HK INTL RACES 2015

Looking forward to this thread - you two offer some of the best analysis on the forum imo.

Free entries closed today so we should see soon who is in

Signing in!

Chawuataquataqua certainly top of my list. Unfortunately Able Friend will be no kind of price in the mile.

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I don't recall seeing them on here in the past Madhu. Joe Koral are usually one of the first to price up.

I don't think they are allowed to take bets on it - not on the exchange anyway?

Think you'll see an AP market up mid to late Nov.

Agree Mr D - I'm doing a bit on the HK Sprinters to rank them, I have Gold Fun ahead at the moment as Aerovelocity had irregular heart beat and bled in the AF race and I'm not wholly convinced Peniaphobia is at the top of his game this season (yet). I wish they'd let Packing Pins go for the sprint as he's in the Mile but needs to go up a few points to get a nomination and there's nothing in the entries to worry AF.

I agree re HK sprinters this year, suppose it depends on what happens on 21st Nov and if Peniaphobia can get up a notch. Hoping the Aussies turn up but they haven't in the past few years so we shall see. Need to do some work on the Japan entries, Straight Girl looks fairly decent.

Ante post prices now available with Paddy Power , some of their fields are definitely speculative in nature

Chataqua just touched off today

Still siding with Gold Fun, but as we know the draw is the important factor (Lord K aside)

Flintshire earmarked for Japan , not easy to go on to HK and double up given quarantine constraints interfering with foreign raiders training regime so remains to be seen if he shows up in HK again. Free Eagle will go to either Japan or HK with the Vase a strong possibility.

Criterion definitely interests me in the cup, think he's a very decent performer and in the absence of evidence from the home team so far, bar military attack, you'd have to think he'll be on the shortlist - will all be a little clearer after 21st Nov.

2 that interest me at the available uk prices for the trial races today (note Sha tin is Saturday this week) - in the sprint not listentome and super jockey - think they'll both run well. Today could also be packing pins big race - not suggesting he'll beat AF but think this is his big target today and he'll be at 100% whereas others are just being fine tuned.

That's a shame about the stream.

Think the final nominations are announced on Weds night at Happy Valley, from yesterday I'd take Blazing Speed from the 2000m race, but I'm not convinced the home players are good enough to beat Criterion if he comes, nice run from MA and showed he still has the battle in him. I did like the runs from both Helene horses as trials for the cup race but Dominant's run also looked ominous and should put him spot on, I still think the Helene horses are better value based on there not being much between them.

I think the sprint is definitely Gold Fun's if he gets a draw, yesterday all day the on pace runners fared best and to come from where he did to win was a very good run, I know most will take Peniaphobia out of the race using a lot of gas up being drawn 11 but Gold Fun was still impressive from missing the break. I agree with L9 too but he was also getting 5lb from the first 2 and I don't think he's quite up to it anymore - will also look at Straight Girl as the one from the overseas runners.

I have had some conversations the past week about AF in the mile, he wasn't suited by the track yesterday but don't think it was JM's best ride either and take it on level weights and he'd have won- I'm also of the opinion that AF, when he's faced top class opposition, has been beaten and it looks like he could be facing better opposition this year so he needs to up his game (there were excuses both times but it is 2 from 2)- I may oppose him as I think the prices on the day for Toormore etc will be too big to resist.

Not long to go now

P.S. Mr D - the horse I have a share in runs next week hopefully, he's coming on nicely apparently and will get a run over hurdles in to see where we are.

Mr D - John Moore said on Friday that AF was near enough at his peak for this run, maybe he was wrong or the track didn't suit, but you'd still expect him to beat that field. JM did give them a massive start, he'll not be able to do that in Dec against better oppisition, perhaps last season and the travel had taken note out of him than was thought. I'm not suggesting he's finished or over inflated, wonder if something just isn't right. A friend had a conversation with someone close to the horse last week and asked if he was up there with the best he's seen - the response was interesting, providing he stays sound he could be. Running on GF ground for almost every run for such a big horse will take its toll.

Mr D - after watching the mile trial again I have to say I was impressed with DOR, he looks like he's coming into form nicely after his operation and wasn't really knocked about too much but made up a lot of ground in the final 200m.

Yep, it was good prep race (speed work) for DOR HK but will this race come too soon for him?! He's flying under the radar a bit, there wasn't much mentioned about him in the media or on Twitter after the race. We both know his record at Sha Tin over 10F is fantastic so he will be another that will be hard to rule out, I just have some doubt whether he will be 100% for the race. I will see what John Moore has to say during the week of the race before I make my mind up... he's 3-1/4-1 2nd favourite over here HK.

I agree with you Stellar, if Free Eagle did run he would be the one to beat but he's not in the betting for the HK Cup on Oddschecker. If you go by that he will not be running in the HK Cup which is very surprising IMO, as posted before I'm still not convinced 12F is what he wants!