Even if Treve gets outdone in a tactical race tomorrow I doubt we'll see any other strong Arc contenders emerging from that race. The same goes for the Prix Foy, which leaves the big hopes in the Niel. The only likely candidates seem to be New Bay and Erupt. New Bay has a pacemaker in Countermeasure and I'm hoping tomorrow's jockey does a better job than the last one, where he shot off into a lead and was ignored by the rest. That often happens over here too. Is it so difficult to get a pacemaker to set a sensible early pace then wind things up far enough from home instead of setting a ridiculous early pace that the rest won't take seriously? Anyway, hopefully it will be run at a decent overall pace so we're not left guessing after the race.

The PDJC was quite a slow run event so whether Highland Reel is really that close to New Bay is questionable. I don't really rate the rest of Highland Reel's form, his beating of Scottish in the Gordon Stakes looks about as good as he is and he was put firmly in his place at the Curragh.

They did crawl in the next race, in my view. Slow run was the wrong term for me to use, the time was fair in itself, but in comparison to good renewals of the PDJC I'd call it moderate. New Bay may be no better than the bare form, I'm not saying he is, but I'd say it's very possible he is, whereas I've seen no evidence either before or since that Highland Reel is any better than the bare form, or that he's a quality horse in Gp1 terms.

I can only see G Horn or J Hobbs preventing a filly clean sweep

PMU states ground Very Soft at Longchamp today and some more rain forecast.

Benjy, Hills are offering that market right now.

Where do I find that on the website Paterson, please?

New Bay has to be the main challenger to Treve after that.

Impressive, no problems with the step up to 12f.

Good to see Silverwave run better back on Softer ground.

Aye, fair play if you've already backed him. I wouldn't be rushing to take 4s now.

Should have taken some of that 12s with Hills though.

There's your winner. Bit worrying how keen she is mind

Very impressive, not sure it was a good idea to let her down as much as that though.

The rest might as well stay at home. All those fools with deep pockets laying her at 3’s.....

Awesome how she power's around Longchamp, runs way to free but still wins by a miles... Freaky!!!

Still 3 weeks to go Madhu. I well remember montjeu at odds on coming off destroying King George field getting beat. There are no certainties in racing.And by the way, there are plenty of ways of collecting esppecially if one is trading.

Postponed just beat her time by nearly 1sec and a half ... so !? you're telling me a better horse can't beat her ?

Hardly surprising that the Postponed race produced a better time considering the obvious difference in early pace between the two races. Who are the better horses? New Bay is still unexposed so it depends whether you think the potential he has is worth taking on the proven form of Treve at the prices. Maybe some punters may think Golden Horn's best form is better than Treve's best but will GH still be at his best on the day? Every other runner in the race is exposed and needs big improvement or the major players to underperform.

If the ground came up quick then I might be backing Golden Horn against her. I think if there is some cut then Treve will be very hard to beat and Jack Hobbs for me could be the one to test her. As usual I shall wait for the day once the ground and draw is known and have a look at the prices then.

yeah I'd say no chance of him turning up if it'd soft

Respectfully Sandown, I had thought your earlier perspective on the market at that stage was Treve as a lay at 3.0 based on her being a 5yo mare and the record of 2 wins from 89 runners since 1988 for 5yo’s, and that you didn’t expect her to improve this year. She has only now had 12 races, no back problems as she did as a 4yo, and is probably more the finished article this year as a 5yo racemare anyway given known growth patterns in most thoroughbreds.  Moreover, “She’s done extremely well. She has grown and is much stronger than last year. Physically, no doubt, she is much better.”-  Criquette Head-Maarek, 12/5/2015. By the way I stated I thought only a fool with big pockets would lay her at 3’s rather than anyone ‘opposed’ to her is a fool. Thanks for the advice on  ‘ getting the price right for long term success’….I guess whoever  decided to lay her previously at 3’s  is much more astute than a ‘novice’ like me.