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harchibald
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No threads on here so I thought we'd kick this off.

Present View the bookies favourite.

Kings Palace 2nd best.

There's a book up here ...

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/national-hunt/paddy-power-gold-cup/winner

Personal view is that the Pipe horse will run and win. Mark didn't stop him trying with Grands Crus and this fella is a 'natural'.

Saw him in the flesh hose up over fences twice and me and Mrs. Pipe agreed he is simply an amazing horse.

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Report harchibald November 10, 2015 8:22 PM GMT
I'd agree with you - not much hope for KP if he can't win or at the least show in this one ...

Pipe - yes. You see my earlier point on 'expectations management'. I think they were 'burnt' (for want of a better term) about Grands Crus and their experience with that horse, the pressure and expectation on them all and everything. So why not drop it down a notch ? Makes sense to me and from their perspective. Probably quietly confident is the best way to play it ... He knows this, he wasn't exactly upbeat about Great Endeavour's chances but that fellow was trained to the minute, 2nd time around, for this race.

Interesting ...
Report TimmyRiggins November 10, 2015 8:23 PM GMT

Nov 10, 2015 -- 1:46PM, Can't Catch Me wrote:


Can't really understand why Pipe is being so tentative with his comments about the horse. Not a lot of positivity is there? Maybe just trying to lower expectations?


I've only really followed racing for 3/4 years, but has he ever been any different?}

Report Can't Catch Me November 10, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
Maybe so Timmy. But sure I've heard him being bullish about horses, particularly for this meeting, in previous years.
Report wellchief November 10, 2015 8:50 PM GMT
I've got a share in Sound Investment and in Paul Nicholls' latest update yesterday, the plan is still very much to go for the Paddy Power.
Report Can't Catch Me November 10, 2015 8:58 PM GMT
Nice one chief, he's won a few nice pots for you!
Report ReaseHeath November 10, 2015 9:04 PM GMT
Kings Palace saga highlights the pitfalls of ante-post betting to me.

If you're already on at 12/1, well done obviously but you would n't back him now at best price 8/1 whilst there is still a doubt about his participation - albeit a diminishing doubt - especially given the possibility that others in the media latch on to Walsh's comments plus the competitive nature of the Saturday morning markets. I'd say there's every chance that if you wait until Saturday morning you'll be able to back him as a guaranteed runner at a price bigger than 8/1.
Report TimmyRiggins November 10, 2015 9:13 PM GMT

Nov 10, 2015 -- 2:27PM, Can't Catch Me wrote:


Maybe so Timmy. But sure I've heard him being bullish about horses, particularly for this meeting, in previous years.


Indeed, but on the most part I've always found him to be as awkward as possible.

Report ReaseHeath November 10, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
not sure I'd agree with Walsh's thoughts either in that KP has always been a prominent racer - his two festival defeats are arguably at least partly attributable to going too fierce a gallop early so a step down in trip might suit.

But Ruby knows a lot more about horses than I do.
Report harchibald November 10, 2015 9:22 PM GMT
I'd see this about the same as you do ReaseHeath .. yeah defo. But thing is, who are we to argue with Ruby, exactly  ...

Best thing about this game though - opinions ... and paying for them/backing them up (!!!)
Report shockster November 11, 2015 9:57 AM GMT
I've said it earlier on this thread with front runners like Cocktails At Dawn, Boondooma & Kings Palace in the line up, it's doubtful any of them will get an easy lead and as such this is likely to be a very fast run race.

I'd prefer to look for a something coming from off the pace.  My preference is still Buywise and especially so if it's testing with good course form in big Cheltenham handicaps, albeit he hasn't won one.

Looking forward to this race a lot.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 November 11, 2015 10:04 AM GMT
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Kings Palace saga highlights the pitfalls of ante-post betting to me.

If you're already on at 12/1, well done obviously but you would n't back him now at best price 8/1 whilst there is still a doubt about his participation - albeit a diminishing doubt - especially given the possibility that others in the media latch on to Walsh's comments plus the competitive nature of the Saturday morning markets. I'd say there's every chance that if you wait until Saturday morning you'll be able to back him as a guaranteed runner at a price bigger than 8/1.


Looking at the way the market is forming i cannot see KP being offered at bigger than 8s Saturday morning. If declared he will be 13/2 area Friday morning and possibly offered at 8s as a 'push/rick in pw tables of rp' which will be for a 10-15 minute period to a max bet of around £25-50! This is if Boondooma is declared, which i am being pretty sceptical about. As a person who checks the antepost markets on here religiously, hes being laid mighty often at 11s - 13s this last couple days of which if you were a supporter i'd be pretty worried Scared
Report Facts November 11, 2015 11:21 AM GMT
^ I do hope you're wrong about Boondooma 
Report pipedreamer November 11, 2015 4:20 PM GMT
Looks as if there's going to be a lot of pace on in this race?.We'll see how Kings Palace,a horse described in the formbook as "impressive" in a 4 horse race,[ok 7 runner race as well], gets on in a 20 runner race.I remember one well respected commentator saying after a 3 runner classic trial at Goodwood,where one horse ran wide too into the straight and pulled up,making it a 2 runner race,that the winner was "impressive"!!!!???!!.How can anybody possibly tell from that?!!!
Kings Palace will also have to deal with Boondooma taking him on up front,plus others who like to be up there.Boondooma was jaw-droppingly impressive lto,but has more weight softer ground, and 4 furlongs more to contend with.
What chance Splash Of Ginge?,will he [or can he] go with them early on?.I know that at the Festival these days,the winner seems to be up with the pace in many races, i reckon that depending on the final line-up, the race may suit a late closer.
Report Can't Catch Me November 11, 2015 4:31 PM GMT
Jaw droppingly impressive last time out? I'd say you are more easily pleased than me then!
Report __O1 November 11, 2015 5:03 PM GMT
I think Buywise will storm up the hill and beat them all could touch a massive price in running
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 November 11, 2015 5:19 PM GMT
I expecting Boondooma to struggle if he lines up. The drift on him could be one of two things, hes getting to the price he should be (though imo he should be double that) or he's to get pulled, not much wanted to back him in recent days. His win lto was a good win, but hes been hiked up by the handicapper and like ive already eluded to in a previous post, before i see him race on Saturday and be proved wrong i am of the opinion hes at about the level of ability that Double Ross has, a 145-150 rated racehorse over fences that could just find these a little too hot to handle
Report roobuck November 11, 2015 6:20 PM GMT
I misread your earlier post STS about Little Jon thinking he was entered on Friday. Now I've chosen to pay attention had a little e/w on him
Report pipedreamer November 11, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
My visual readings of races used to be very good.Pipedreamer, [Henry Candy's],Buzzards Bay,Kings Curate,Arcalis,Red Ark,Red Marauder,Abu Kadra,and Donna Viola in a 3k handicap at Yarmouth [won Santa anitas yellow ribbon]are just a few of my early perceptions that turned out ok.
Boondooma won in a style similar to one of my other horses that i raved about,namely Cool Dawn winning at Ascot prior to winning the Gold Cup. As always i talked myself out of it,oh yes i had a lot of help from punters as well [to put me off that is].I'll agree that he's gone up and it may not be his turn again on Sat.

Unlike years ago, the handicapper is very harsh on any winner.that's why its hard to follow up these Days.Winners of these races these days seem to  be unexposed with little form, then find it next to impossible to win another race of this type.In 45 years of punting i have never known a time when decent priced winners were so hard to find.
It's just that it's i think it's hard to weigh up King's Palace going from winning small fields from the front, to being probably taken on up front in a much bigger field.and with a hill to contend with at the end.
Report Facts November 11, 2015 8:54 PM GMT
I note your comment regarding last time out winners. Given certain other key indicators,I base the majority of my higher stake bets on last time out winners,  when running in C1 or C2 handicaps mainly at Grade I tracks.
Report pipedreamer November 11, 2015 10:26 PM GMT
Yes Facts,its ok to back lto winners,but as you probably know,you have to be extremely particular about which one you follow.Robert Charlton when being interviewed on telly the other year, explained how difficult it was to win 2 big prize handicaps let alone 3 with the same horse.
As we know Litigant achieved a double on Saturday.I suppose it matters a lot as to who exactly is training them.It was painful for me in the National this year.I thought Many Clouds at Cheltenham in December put up an amazing performance,where he had no tow into the race and had to make a lot of the pace himself,and although a sitting duck up front, he ground out a victory.And i explained this in detail as to how much i thought of this horse to many a punter.Yet i thought he was over the top after his defeat in the Gold Cup and i didn't back him.
So as i say lto winners ok but probably the key is the trainer,are they the type of trainer to achieve this?.
Report SOULDANCER November 11, 2015 10:50 PM GMT
I like last time out winners but for me it's about the horse, the race and the price. Like the lightly raced improver in h'caps, 3-1 or over, usually looking around the 6-1 mark,  low weights nice, don't bet them when more than 2 in same race. Class of race for me makes no difference. Got loads of different strategies probably this is one of my top ones. Do my worst when I jump from one strategy to another.
Report harry callaghan November 12, 2015 12:28 AM GMT
nice of you to tell us all about your earlier perceptions on certain races pipedreamer admirable stuff
Report Facts November 12, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
Agree with you Souldancer. One of my criteria is price. And my 'winner last time out '  rule can, at times, include horses that have won ' previous time out', I.e within last two races.. Weight to be carried is key, not the actual weight, more in relation to its position in the overall weights of the race. I will back more than one horse in a race , if they both ' qualify '
Report czech mate November 12, 2015 10:26 AM GMT
Here's the Final 20 (unchecked entries)

Sound Investment (IRE) (Tongue Strap)
Sam Twiston-Davies
Johns Spirit (IRE)
Richie McLernon
Irish Cavalier (IRE) (Sheepskin C/P)
P. Townend
Oscar Rock (IRE) (Blinkers)
Brian Hughes
Boondooma (IRE)
Will Kennedy
Kings Palace (IRE) (Tongue Strap)
Tom Scudamore
Cocktails At Dawn
Nico de Boinville
Double Ross (IRE)
Ryan Hatch (3)
Cloud Creeper (IRE)
Richard Johnson
Next Sensation (IRE) (Tongue Strap)
Liam Treadwell
Splash of Ginge
Jamie Bargary (5)
Buywise (IRE)
Paul Moloney
Annacotty (IRE) (Sheepskin C/P)
Ian Popham
Art Mauresque (FR)
Nick Scholfield
Shanpallas (IRE)
Barry Geraghty
Darna (Tongue Strap)
David Bass
Present View (Blinkers)
Brendan Powell
Monetaire (FR)
Conor O'Farrell
Bennys Mist (IRE)
Aidan Coleman
Generous Ransom (IRE) (Sheepskin C/P)
Daryl Jacob
Turn Over Sivola (FR)
Wayne Hutchinson
(FR) (Tongue Strap)
Report harchibald November 12, 2015 10:26 AM GMT
They all run.
Report czech mate November 12, 2015 10:27 AM GMT
Astracad, Little Jon, La Vaticane & The Clock Leary all missed the cut - antepost tickets should be refunded on these
Report czech mate November 12, 2015 11:10 AM GMT
sorry - Turn over sivola also missed cut (i need to learn to count!)

Reserves are T over Siv & Little Jon
Report tim6 November 12, 2015 12:16 PM GMT
If TD gets Little Jon into this as I think he will then lump he is now getting the chaps restaurant race he was giving Irish cavalier a 1lb now here he is getting 19lbs can TD work his oracle
Report Can't Catch Me November 12, 2015 12:39 PM GMT
Irish Cavalier gave him 4lb's and Ryan Hatch took off another 5lb, so it was actually 9lb in total. Admittedly Hatch will probably ride again though if he does make it.

Its a decent pull still, but I had a good bet on Little Jon that day and I just dont think he got the trip, so thats my question mark with him.... cant see him getting up the hill.

Using the form of that race, Generous Ransom looks the standout horse to me.... And he was definitely staying on.
Report tim6 November 12, 2015 2:13 PM GMT
took both of them from that race as good turn around at the weights
Report CVByrne November 12, 2015 3:38 PM GMT
Shortlist is.

Irish Cavalier, Generous Ransom, Buywise, Little Jon, Splash of Ginge & Present View (as first time blinkers)

Irish Cavalier - Has gone up for that win lto so is high in handicap as they hadn't really aimed him at this race. That's a negative, but he's young and clearly very progressive. His run in the G1 at Punchestown where only a few lengths beind Valseur Lido and Apache Stronghold both quality Grade 1 chasers imv who will be 160+ very quickly this season. Maybe he'll do an Al Ferof and be Grade 1 class in a handicap.

Generous Ransom - My kind of one for this. Good course form with a win and a close 3rd in the spring. He hung left after the last and had to straighten at the festival which cost him 2nd place imv. Forgiven his run at Sandown as it was his 7th of the season. Prep over hurdles and he is 15lbs better off with Irish Cavalier from that 3l defeat.

Buywise - His jumping is what costs him, yet he's still staying on in his races and always seems to make the frame. Only 3lbs higher than for his two 3l defeats at the track in the Paddy Power and Festival Plate. Certainly one for e/w with the 5 places.

Little Jon - Another who's jumping cost him at a critical time in in the Nov h/c at Cheltenham. He's unlikely to run as he's 2nd reserve. So one for the Dec H/c instead.

Splash of Ginge - Only 4lbs higher for his win in Jan and I am sure he was in with a shout when he fell in the Dec h/c last season. I had backed him both times and feel he'll make the frame again here. I think he'll be suted by a bit more cut and a bit further this season but certainly one to follow in the big handicaps if his price is right until he bags one.

Present View - after a decent prep at Chepstow he was never involved at Ascot lto. I think due to the drift tht day and the fact he was held up I don't think he was intended to win that day. His 2 runs at Cheltenham last year were excellent when he won at the Festival and came a good 3rd when he was caught late on first by Johns Spirit and then Caid Du Berlais. He wears first time blinkers and he'll return to his prominent or front running tactics.
Report ashleigh November 12, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
more i look at this race the more difficult it becomes, looks a 10/1 the field race come saturday.Confused
Report pipedreamer November 12, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
Actually Harry,i'm only pointing this out.Its all in the form book anyway.A race where 5 frontrunners go off at a fast pace,and the finish is fought out by horses coming from the rear merely tells you that the first 3 were suited to a fast pace.A race where the winner was given a soft lead and quickened from the front means the winner is probably average.
The winners i pointed out did it the hard way.What happens when they go off fast and those up front fall away except one horse,and when challenged repels all late closers?.well obviously you've found a very good horse.Likewise a  horse has a soft lead in a race on a level track,where they are all pulling behind,he quickens late on and increases its lead, AND only ONE horse comes from the rear and goes past it.The winner is obviously very smart and would probably do even better in a big field with a hill finish.
A mate pointed out to me an article by Nick Mordin putting this all up AS A SYSTEM!!.I couldn't believe it,I thought it was what all punters used as BASIC FORM.
Perhaps you all do all this anyway?,know what i mean Harry?.
Report IrisDeBalme November 12, 2015 5:08 PM GMT
Seriously PRESENT VIEW 25/1 ??? Surely that price is way too big... Totally agree with CVByrne

3rd in the race last year off higher weight... blinkers tried, so expect a rejuvenated run this time... think this will make a big difference... this horse has the class to win this as he has shown at the Festival before...

Think the 25s is a Present!

My shortlist is now

KINGS PALACE (antepost)
JOHNS SPIRIT (antepost)
PRESENT VIEW 25/1

Good Luck!
Report harry callaghan November 12, 2015 5:26 PM GMT
apologies pipedreamer - i read it that you we're just having a good aftertime about other races you had read correctlyMischief

this race really is a brutal race to sort out...kings palace at 7-1 makes not a lot of appeal unless the ground goes soft with pace angles a plenty, buywise keeps creeping up the weights for plodding on past weakening horses, cocktails at dawn appeals but has shown zero at cheltenham a shame as i like him...monetaire has a chance but 10-1 really...i'll have to come back to it but do agree with ashleigh in regards 10-1 the field
Report TEN2FOLLOWER November 12, 2015 5:38 PM GMT
Shanpallas
Report CVByrne November 12, 2015 5:59 PM GMT
Yep IrisDeBalme - I think he should be 16/1 or maybe 14/1. This 25/1 is huge. I decided against e/w as he could easily dog is as he hasn't shown form in his 2 runs this season. But if he runs well it'll be up front or up with the pace and can lay in running if I want insurance. I think the Blinkers could get him to keep going at a key part in the race, kick on from top of the hill. He defo stays further imv.


Mega keen on both Minella Present and Return Spring tomorrow, defo ones to back. Wrote reasons on my site and put them in the NH race thread.

http://jumpsadviser.com/cheltenham-open-fri/
Report unclepuncle November 12, 2015 6:02 PM GMT
Laid off my KP bet at 8/1 so have a free bet @ 4/1 so a nice start.

Have also backed John Spirt e/w @ 14/1 and intend to have a small win bet on Cloud Creeper on the day, hoping to get 66/1+
Report IrisDeBalme November 12, 2015 10:14 PM GMT
Hey CVByrne looked at your site great stuff... good to know academics are on here!
Report ACStafford November 13, 2015 11:59 AM GMT
Heavy rain due tomorrow along with some strong winds, which will be into the horses faces at the finish. Could take a real stayer to win it I reckon.
Report Can't Catch Me November 13, 2015 1:14 PM GMT
Bit of a boost for Generous Ransom' form in the first there.... As is the weather forecast.
Report Fashion Fever November 13, 2015 3:14 PM GMT
pipes are running like drains brave man to take 6/1 KP
Report duffy November 13, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
In brief, this is a poor renewal of the race.....splash of ginge and Oscar rock best two guesses for me.
Report ACStafford November 13, 2015 5:07 PM GMT
Yes, no the greatest renewal. There seems to be so much pace in the race that it's surely going to be run too quickly in the forecast conditions, so I'm going to be looking for a hold up horse. Who though?
Report ACStafford November 13, 2015 5:07 PM GMT
*not
Report dunlaying November 13, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
If the rain keeps falling Bennys Mist could reach the frame. He is well treated at present and is 50/1 in a couple of places.
Report IrisDeBalme November 13, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
poor renewal of the race????

A ridiculous statement on what basis is this a poor renewal ? A real competitive race with the likes of Kings Palace, Johns Spirit, Sound Investment, Anacotty, Present View etc all have the potential to be a serious challenge at Cheltenham in March...
Report Facts November 13, 2015 5:43 PM GMT
Hopefully I'd like to see Boondooma out in front, jumping bold and true, with his massive engine, enabling him to burn off all his rivals. He could be something special !
Report delsie777 November 13, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
Darna to place and a small win bet. 25-1
Report CVByrne November 13, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
I think Irish Cavalier might be classiest horse in the race. He or Boondooma could do a G1 horse in handicap job ala Al Ferof and win this with a big weight simply by class.
Report delsie777 November 13, 2015 6:20 PM GMT
He'll need a top ride imo, CVB - I was at Newton when he almost stopped on the run in - admittedly just idling - but if he does that up the old hill he'll be swallowed up. At least the horse has the right man on board to deliver him at the perfect moment. Of the two, I prefer Boondooma who could (as you say) just be better than these. If I was punting these, I would back Boondooma in the win pool because he might shoot in but, on the other hand, he might not stay or could pull too hard and not settle. I would go e/w on Irish Cav in case he idles in front or Townend's timing is slightly out.
Report PJay November 13, 2015 6:31 PM GMT

Nov 13, 2015 -- 5:59AM, ACStafford wrote:


Heavy rain due tomorrow along with some strong winds, which will be into the horses faces at the finish. Could take a real stayer to win it I reckon.


Exactly this. The MET office are forecasting a hefty 20mph headwind directly down the home straight for 3pm tomorrow. I wouldn't like to be on a front runner if that turns out to be the case.

Will need checking on closer to the time.

Report Ibrahima Sonko November 13, 2015 6:57 PM GMT
Looks a really competitive race maybe without a star hiding amongst them, which makes it hard to pick the winner. I have already backed Johns Spirit ew antepost as i think he will give me a good run for my money.

Cant decide who will carry my money tomorrow. shorlist of  Irish Cavalier/Boondooma/Cocktails At Dawn.
Report IrisDeBalme November 13, 2015 8:51 PM GMT
Art Mauresque has an interesting profile - ok he is a 5 year old but Caid De berlais was also 5 when he won last year...

French bred... lightly raced... 11 of those races had less than 6 runners... only 5 years old...

It actually reminds me of Exotic Dancer.. who was French bred ... 13 runs in smallish fields - but didn't really have the profile of a Paddy Power winner... but won.

Cant wait to read the comments of Paul Nicholls tomorrow in the RP before deciding whether to back - Jockey though seriously puts me off, would have expected a claimer at minimum.
Report Ibrahima Sonko November 13, 2015 9:02 PM GMT
Not really, Exotic Dancer finished 8th ish in a world hurdle aged 5. But i do agree the horse appeals as you always look for a horse that can improve 10lbs and you would not question it.
Report PJay November 13, 2015 9:05 PM GMT

Nov 13, 2015 -- 2:51PM, IrisDeBalme wrote:


Art Mauresque has an interesting profile - ok he is a 5 year old but Caid De berlais was also 5 when he won last year...French bred... lightly raced... 11 of those races had less than 6 runners... only 5 years old...It actually reminds me of Exotic Dancer.. who was French bred ... 13 runs in smallish fields - but didn't really have the profile of a Paddy Power winner... but won.Cant wait to read the comments of Paul Nicholls tomorrow in the RP before deciding whether to back - Jockey though seriously puts me off, would have expected a claimer at minimum.


Paul Nicholls, trainer: "Art Mauresque came on enormously for winning at Cheltenham last time. He could be a progressive five year-old but he possibly wouldn't want it too soft."

Report IrisDeBalme November 13, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
Thanks PJay for the snippet... yeah cards close to his chest there...

Hi Ibrahima - its more a case of his prep - Exotic dancer's last 3 runs were 4 or under runners.. very similar to Art Mauresque at the time, wasn't sure Exotic Dancer had the right prep for a race like the Paddy Power and he did surprise me ... I think the same with Art Mauresque... so it rings a chord with me... in terms of comparisons...

Having said that... I just realised Pricewise has tipped him so I actually wont bother with the horse now as that's just added 11 lb on his back
Report Can't Catch Me November 14, 2015 1:27 AM GMT
I genuinely can't believe anyone thinks this is a poor renewal. Best Paddy Power I can remember for years.
Report tim6 November 14, 2015 1:35 AM GMT
same here ccm brillant race in progress with class horses, but think the weather may play its part if forecasts are correct
would definitely be a kings palace backer but the weight in heavy ground puts me off,still think present view fits all the criteria given heavy ground and will go with him
Report Steamship November 14, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
I cannot even narrow the field down to single figures. I do hope that Oscar Rock goes well it being a Jefferson horse. I usually like the lower rated horses in this race which leads me to Art Mauresque and Monetaire. Good luck all
Report buddeliea November 14, 2015 6:59 AM GMT
class horses??
It's competitive as it should be,but classy? Not for me.
Report Facts November 14, 2015 7:16 AM GMT
It's a competitive handicap with many very good horses. What's not to like ?
Report buddeliea November 14, 2015 7:26 AM GMT
I have no problem with a competitive handicap,it's the PP gold cup and I enjoy watching it every year.
Just don't think any of these are what I would call a class horse.......I don't see any of them competitive in a Ryanair for example.
Just my opinion. I may get proved wrong by one or two in time.
Report SOULDANCER November 14, 2015 9:22 AM GMT
Very hopeful for John's Spirit got the softish ground I wanted, Jonjo reckons it's the best he's had him. Hope he's right. Does look a classier race than last year, whether they are particularly well handicapped is another thing.
Report FELTFAIR November 14, 2015 11:31 AM GMT
Backed Johns Spirit each way.
Report Autocue November 14, 2015 11:50 AM GMT
I'm always looking for a second season chaser who appears well weighted. I think Irish Cavalier's festival win was solid form and note that Generous Ransom has a 15lb pull for a 3 length defeat. On trials day he had beaten Irish Cavalier a neck and 2 lengths receiving 7lb on softer ground (value for more as he nearly came to a halt after a mistake at the last). Today he receives 16lb. I would imagine the Paddy Power was targeted after the trials day victory as the race will hold fond memories for the trainer and he has aimed his better horses at it in the past. On that basis I'm prepared to forgive the poor showing in the prep run over hurdles on the basis that it was just to bring him on. Gifford said he was pleased with ride Paddy gave him that day. Good value at the widely available 20/1 imo.
Report buddeliea November 14, 2015 1:44 PM GMT
Boondouma for me, with Bennys mist as an ew outsider
Report CVByrne November 14, 2015 2:40 PM GMT
Gutted tbh. Buywise, if only he could Jump Cry
Report sageform November 14, 2015 2:46 PM GMT
Gutted that Irish Cavalier didn't quite stay in the ground. Whenever I take a good price like 22/1 they never win.
Report shockster November 14, 2015 2:50 PM GMT
Buywise didn't jump great, but think he'd still have won if he hadn't had to switch after the last.
Report GI MAC November 14, 2015 2:51 PM GMT
It was only January this year that Annacotty won a chase off a mark of 144 on soft ground over the old course over 2m5f. He was running off 147 here and is only a 7yo so not really a surprise he's shown some progression. By Beneficial so soft ground shows him at his best.

I had him down as exposed, not anymore. Hindsight is a great.
Report sintonian November 14, 2015 2:52 PM GMT
Kings Palace gone. Rancid price today.
Report sintonian November 14, 2015 2:53 PM GMT
He's gone from a sh1t trainer to a good one, GI.
Report Facts November 14, 2015 2:53 PM GMT
Boondooma  - very disappointing Sad
Report KipperRSA November 14, 2015 2:53 PM GMT
I fancied annacotty for a while, backed it today but thought the writing was on the wall until the end !
Report CVByrne November 14, 2015 2:57 PM GMT
Have to say, I didn't even consider Anacotty for the same reason GI, treated him like Sound Investment or Cloud Creeper, exposed. I also completely missed he'd moved trainer
Report buddeliea November 14, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
Don't think the standing start helped Boondouma,went off about 8th,not good for a front runner.
Report SOULDANCER November 14, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
Johns Spirit travelled well enough but had no response when asked. Perhaps they should have put claimer on Sound Investment, but I think him only going up 4lb meant they didn't need it.
Report __O1 November 14, 2015 5:54 PM GMT
As anticipated Buywise was massive in running and stormed up the hill to beat all but one.  However as he went very short in running all is well in the household tonight.  The winner touched 360 as well.
Report Fashion Fever November 14, 2015 7:41 PM GMT
cant understand the ride on KP surley should have been delivered to lead at the last
Report IrisDeBalme November 14, 2015 9:04 PM GMT
Actually a bit of hindsight - that was a really tough race... you can run that race again and think you would get a different result...

Learnt a few things today

- Johns Spirit - is not the same horse as last season
- Kings Palace is a 3 miler
- Pipe is not on form at all 4 strong fancies all beaten
- Boondooma - If this race was the target then they kicked themselves in the teeth in picking up that penalty lto
- Buywise will always find one too good... maybe they should up him up in distance, considering how far back he comes

What I didn't learn

- Present View - how sad was left behind.. never got to see what the blinkers effect would have had

But yeah wasn't gutted losing - just one of those races...
Report unclepuncle November 14, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
Nowhere near with any of my bets today - been in shocking form since the Arc.Cry

If I had to take one horse out of today's race it would be Monetaire who, given the shocking form of the Pipe stable,  ran well enough until hitting the last. Hopefully he'll be a decent price next time.
Report tim6 November 14, 2015 9:51 PM GMT
with you on that uncle couldn't pick my nose today FFS
Report nocturnal November 15, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
Well done to winners

Some good points Iris,Present View is the mystery,just wonder if the blinkers were for the wrong reason,i:e temperament,like to see him go left handed over 3m on better ground,fine jumper normally.
Art Mauresque... ran a cracker,only 5,on ground possibly softer than ideal,lovely prospect, in the right hands,interesting to see when and where he goes next.
Irish Cavalier....not sure what to make of that,trainer said he wanted 3m and better ground after his festival win,travelled like a dream today,another with bags scope,was todays race an afterthought? If the trainer has him right,serious horse on todays performance,could be difficult to place.
Report sageform November 15, 2015 8:27 AM GMT
There are yards that are right out of form at the moment and no riding tactics would make much difference. There was a doubt about Kings Palce right up to declkaration time so may be they had doubts about him anyway. The Henderson chasing nightmare continued with Cocktails at Dawn tailed off. Lets see whether Sprinter Sacre runs today.
Report sageform November 15, 2015 8:31 AM GMT
The horse that comes out with the most credit from the PP was not even a runner. Wishful Thinking divided Sound Investment and Buywise at Aintree and must be as good as ever. The Peterborough chase or some other valuable 2.5 mile condition chase must be on the cards for him soon.
Report jodean November 15, 2015 9:43 AM GMT
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Report CVByrne November 15, 2015 11:47 AM GMT
Irish Cavalier emptied very quickly, he could have choked.
Report luckyme November 15, 2015 7:01 PM GMT
Lads Buywise did better than we think, have a look at replay, the horse slipped on false ground coming around the bend and nearly came down, Moloney must have had to nurse him back into the race to get his confidence back,
Report CVByrne November 15, 2015 7:14 PM GMT
Horse is cursed.
Report pipedreamer November 15, 2015 9:58 PM GMT
Harry,know what i mean,now?
Report Facts November 16, 2015 2:59 PM GMT
Boondooms's trainer had stated before the race, that they would try to settle him, as he had been quite headstrong in winning his last race. And by getting him to settle would help with the trip too.

In hindsight I think it would have been better to have let the horse have his head and allow him to run his own race. Being restrained probably caused him to sulk, as he never showed at any stage.
Report PJay November 16, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
Boondooma returned slightly lame.

Re Buywise: the race was always going to be run to suit. Loads of pace horses, the ground to slow them up and strong headwinds down the straight. He'll likely never have such an opportunity again.
Report Facts November 16, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
Thanks PJay. Probably explains his poor showing.
Report sageform November 16, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
Kennedy might be OK in low key races but his efforts on class horses have been very poor. Ballyalton doesn't seem to jump for him afetr 2 efforts.
Report Can't Catch Me December 1, 2015 10:45 AM GMT
Morning chaps... can anyone help me please with a bet query. When did Paddy Power start paying 5 places... wasnt just on the day was it?
Report luckyme December 1, 2015 7:14 PM GMT
I think its only the morning of the race, does not apply to ante post bets according to a mate of mine who handed his docket in and it was returned to him with above reply
Report Tucho December 2, 2015 6:15 AM GMT
The place terms are usually on your betting slip if it's an online bet so I'm assuming you're asking about a shop bet.

They never stop banging on about their promos on twitter so it's pretty useful if you need to go back and check. I searched using the phrase "5 places paddy power gold cup" and looking through their official twitter feed on 'paddypowershops' the earliest mention I can see is in the early hours of November 11th, which was the Wednesday before the race.

https://twitter.com/PaddyPowerShops/status/664368769905635328

They say they have a 2nd place freebet offer lasting all 3 days at Cheltenham and mention 5 places in the same post. They say 2nd place freebet applies to all bets placed from Thursday but they are not clear when the 5 places starts. It must apply from at least the Thursday, but it could be earlier. The post implies 5 place offer has already begun imo.

The first overall mention comes on Tuesday November 10th on an account called 'myracingtips', and some random bloke replies to them and posts a screenshot of his online bet and it shows them already offering 5 places.

https://twitter.com/Gogzy25/status/664179523987091456

So to answer your question, it definitely was not just for bets placed on the Saturday, either in store or online. If you bet on the Thurs, Fri or Sat you should have got 5 places. If you bet on the Tue or Wed I'd be a lot less hopeful but it's possible they were 5 places.
Report Can't Catch Me December 2, 2015 10:37 AM GMT
Thanks lads. No it was with a private bookie! Cheers
Report Can't Catch Me December 2, 2015 10:39 AM GMT
Placed the bet on Tuesday morning and was sure they were five at the time but cent find proof and didn't mention it when I placed it.
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