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Jack Hobbs 5/1 Champion Stakes
Jack Hobbs 5/1 Champion Stakes
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I agree Figgis. The draw may actually make things easier for Buick imo. Instead of being faced with the difficult choice of dropping him in or not from a lower draw, it might make perfect sense for the pacemaker to fly out of the gates and JH to track him so that he is handy throughout. This will also help make it a real test as his stamina is not in question.
Johnny... not disputing that there have been some messy races over the trip there... I just dont think the draw means you are more or less likely to encounter issues. |
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I always assumed JH would lead, or at least follow his pace maker and try to make it a real test - he was never going to be held up at the back and swoop late. I really don't see the draw doing any harm to his chances.
As for The Grey Gatsby - two words 'Jamie Spencer'.  |
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surely only jack hobbs or found can win- the rest don't look good enough.
as jack hobbs is out in the carpark the cards are starting to fall for the filly. |
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The worry with Found is that the Arc was always the target on not this. That's all that puts me off her. Where as JH has actually been readied for this.
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^ That's the worry so I've laid off my Found bets at 9/2 so have a nice big freebie on her. Hope she wins but I fear Jack Hobbs will prove too strong on the likely tacky going.
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anyone for racing history? full brother won the same race, big step up though I guess.
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Backed Found. Hope she`s got some energy left after Paris.
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jack hobbs just didn't find much when asked to quicken. well done fascinating rock.
uncle mate you can't be happy with the ride by ryan there! I will retract my earlier silly comments about found being overrated. |
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Was a poor ride though she got the breaks pretty well when she wanted them and wasn't exactly cutting into the winners lead close home so not using it as an excuse.
Just wish I'd kept things simple and just laid Jack Hobbs at around Evens - should have been at least 5/2 to the field. |
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Well done Thunder Road.
A no bet race for me but looking at the result the form looks pretty poor for a Gp1. It was run at a good pace so no excuse for such a compressed finish with some moderate runners finishing close behind. I'd say definitely the weakest renewal since the switch to Ascot, but I think that was how most people viewed it beforehand. No excuse for Jack Hobbs on the day, you couldn't say the drop back to 10f was the problem as he'd have been beaten even further if the race had continued. Nor could the ground be blamed as it was slower than when he'd shown his best previous form. Gosden mentioned the exertions from the early manoeuvre and while yes that can sometimes make a difference I don't reckon that was enough to cost him the race here. Still, I don't believe that was his best form today and he has probably just had enough for the season. Will be interesting to see if he goes on as a 4yo. |
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jack will probably win the coranation cup on derdy day, but not much else
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FF, why do you think that?
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dont see him as fast ground POW horse, coranation cup has to be a natural early season target, no probs c&d, not much else seems to turn up for this
as you know life then gets tough giving weight to the classy 3yos and dont see him as that good. |
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JH's best form has always been on faster than good, but whether they'll want to run him on it in future is another matter. I know there have been a few horses who were top notch at 3 and 4 but for years I've always thought the better 4yos are more often than not horses that were slightly below the very top as 3yos but made better than average improvement later. I don't like the saying 'sure to make a better 4yo', what it really means is they hope it will, but JH certainly has the potential with his size, he's still lightly raced having only 7 career starts and to my eyes he still races quite immaturely, so I'm hopeful.
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Jack Hobbs had to expend a lot of energy making that forward move; he looked certain to petrol-out in the straight. Stayers' was the worst race of the day from a tactical/pace standpoint for those in behind. Clever Cookie horribly unlucky.
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i think jack hobbs ran his race but they went plenty quick enough in front and the winner and the second benefited from a pace collapse in front
i never really understand why 1m4f horses like jack hobbs are ridden on the pace to bring stamina into play, when they are no different to any other horse ridden in that race... he payed for chasing the speed here and maybe a more conservative ride like he got in the epsom derby would of been more beneficial to his chances here...the draw obviously wasn't ideal but i have a feeling he would of been ridden on the pace anyway with that stamina issue the key... however when running a pace maker anyway, he didn't have to worry about pace to run at so his stamina would of come into play anyway he is clearly no world beater though and just to be a tad harsh, he seems to only find the same pace when asked a poor race for the money but like many champion stakes down the years, it isn't always a high class affair, we have just been very privileged in recent years with frankel and cirrus de aigles putting the race back on the map |
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Jac kpricked his ears just before the winner came past and I think he had plenty of energy left but he lacks the pace for 10 furlongs. I can see him as the best 12 furlong horse around next year. His sire improved a lot from 3 to 4.
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