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HK INTL RACES 2015
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Quiz question - what do Free Eagle and Designs on Rome have in common ?
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Both bred by Moyglare Stud!
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Are the signs positive for Flintshire to defend his crown as he's not quoted in the Japan Cup betting? Also I see AF is now 6-4 with B365, if you want to back him I'd suggest back him in the UK as he's highly unlikely to be odds against on HKJC (I hope anyway).
Still can't believe Blazing Speed is 12-1 for the Cup as I think his form to be better than those local horses quoted ahead of him at the moment, but what do I know!!! |
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Think the AP Cup back in April is also a good guide, BS is very underrated and 12-1 ew is great value, he's beaten all of those ahead of him in the betting over CD and set weights.
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Flintshire's connections said he was on target for the HK Vase a couple of weeks ago. Erupt is the only French runner in the Japan Cup and settled in well from what I've read.
Agree HK, Blazing Speed is the value bet at the moment. Looks like they've prepped him better this time as well compared to last year. |
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Last year BS was fancied strongly but he went wrong in the race and was lame the next day, he went off at 6-1, he's had one less run this year and I'm convinced he's better this year, we're getting a better price because he's not from one of the fashionable stables, he goes very well for Callan too.....looks like I've convinced myself on my Cup bet!!
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Free Eagle in the HK Cup, bookies couldn't have got this more wrong! This race is looking like it's going to be a cracker.
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http://www.hkjc.com/english/corporate/racing_news_item.asp?in_file=/english/news/2015-11/news_2015112501030.html
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All 4 look good and much stronger than last year
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Yep, a lot stronger HK.
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May have to re-evaluate my blazing speed selection!!
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The Cup looks very competitive, a few Japanese runners as well.
Cannot believe the current price of Maurice (2-1), it was a solid win last Sunday in the Champions Mile but nothing special. I don't think the Japanese milers are that good a bunch. Maybe it's the Ryan Moore factor! |
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It was a solid win!
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Backed Free Eagle at 14-1 EW with B365... too big a price IMO!
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Morning chaps. Hope you are both well. Fantastic thread as ever, and have thoroughly enjoyed reading it, so thanks for all the insight. Cant believe I got 6/4 Able Friend yesterday
 Willing to forgive him the one bad run and the horse owes me nothing. Just wish I was going again this year, one of my favourite days racing ever! Will either of you be there? |
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Cheers CCM, all good here. House move earlier this year scuppered any chance of going... I will get there one day!!!.
I kept looking at that Able Friend's price yesterday, some funny odds at B365. Maurice was evens favourite yesterday with them!!! Able Friend beat Fiero by nearly 6 lengths last year, Maurice was just over a length in front of Fiero Sunday (Champions Mile). I know which one I would be backing at those prices and it's not Maurice. |
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Wish I'd seen that 14/1 Mr Dinos.
 Only 7/1 now with B365, though that is still way bigger than the other bookies. |
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Great shout on Free Eagle lads... followed you in at 14/1... as low as 3/1 with Paddy!!!
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I had a spot of luck with that bet Uncle!
Funny how our bookies have completely different views when it comes to these international meetings. |
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Hello CCM - I will be there as usual, table booked already!! Best days racing value in the world! Equivalent of 70 quid all in dinner and booze in a box!! Great price on AF at 6-4 too....I may be opposing him though. Looking forward to the day and more discussion - always a good thread for discussion this one with you guys a very good source of insight
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Maybe one year we'll have a this thread outing to the meeting itself!
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Well we've decided we are definitely coming again next year so see you there! Absolutely gutted looking at the form and the trial knowing we wont be there this time :( Agree about the value, we literally couldnt believe it. Great setting as well. Which restaurant are you in?
Cant believe you could take on AF... now im worried! |
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Well done on the quiz Mr Dinos. 6/1 the field in the Cup testifies to a massive difference in opinion between odds compilers in different firms but 14/1 Free Eagle was sensational value and he is still great value at 6s
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I am still on Blazing Speed out of the home team and have taken him at 12-1 ew Free Eagle is the one that worries me but with travel, climate, ground etc I'm willing to take a home horse at double the odds, especially one who has the beating of DOR and MA over course and distance this year.
CCM - I am loathed to take AF on but I think it can't be coincidence that the 2 times he's faced top class opposition he's come up short, I know both times were at the end of a season but I think a massive horse like him running on G/GF ground all the time will take its toll eventually, I may be talking myself into looking a fool come race day but I'm not convinced. There are arguments the other way too, his first run this year was exceptional and he did run sub 22 last run - perhaps we can blame the pilot (sacrilege I know to throw dirt at the magic man but some have been doing so in HK), I will wait until nearer the time to see the draw and how the o/seas runners turn out once they arrive. I'm sure your 6-4 will beat the HKJC odds though! The sprint I can' see Gold Fun being beaten provided he draws well, if not Straight Girl ew is a good bet as she ran wide all the way last year and still finished 3rd. The Vase needs some more thought! |
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Viz Free Eagle , what sort of money did they lay to 14/1 ?
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may be of interest
http://www.hkjc.com/english/corporate/racing_news_item.asp?in_file=/english/news/2015-11/news_2015112501936.html |
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Interesting stuff HK , always thought the horses travelled by cargo freight , never really crossed my mind that the plane I was travelled in as a passenger might have a famous racehorse in the hold !
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travelling
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I still can't fathom how Free Eagle was 14-1 with B365 yesterday but I think it might be to do with the Aussie punters backing horses they are more familiar with, like the Japanese. The Aussies seem to have influenced B365 international race prices a lot over the last few years, there have been some massive price differences between them and other bookies. Sunday's Japan Cup prices on Oddschecker shows how shorter they are on Japanese runners than other bookies. I might be completely wrong but it's just a thought... I'm not complaining getting 14-1 on Free Eagle, I just hope he gets to Hong Kong now!
 It wasn't a big EW bet on Free Eagle Stellar. I'm pretty reserved now when it comes to my ante post betting after having my fingers burnt a few times in the past. I think your spot on regarding Blazing Speed HK, great value at the moment and if I was backing one of the home team he would be the one. I was going to back him as well but I couldn't desert Staphanos, he's ran a couple of crackers for me at big prices this year and the 16-1 PP are offering was too tempting, so I've added him EW in the HK Cup. Happy with the prices I've got but there is still plenty of time for it to go down the gurgler! |
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Staphsnos beaten 2l by BS in April over CD - I did back both that day (aftertiming) but I didn't do the quin!! Perhaps history will repeat Mr D.
Looking at the vase I can't now get away from Flintshire, he is the class in the race but I so want to back the Helene horses at 25's as I think one or both will be shorter on the day, Dominant at 14's is also fairly tempting but will it be just chucking money away that could all just go on Flintshire to win |
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Free Eagle preferred to run in the Cup so as to avoid Flintshire in the Vase whereas Highland Reel was keen to avoid Free Eagle and goes in the Vase accordingly !
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Vase - I'm leaning towards Helene Happy Star ew (big price difference in UK from 8-1 to 33-1). There's not much between the 2 and Dominant but I'm not too sure what happened to H Super Star last time, he was slightly heavier than when he has won before so maybe he's not completely fit but Cruz horses are in good form so that's the worry for me on that front. Dominant could prove to be the best home based horse but he is a 7yo vs a 4yo in HHS and Dominant is only 20-1 best price and they are all rated the same in HK. I will take Flintshire win and HHS ew.
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A perfect example of the huge price difference between B365 and other UK bookies HK. 33-1 is huge and did stand out when I looked at the betting for the Vase. I backed HHS in the AP Cup (10f) along with Staphanos (posted) and he didn't run a bad race, 12f is a better trip for him and I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit a place. Flintshire will be hard to beat, track and ground conditions are perfect for him, just like we posted last year!
 Had a look at the HK Sprint and one at a biggish price I like the look of is Mikke Isle (16-1). He ran Aerovelocity close (1/2 length) at Chukyo (G1) earlier this year and wasn't far behind Straight Girl in the Sprinter Stakes... he was drawn wide in both. His achilles heel is he pulls very hard and in his last few races it's cost him. If he could settle better I'm sure he his capable of running a big race, with a couple of Yanks in the HK Sprint the pace could be hot which might help him out!! |
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Mikki Isle!
Mongolian Saturday is the Yank which would more likely set a good pace in the HK Sprint IMO but you never know in these races. As HK as posted, the draw will make a big difference as well. |
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I've had a very speculative ew L15 Blazing Speed (12), HHS (25), Esoterique (10) and Straight Girl (11-2)......with a win double and singles of Flintshire and Gold Fun at 5-2 and 9-4 as I think both will be shorter on the day. I will wait until the draw until I decide on whether to have a proper bet on Gold Fun, and may do a win treble on AF (make you happier CCM?), Gold Fun and Flintshire once the draws are done.
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Interesting what Tony Cruz said about being short of work
http://campaign.hkjc.com/en/2015-hkir/hkir-blogger.aspx?in_file=hkir_blog_2015112701028_blogger5.html&b_cid=CSLDSPE_1516HKIR_INDEX_LNU |
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Erupt, Trip To Paris and Ito all scratched from the Vase after poor runs in the Japan Cup.
Shonan Pandora and Lovely Day boosted the Tenno Sho form yesterday finishing 1st and 3rd in Japan Cup. Positive for Staphanos?! |
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Which is also a huge positive for Blazing Speed.......
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Staphanos has improved a ton since his AP Cup 2nd!
 Being serious, it's a very open race IMO, a stronger pace than the AP Cup would help Staphanos but would also help a few others as well including BS. Hopefully it will not be one of those start, stop muddling pace races! |
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I hope you're not right Mr D, no Same World this year, but the only one I could think could set a pace is Dan Excel, and if T Berry rides him he could dictate the pace and mess it up, he also has a good kick as he showed in the Singapore Cup this year so could steal it and he has run from the front before, he takes a bit of work to get fit and it'll be interesting to see what weight he is on the day as he's had 3 runs so far and is a lot heavier than the end of last season, he could have other targets for later in the season in which case I hope he sets a pace......I've seen worse 100-1 shots though, as he is with 888 & 32.
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