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08 Apr 17
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I like Promise To Be True despite not winning a 1000G trial at Leopardstown today; she ran a very good race in France last season to be 2nd when still babyish. I think 12f could bring out the best in her, and at 25/1 she could provide a decent return.
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Given how well she ran in the Boussac I'd have thought the Prix Diane (Frenck Oaks) over 10f might be target.
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saw a nice prospect last night for Godolphin...out in Keeneland no less...Lido (street cry x cocoa beach). broke her maiden tag on her 2nd start stepping up to 9 furlongs on the turf.
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Coronet is extremely short (10/1) for this race. She is Gosden trained of good pedigree however, her form does not amount to much in comparison to others (yet).
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Maybe I have a soft spot for Promise To Be True despite I have only backed her once (in France); she reminds me of Diminuendo who finished 3rd in the 1000G but won this race a month later.
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Impossible - i think the Irish 1000g is 6 days before the Oaks this time around. I know Aidan is very useful at having them right, but do you think that's enough time ?
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Minding did last season, but I think Rhododendron will not take in the Irish 1000G but head to the Oaks probably without a trial prior. If Winter is absent, Rhododendron could deputise, and I'm hoping these two fillies would clash again in the near future eg Coronation Stakes, as I think Rhododendron can extract a revenge, all things being equal.
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I was thinking more of PTBT. If she goes to Irish 1000g, then it leaves little time to go for the Oaks. I think there was a 13 day gap last year. This time it's about 6.
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PTBT has an engagement in the French 1000G - she is 12/1 - and was 2nd to Wuheida (4/1) in the Boussac last season. I think she is being prepared for the Oaks (either one or both); she could go for a trial in Ireland or England, I think.
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Enable @ 10/1 looks fair to me. Might not have the class of Rhododendron but guaranteed to stay and certainly should be hard to keep out of the frame.
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It's a pitty they don't send 2 to the same race. Quite a few owners have did it.
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Flats can be very frustrating. This season it's difficult to know what's going to turn up, let alone win. Then you look at the bloody cash out button with even more uncertainty. I like PTBT and shutterspeed, and neither of them could turn up. I'd lose enough.
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I'm disappointed PTBT was not amongst those declared for the English or French 1000G esp the latter with Dabyan out - she ran extremely well in the Marcel Boussac last season; I hope she is ok, goes for an Oaks trial in the near future and turns up here (eventually). Thus have little option but stocked up on Rhododendron for this race.
I backed several in the Grand National with Bet123, and apart from one the rest drifted out so I cashed out with this bookie for 10% less on those bets. |
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great dosage, unclepuncle
http://www.pedigreequery.com/enable2 |
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Ahh what the heck. I went back in again on shutterspeed. She was 12.5/1 and 12/1. To me that's a bit of a over reaction to yesterdays events. A horse that wins well at 10f can win a 12f around epsom. She's going to the musidora after all. I'm not entirely convinced that they will take on a host of o'brien horses with just enable. Infact if there was ever a time to send 2 to the oaks, it could be this renewal. Obviously the indications are that i shouldn't back her, but she's doubled in price so....
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I believe Shutter Speed is down for the Musidora at York next week. If she wins that going away she'd compete with Rhododendron for favouritism, I'd imagine.
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French Oaks for Shutter Speed i think,Enable for English Oaks...On breeding too!
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We will find out soon enough Jedi. I just hope the jockey says what is right for the owners, and not himself. I think she would stay around epsom on good ground. Let's see what she has soon.
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Looked a stayer to me Graeme,but doubts on pedigree!Connections probably split them and may win both Classics!
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shutter speed very weak on here layers at 15 so maybe doubtful now
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Latest comments indicate she'll be sticking to 10f. Ouch. Not my finest hour. I thought i was being smart as the trainer said she's a 10f horse...just like Cracksman and Golden Horn
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Any news about Promise To Be True, anyone? She was scratched from the English and French Guineas. I hope she runs soon and/or go for this race.
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^ Irish Guineas (28th May) and then French Oaks (18th June) would be my guess.
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sobetsu trainer says staying in france yet its being backed on here at 33 to 40 quite often very strange
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If Sobetsu needs soft ground her backers may well be looking at the 14 day weather forecast. Currently 12mm forecast on Monday 29th and 19mm on Tuesday 30th- dry Wednesday
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Just to further confirm my stupidity to all, i've put Shutterspeed in a small accy. I'd rather smile whilst i sink , as opposed to drowning with no witnesses.
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Gosden and Dettori reiterated the Prix Diane yet backers here - I'm astounded.
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Why astounded i123? Dettori just said on RUK that she was finished very tired over 10F. Absolutely no chance of her getting 12F round Epsom imo.
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Jb23...that was why I was astounded there were backers for Shutter Speed (SS) at 16 -> 40 here for several minutes post race despite Gosden and Dettori's reiterations SS would be Prix Diane (France) bound.
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Apologies! I read that as you being astounded by the decision. My error!
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More astounding was the geezer on tv with some association to Betfair, didn't have a clue.
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Why is the AP market suspended?
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johnny its a forfeit stage yesterday usually open again by dinnertime
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Thanks sinfin
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PTBT is out (apparently) but some bookies are still betting on her; Rhododendron and Winter are still in.
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Unlike last year when I picked Minding fairly early PTBT had not been a wise move from me; Rhododendron in doubles and accas at 5/2 since 1000G is the best I can do. Otherwise, a race to forget, betting wise.
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I told you last year on the 1000 Guineas thread that Rhododendron was more likely to be their Oaks filly on breeding.
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I did not expect PTBT to be scratched here after running so well in France last season; she could be unsound as not even turned up for the 1000G, and then the French equivalent and now here something must be amiss, I'd think. Unlike last year it was pretty straight forward between Minding and Ballydoyle (good/fast ground), but at least the latter showed in the 1000G. C'est la vie!
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Not as confident in Rhodo as I was in Minding last year. Think the 2 Gosden fillies could give her a race.
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Same here. I was confident of Rhodo in the 1000G, and PTBT here, but Rhodo did not get the necessary assistance there. If PTBT was to run here I'd back her to beat Rhodo; the two Gosden's inmates will definitely give Rhodo a run for her money, I firmly believe.
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