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AJAYEB (IRE) F.PS. 3 A.
AL ADAID M.PS. 3 A.
ALHADAB M.PS. 3 A.
ALJEZEERA GB F.PS. 4 A.
ALOUNAK M.PS. 3 A.
AMEDEO MODIGLIANI IRE M.PS. 3 A.
BALANNJAR M.PS. 3 A.
BANDUA USA M.PS. 3 A.
BARKAA F.PS. 3 A.
BATEEL IRE F.PS. 6 A.
BEAT GENERATION GB M.PS. 3 A.
BENBATL GB M.PS. 4 A.
BEST SOLUTION IRE M.PS. 4 A.
CAPRI IRE M.PS. 4 A.
CASCADIAN GB M.PS. 3 A.
CASTELLAR F.PS. 3 A.
CLIFFS OF MOHER IRE M.PS. 4 A.
CLINCHER JPN M.PS. 4 A.
CLOTH OF STARS IRE M.PS. 5 A.
CRACKSMAN GB M.PS. 4 A.
DEFOE IRE M.PS. 4 A.
DELANO ROOSEVELT IRE M.PS. 3 A.
DSCHINGIS SECRET GER M.PS. 5 A.
ELARQAM GB M.PS. 3 A.
EMPERATOR M.PS. 3 A.
ENABLE GB F.PS. 4 A.
FINCHE GB M.PS. 4 A.
FLAG OF HONOUR IRE M.PS. 3 A.
GENDARME USA M.PS. 3 A.
GHAIYYATH IRE M.PS. 3 A.
HAGGLE GB F.PS. 5 A.
HAPPILY IRE F.PS. 3 A.
HAWKBILL USA M.PS. 5 A.
HISHIKARI USA M.PS. 3 A.
HOMERIQUE USA F.PS. 3 A.
HUNTING HORN IRE M.PS. 3 A.
HUSH WRITER JPN M.PS. 3 A.
HYDRANGEA IRE F.PS. 4 A.
ICE BREEZE GB M.PS. 4 A.
IDAHO IRE M.PS. 5 A.
ISPOLINI GB M.PS. 3 A.
KENYA IRE M.PS. 3 A.
KEW GARDENS IRE M.PS. 3 A.
KISEKI JPN M.PS. 4 A.
KITESURF GB F.PS. 4 A.
LADY ATHENA F.PS. 3 A.
LAH TI DAR GB F.PS. 3 A.
LAURENS F.PS. 3 A.
LOUIS D'OR (IRE) M.PS. 3 A.
LUCKY LILAC JPN F.PS. 3 A.
LUMINATE IRE F.PS. 3 A.
MAGICAL IRE F.PS. 3 A.
MALKOBOY M.PS. 4 A.
MASAR IRE M.PS. 3 A.
MATCHWINNER GER M.PS. 7 A.
MIND MAPPING USA M.PS. 3 A.
MOVE UP GB M.PS. 5 A.
MUSIS AMICA IRE F.PS. 3 A.
NATURALLY HIGH M.PS. 3 A.
NEAR GOLD GB M.PS. 3 A.
NELSON IRE M.PS. 3 A.
NEUFBOSC M.PS. 3 A.
OLD PERSIAN GB M.PS. 3 A.
OLMEDO M.PS. 3 A.
ORDER OF ST GEORGE IRE M.PS. 6 A.
PATASCOY M.PS. 3 A.
PHARRELL M.PS. 3 A.
POLLARA IRE F.PS. 3 A.
RABDAN (GB) M.PS. 3 A.
RAYMOND TUSK IRE M.PS. 3 A.
RED VERDON USA M.PS. 5 A.
ROARING LION USA M.PS. 3 A.
ROSTROPOVICH IRE M.PS. 3 A.
SALOUEN IRE M.PS. 4 A.
SATONO WALKURE JPN F.PS. 3 A.
SAXON WARRIOR JPN M.PS. 3 A.
SEPTEMBER IRE F.PS. 3 A.
SEVENNA STAR IRE M.PS. 3 A.
SHAHNAZA F.PS. 3 A.
SOLESILI (GB) M.PS. 3 A.
SOUSTRACTION (IRE) F.PS. 3 A.
STRADIVARIUS IRE M.PS. 4 A.
STUDY OF MAN IRE M.PS. 3 A.
TALISMANIC GB M.PS. 5 A.
THE PENTAGON IRE M.PS. 3 A.
THUNDER SNOW IRE M.PS. 4 A.
TIBERIAN M.PS. 6 A.
WALDGEIST GB M.PS. 4 A.
WAY TO PARIS GB M.PS. 5 A.
WILD ILLUSION GB F.PS. 3 A.
WINDSTOSS GER M.PS. 4 A.
WITH YOU GB F.PS. 3 A.
WOOTTON M.PS. 3 A.
ZARKAMIYA F.PS. 3 A.
ZUCCHINI GB M.PS. 3 A.
AJAYEB (IRE) F.PS. 3 A.
AL ADAID M.PS. 3 A.
ALHADAB M.PS. 3 A.
ALJEZEERA GB F.PS. 4 A.
ALOUNAK M.PS. 3 A.
AMEDEO MODIGLIANI IRE M.PS. 3 A.
BALANNJAR M.PS. 3 A.
BANDUA USA M.PS. 3 A.
BARKAA F.PS. 3 A.
BATEEL IRE F.PS. 6 A.
BEAT GENERATION GB M.PS. 3 A.
BENBATL GB M.PS. 4 A.
BEST SOLUTION IRE M.PS. 4 A.
CAPRI IRE M.PS. 4 A.
CASCADIAN GB M.PS. 3 A.
CASTELLAR F.PS. 3 A.
CLIFFS OF MOHER IRE M.PS. 4 A.
CLINCHER JPN M.PS. 4 A.
CLOTH OF STARS IRE M.PS. 5 A.
CRACKSMAN GB M.PS. 4 A.
DEFOE IRE M.PS. 4 A.
DELANO ROOSEVELT IRE M.PS. 3 A.
DSCHINGIS SECRET GER M.PS. 5 A.
ELARQAM GB M.PS. 3 A.
EMPERATOR M.PS. 3 A.
ENABLE GB F.PS. 4 A.
FINCHE GB M.PS. 4 A.
FLAG OF HONOUR IRE M.PS. 3 A.
GENDARME USA M.PS. 3 A.
GHAIYYATH IRE M.PS. 3 A.
HAGGLE GB F.PS. 5 A.
HAPPILY IRE F.PS. 3 A.
HAWKBILL USA M.PS. 5 A.
HISHIKARI USA M.PS. 3 A.
HOMERIQUE USA F.PS. 3 A.
HUNTING HORN IRE M.PS. 3 A.
HUSH WRITER JPN M.PS. 3 A.
HYDRANGEA IRE F.PS. 4 A.
ICE BREEZE GB M.PS. 4 A.
IDAHO IRE M.PS. 5 A.
ISPOLINI GB M.PS. 3 A.
KENYA IRE M.PS. 3 A.
KEW GARDENS IRE M.PS. 3 A.
KISEKI JPN M.PS. 4 A.
KITESURF GB F.PS. 4 A.
LADY ATHENA F.PS. 3 A.
LAH TI DAR GB F.PS. 3 A.
LAURENS F.PS. 3 A.
LOUIS D'OR (IRE) M.PS. 3 A.
LUCKY LILAC JPN F.PS. 3 A.
LUMINATE IRE F.PS. 3 A.
MAGICAL IRE F.PS. 3 A.
MALKOBOY M.PS. 4 A.
MASAR IRE M.PS. 3 A.
MATCHWINNER GER M.PS. 7 A.
MIND MAPPING USA M.PS. 3 A.
MOVE UP GB M.PS. 5 A.
MUSIS AMICA IRE F.PS. 3 A.
NATURALLY HIGH M.PS. 3 A.
NEAR GOLD GB M.PS. 3 A.
NELSON IRE M.PS. 3 A.
NEUFBOSC M.PS. 3 A.
OLD PERSIAN GB M.PS. 3 A.
OLMEDO M.PS. 3 A.
ORDER OF ST GEORGE IRE M.PS. 6 A.
PATASCOY M.PS. 3 A.
PHARRELL M.PS. 3 A.
POLLARA IRE F.PS. 3 A.
RABDAN (GB) M.PS. 3 A.
RAYMOND TUSK IRE M.PS. 3 A.
RED VERDON USA M.PS. 5 A.
ROARING LION USA M.PS. 3 A.
ROSTROPOVICH IRE M.PS. 3 A.
SALOUEN IRE M.PS. 4 A.
SATONO WALKURE JPN F.PS. 3 A.
SAXON WARRIOR JPN M.PS. 3 A.
SEPTEMBER IRE F.PS. 3 A.
SEVENNA STAR IRE M.PS. 3 A.
SHAHNAZA F.PS. 3 A.
SOLESILI (GB) M.PS. 3 A.
SOUSTRACTION (IRE) F.PS. 3 A.
STRADIVARIUS IRE M.PS. 4 A.
STUDY OF MAN IRE M.PS. 3 A.
TALISMANIC GB M.PS. 5 A.
THE PENTAGON IRE M.PS. 3 A.
THUNDER SNOW IRE M.PS. 4 A.
TIBERIAN M.PS. 6 A.
WALDGEIST GB M.PS. 4 A.
WAY TO PARIS GB M.PS. 5 A.
WILD ILLUSION GB F.PS. 3 A.
WINDSTOSS GER M.PS. 4 A.
WITH YOU GB F.PS. 3 A.
WOOTTON M.PS. 3 A.
ZARKAMIYA F.PS. 3 A.
ZUCCHINI GB M.PS. 3 A.
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Always have to consider the 3-y-o fillies first.
Any caught your eye HM? |
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I'll be having September for a couple of pounds anyway.
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Didn't sound like great news re September tother day Pete? Doesn't help clear the waters for me though
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Nah. I'd be looking for something more positive than that. Luckily none of the books had a price up anyway :)
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September at 80 here is worth a punt (no more), and one can be guaranteed she'll be fit (if sound) having not seen a racecourse so far this season. To me she's the only 3yr old filly with the best credential to stay 12f - I believe AOB thinks so hence Oaks as the target after missing the 1000g. But she'll need to run either in the Irish or Yorkshire Oaks prior. If so, I'd expect a major tumble in her price for this race.
Minding was an exceptional and tough filly nevertheless, was over campaigned and never seen a racecourse again post an injury after an exhausting couple of seasons. Let's hope September could go some way to emulating Minding and have a longer racing career similar to Found who won this race in 2016. |
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She was one of the smallest horses you're ever likely to see in a Royal Ascot winner's enclosure. Think we'd need some sort of clue she's trained on before backing her ante-post for anything. So that, coupled with her 'slow' start to the year, is an amber light for me sadly.
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With the injury to Enable, would have to be Cracksman at this juncture. Would have lumped on at 4/1 with B*yles but as so often on Oddschecker, it's a red herring so no bet yet
Sunday October 7th is a long way off really anyway |
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Don't know about the plans and well-being of him but had loose change 140.0 Order Of St George and 45/1 each-way
Early I know, but not going to lose any sleep if ive blown coppers |
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Let's hope September could go some way to emulating Minding
Impossible, good luck with that, but no chance. She's decent, but no where near Minding, and at least 10lb behind her. |
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I understand September has achieved significantly less than Minding, but the fillies that year were a mediocre lot too, if memory serves. Found managed to win the Arc in a sub-standard renewal, and Minding was beaten - I did not think she stayed a truly run Gp 1 12f race. It was a great shame Minding sustained an injury and not seen again on the racecourse - she did have an exhausting season though.
Found ought to have won the Fillies Mile at Newmarket, and very possibly the race in America when 2nd to Wuheida after traffic problem. It was unfortunate she could not be ready for the 1000G given her ideal ground, and now misses the Oaks too. I hope she runs soon - Ireland or here. Hopefully, she'll make up for lost time. |
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Strange that Stoute didn't enter Crystal Ocean - possible to be supplemented or target Champion Stakes instead?
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Cloth Of Stars appears to have been a non trier every run this season - always held up in a small field and stays on all too late. He was 2nd to a peak form Enable last year and like Youmzain and Flintshire he might be one of those horses who only really shows his worth when he gets a big field.
I’m chipping away at him at anything over 100/1.  |
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DSCHINGIS SECRET ran well at the weekend. One to note.
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I have backed Kew Gardens in the hope that he obliges at Ascot .
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Cracksman should be in the portfolio . Much of his form can be crabbed but not the Prince of Wales run . To run up to arguably the best middle distance horse in Europe on ground that he doesn't like was a great effort . And , don't forget that Cracksman only really found his form in the Voltigeur , in late August .
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Granted she returns at her best, or poss even better, I'd expect Enable to win her 2nd Arc.
Backed her at 6/1 for a few £££, & a smaller interest for The Juddmonte at the same price, granted some ease in the ground she could win that on her return (if racing again?) Fingers X. |
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Enable - out injured for best part of a year with no sign of an imminent return...will no longer be getting a three year old allowance. Why is it still favourite?
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Because she was a superstar last year and there doesn't appear to be any superstars this year? Without the injury she'd be 2/1 max imo.
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The "vibes" on her are positive, & they are looking to have her ready to run at York, hopefully the Juddmonte, with a bit of juice in the ground would be ideal. Hope so, had a couple of small interests on her for that: 6/1 & 10.0 on here.
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12f horse won't win the Juddmonte - especially first time out
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Doesn't sound like that's the plan anyway?? But granted some ease in the ground, I've no doubt she could if A1, she's not short of pace, or class.
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6/7 weeks out - here we go again !
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Arc Trials Day
Niel ROYAL YOUMZAIN M.PS. 3 A. AL MALHOUF GB M.PS. 3 A. NEUFBOSC M.PS. 3 A. KEW GARDENS IRE M.PS. 3 A. THE PENTAGON IRE M.PS. 3 A. NATURALLY HIGH M.PS. 3 A. STUDY OF MAN IRE M.PS. 3 A. Zabriskie Ire M.Ps. 3 A. Louis D'or (Ire) M.Ps. 3 A. SEVENNA STAR IRE M.PS. 3 A. LOXLEY IRE M.PS. 3 A. OLD PERSIAN GB M.PS. 3 A. ZAMAN GB M.PS. 3 A. GYLLEN USA M.PS. 3 A. ASTRONOMER IRE M.PS. 3 a. YOUNG RASCAL M.PS. 3 A. FLAG OF HONOUR IRE M.PS. 3 A. HUNTING HORN IRE M.PS. 3 A. NELSON IRE M.PS. 3 A. SOUTHERN FRANCE IRE M.PS. 3 A. ROSTROPOVICH IRE M.PS. 3 A. MUSIS AMICA IRE F.PS. 3 A. Foy FINCHE GB M.PS. 4 A. DEFOE IRE M.PS. 4 A. CAPRI IRE M.PS. 4 A. WAY TO PARIS GB M.PS. 5 A. WALDGEIST GB M.PS. 4 A. CLOTH OF STARS IRE M.PS. 5 A. TALISMANIC GB M.PS. 5 A. CNICHT M.PS. 4 a. IDAHO IRE M.PS. 5 A. CLINCHER JPN M.PS. 4 A. CRACKSMAN GB M.PS. 4 A. DSCHINGIS SECRET GER M.PS. 5 A. CRYSTAL OCEAN GB M.PS. 4 A. Vermeille ENABLE GB F.PS. 4 A. EZIYRA IRE F.PS. 4 A. BATEEL IRE F.PS. 6 A. BEBE D'AMOUR F.PS. 4 A. HORSEPLAY GB F.PS. 4 A. HYDRANGEA IRE F.PS. 4 A. KITESURF GB F.PS. 4 A. TURRET ROCKS IRE F.PS. 5 A. RHODODENDRON IRE F.PS. 4 A. SON MACIA GER F.PS. 5 A. LISTEN IN IRE F.PS. 4 A. ZARKAMIYA F.PS. 3 A. WORTH WAITING GB F.PS. 3 A. CIMEARA IRE F.PS. 3 A. PILASTER GB F.PS. 3 A. ATHENA IRE F.PS. 3 A. MAGICAL IRE F.PS. 3 A. LAURENS F.PS. 3 A. CASTELLAR F.PS. 3 A. MUSIS AMICA IRE F.PS. 3 A. LAH TI DAR GB F.PS. 3 A. BYE BYE BABY IRE F.PS. 3 A. FOREVER TOGETHER IRE F.PS. 3 A. MONDAINE GER F.PS. 3 a. WELL TIMED GER F.PS. 3 A. SEA OF CLASS IRE F.PS. 3 A. MAGIC WAND (IRE) F.PS. 3 A. Fuse F.Ps. 3 A. |
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i just got interested in the arc . i like sea of class , but , to see her as favourite at 4-1 , well if you look at forever together beaten by 4yo urban fox whoms record is now 19-4 .shes no value , though i do like her coming on profile . i also like the horses whom are prepped with a summer break generally so study of man and patascoy . interestingly patascoy flipped the form with study of man when knight to behold was well placed to pick up a big pot knowing the frenchies were re-booting their season . then theirs the champion enable whom has all the class , but , is gonna need to get her feet wet soon as you wont win a arc fto will you ? lots of angles then , great ! after looking i feel i know the field a bit better and look forward to others opinions
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p/wise put up loxley e/w at 25/1 today.
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I don't think either filly is good enough to win an average Arc but this year's could be below average on what we've seen so far. Of the two I'd prefer Lah Ti Dar. The market reaction to the Sea Of Class win has been well over the top. With Magic Wand and even Laurens failing to run to form she had nothing to beat on wfa terms. For me Lah Ti Dar's win was slightly better than anything Sea Of Class has done to date, even though the former has so far only won a Listed race and the latter has bagged two Gp1s.
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* won a couple of Listed races.
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i,m gonna rule out sea of class as theirs bound to be juice in the ground and i dont think you can go from g/f over almost every run then expect her to produce the same on a certainly softer surface . she doesnt look a powerful filly and you need power to get through juice . shes a weak favourite , great theirs a juicy morsel to discover
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enable , i see her running regardless as even if she bombs gosden will hope it brings her on for the breeders cup , vibes regarding her wellbeing will be very important . i cant have cracksman , if hes gonna put in a world class performance it will be in the champion stakes imo . crystal ocean was primed for the king george and got beat by a horse whom roaring lion thrashed so he can hit the bin . lah ti dar doesnt have the experience or strength imo so another struck out
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poets word needs g/f and has been shown as a weak king george winner so he can go . roaring lion has the best form and will handle juice , will like a flat track and may have strengthened up enough over the season to stay 1m 4f in france given the style of their racing . dangers are a fast run race , will he even run or has he gone over the top ? study of man and patascoy albeit off a break were thrashed by knight to behold who was off a break himself , but , has proved to only be a supporting cast in the uk . suggesting the french form is very weak .
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i am not a one man horse . but , here i go again roaring lion to win the arc . best of luck .
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doesnt look like hes intended at the moment . imo he wins if he runs .
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sorry vice versa if he runs he wins
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gpz6316,
I'm not suggesting Sea Of Class is going to win the Arc, but she's every right to be favourite. Soft going will not be an issue at all, she ran on good to soft on debut. Not only that, the sire, dam and dam/sire all raced and won on soft/heavy. She's got an engine and a good turn of foot. WFA/filly allowance is a massive advantage late in the year and fillies have a good record in the race. |
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Roaring Lion will not even run
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hed also be superb around a tight breeders cup track , imo that would be stretching the elastic too far . i have viewed northern dancer footage and i think this horse will prove something special in the breeding industry . just like when someone saw elvis . you know
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andrew plans change
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andrew sit on a rowing machine then ramp up the torsion , you can equate that to heavier going . a slight individual will outpace a heavy set sort when theres no resistance . when the restiance is high its power thats gets thruogh it faster over speed
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