ya i just think acey is being nostalgic , i,ve no problem with you or acey . sometimes you do speak the obvious i123 from his point of view which he has highlighted . i remember other threads like the 2016 derby by rabbiting on we got to harzand . acey is in the wrong, you never knock back enthusiasm . i talked a load of the proverbial many times . im with you i 123 ,acey needs to lighten up , he,s too busy thinking about whats gone ,at times a lament we  all have . move on

I remember Harzand; Harzand winning the 2016 Epsom Derby was a good result, but it nearly did not happen given the last minute scare. I'd have put it down to experience and bad luck had his trainer withdrawn him. That is the beauty of horse racing and betting - he won when I'd not expected him to run; Dancing Brave was the exact opposite. Another was Summerville Boy who'd beaten Kalashnikov twice in competitive races they'd met; Kalashnikov won the 'betfair' without Summerville Boy.

I think horse racing/betting is unlike most sports/betting,...it can be rewarding...and also costly and humbling. Thus, I never take it too seriously - it is only a game even though I'm an ardent supporter and follower. As it involves many imponderables I'd treat it clinically and seldom with emotion but observation and plain facts.

Now back to this race. I tend to agree with you the betting could be indicating Saxon Warrior (SW) might be a non-runner (11 here but was as large as 15 yesterday). However, I hope he turns up as I do have him and GK antepost; the price of GK is short and so are Elarqam and Masar - beaten by the two AOB fillies Happily and September last season. But SW is value, I believe, if he shows up - he has good form. Whether Moore rides or not does not bother me the slightest. I'm hoping for a creditable run from both my selections.

Without Parole shortened back in,I had a word that this might be Gosdens guineas horse after trotting up at Newcastle,mmay be ground sensitive. Should have topped up after its price drifted.

After a few days of uneasiness Saxon Warrior has come in for significant support; he's into 5 (here) from 8, and as a consequence Gustav Klimt is out to 4.4 from 3.9 now.

Moore is jetting back to ride Happily on sunday; someone is keen!

Same here, mighty relieved my 2nd 'string' produced the goods.

A very good performance by Saxon Warrior (SW) to win 1st time out and hitting the front earlier than connections would have liked, I believe; the Epsom Derby is just up his street, and the market is reflecting that - 'evens' now. I hope he turns up as I have a small bet at 25/1 double for the Epsom Derby. A better prospect than Australia, I think.

Still a good result for me nevertheless, as I helped myself to some 15, 13 and 10 here.

I hope to see Saxon Warrior in the Juddmonte over 10f against Cracksman/Enable (if he does not win the Derby) otherwise the Triple Crown could be his target. I do agree those behind him in this race do not add up to an above average crop of 3yr old milers. Now, one can safely deduce the performance of Masar in the Craven had style but little substance.

when a horse is soo suited to a race im flabbergasted gosden isnt running him . i know hes not now the best 3yo but the derby is perfect for him

if rl did win then he would regress and be a disappointing winner . they do say horses for courses , however , and he will run well imo . racingpost 2nd and a good run in the guineas so i,m baffled myself why you think ss or wp are more talented . your wrong . they are fresh , yes , but , not better

Stick to the LFC thread Charwell - at least when you get it totally wrong on there you have lots of fellow muppets to back you up.