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Can't Catch Me
05 May 15 13:04
Date Joined: 02 Apr 03
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Solow v Able Friend... potentially the two best milers on the planet.

Fingers crossed they both get there... this could be some race!
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Report MrDinos June 13, 2015 6:07 PM BST
When John Moore's confident, I'm confident HK. Hopefully there will be some tasty prices Tuesday morning. Wink

If the ground is like last year, that's fine with me and agree, no excuses!
Report HKAccie June 14, 2015 5:23 AM BST
I'm already building a decent bet on him Mr D.....every winning bet is going directly on to him...I'm keeping the faith even though this will be his hardest race over a mile by far, he can definitely get further than the mile, just look at the 2 races v DOR last season to see he can battle, it's just now down to whether he's good enough away from home, didn't realise the magic man has raced at Ascot before in the Shergar cup so that's one concern gone too.
Report harry callaghan June 14, 2015 11:48 AM BST
good thread - quick question at which part of able friend career was he gelded??
Report MrDinos June 14, 2015 12:02 PM BST
Able Friend drawn 7 of 8. Arod not declared so it wouldn't surprise me if Solow tried to make all like he did at Deauville last August, Glory Awaits is the only other runner who might make the pace.

Harry, Able Friend has been a gelding since his first race in Australia (Track: Rosehill 06/11/12 3yr old)

Report harry callaghan June 14, 2015 12:08 PM BST
ok thx
Report metro john June 14, 2015 5:23 PM BST
Figgis , I think the problem I have with Solow(and I have bet it) is that the mile form is very much inferior to the 9f+ form, drastically so.The beating of The Great Gatsby was amazing,  but over the wrong distance for TGG too show anywhere near best?, The mile form in isolation would not be good enough.Could be outpaced at critical stage? That said Solow keeps improving too the eye, and looks genuine.
Report Figgis June 14, 2015 5:31 PM BST
MJ, as I said I'm not judging him on the Meydan form, I'm mainly rating him on the Deauville Gp3. Able Friend won a Gp1 in comparison when winning the HK Mile, but in my view the value of the form looks no better.
Report metro john June 14, 2015 5:33 PM BST
Not sure how the pace will pan out in the event?. NOT may try for an easy lead,try and dictate at slow fractions, Able  Friend generally sits 4-7 off the pace thus exploiting extraordinary turn of foot, but he wants the leaders too bolt in front, he has not been quite so electric off a slower pace,but still did the job.
Report metro john June 14, 2015 5:39 PM BST
Figgis , I have a 134 rating for Able Friend ,he stays.but 3 group1(1m) 1 group2(1m) and 2 listed(1m), he is the specialist, NOT may have been rushed last year winning the Guineas on fourth start, the rest of season best forgot, perhaps they have much more up their sleeve, but not one that takes the eye with style, perhaps because he was rushed?, Hannons do improve 12 lb for a run in recent years, I fear it, but my eyes tell me he is not the class.(man scratches head? Doh)
Report MrDinos June 14, 2015 6:56 PM BST
Solow's 8f form is nothing special, he should be beating the likes of Fire Ship and Sommerabend getting weight off them. These are old, exposed G2/G3 horses, the Prix Daniel Wildenstein (Longchamp) was a poor race last year... Veda did nothing for the form at Santa Anita.

Sommerabend was only 2 lengths behind NOT at Longchamp (Prix du Moulin) last year as well, there is not much between Solow and NOT if you use him as a guide... a pretty average guide. To be fair to Sommerabend he did have one of his better seasons last year at the ripe old age of 7, still a young gun compared to CDA. Grin

I would love to see how some of these lot would get on in G1 races at Sha Tin!
Report Figgis June 14, 2015 7:05 PM BST
Oh I dunno, I don't think Gold Fun and the Britannia Handicap winner Beauty Flame (Roca Tumu) would give them too many worries Wink
Report MrDinos June 14, 2015 7:11 PM BST
Hong Kong trainers must be a lot better than ours if they can make handicap horses G1 winners. Wink
Report metro john June 14, 2015 7:25 PM BST
The trouble is with the Hong Kong brigade,is they generally under perform on European turf , mainly  in the Arc, suspect the mile form could prove more too their liking, but Ascot can seem a vast place for a horse wearing Cheek-pieces(bit of a generalization), they wear them for a reason, and many in Honk Kong do wear them, and until they do it over here ,then I will take them on.
Report MrDinos June 14, 2015 7:34 PM BST
When have Hong Kong runners ran in the Arc MJ?

The Hong Kong brigade have targeted the Sprint races on a few occasions in the UK and that's about it... and done pretty well.

Head gear has never really bothered me but we all have our own way of betting.
Report MrDinos June 14, 2015 7:46 PM BST
I will attempt my first question again MJ, it didn't read properly.

Which Hong Kong horses have ran in the Arc? I cannot think of any.

Cape of Good Hope won the Golden Jubilee and Little Bridge won the King's Stand Stakes.
Report harry callaghan June 14, 2015 8:23 PM BST
really tricky race this from a betting point of view and i can't say either able friend or solow make much appeal to me at the prices we are getting

just a point on animal kingdom whom has been knocked in this thread, he got very coltish in the paddock before the race that day, so in my opinion, his race was run before they even got to the start and his mind was clearly elsewhere, nothing to do with his form or travelling

i am struggling to see why solow is 6-4 here, it is just to short on a average group 1 winner, i myself really like the colt and was very bullish on him for meydan but i was bullish on him because of the horses he was meeting that day, which were just mediocre group horses (bar the grey gatsby who is probably still feeling the effects of a gut wrenching race in the irish champion stakes) he backed that up in another weak affair in france, as much as i really like him as an individual i just don't get the angle here at 6-4, he should be much closer to the 5-2 mark imo...i'm certainly not saying he can't win, just that i don't have him as far clear as he should be to warrant being the price he is, i'm sure he will be finishing and is very uncomplicated, if he were mine he would of ran in the prince of wales, also another thing i'm just not sure of, is how he will act on proper summer ground, that is not a given yet 

the same comments apply to able friend form, who himself has been beating up average horses at sha tin, i'm not sure i get his rating in the racing post, which like a lot of horses from there has been inflated...i certainly would of liked to of seen him travel to get a decent line of form on him, he is clearly a classy individual but he hasn't really been off the bridle so how much he will find i'm just not sure and i certainly have no wish to find out at the 9-4 being other major concern for able friend is he has already had 7 runs this season at sha tin so is coming to the end of his season add to which the travelling...the european horses are fresh, he is not...he will need to be every bit as good as he is hyped up to be, to win this

anyway i haven't made my mind up yet but am firmly with the hannon horses, the trouble i have is i think both would just like a tad more cut in the ground making it a tad tougher, i didn't think the lockinge was a strong race class wise but it was certainly competitive and i just don't think these 2 have much to find, if at all with the top 2 in the market and we are getting a good price on both...

most of the horses in behind them at newbury had had a prep run, which makes there performances much better than the bare form, toormore has a history of going well fresh but he was the one i was most taken by, running really well from a poor draw, night of thunder on the other hand was easy to back so i'd say he is likely to come on for the run and is the better of the 2 colts after beating toormore on 4 occasions but hughes comments after about him being gassy gives hope he could turn the form around but i have my doubts 

a really tricky affair but certainly a race to be playing with the top 2 in the market very beatable...fabres filly is certainly not out of this at a very big price

pace looks like coming from glory awaits but he isn't the head strong character he used to be, so a strong pace is not guaranteed here, making the puzzle even harder, with most of the runners all being hold up horses, this scenario would be against solow for sure, i wonder whether toormore may make it, he seemed much less head strong at newbury and it could be argued one of his best performances was when making the running as a juvenile

anyway a good thread and lots of good opinions i just think the market is wrong so will be taking on the top 2 in the market
Report metro john June 14, 2015 10:04 PM BST
Hi MrDinos, I see my error, and hands up, I will not defend an untruth., I was generalizing a bit too much, they will be calling me a racist nextCry,Anyway I think you now know what I meant. I am just looking forward too this so muchLove
Report metro john June 14, 2015 10:31 PM BST
Here is another one, the turf is firmer over in HK land, that's why so many sprinters make the transformation.I am off too bed , not feeling great,wanna be top for Ascot.
Report MrDinos June 14, 2015 10:55 PM BST
No problem MJ, we all make mistakes... me included!
Report kincsem June 15, 2015 5:32 AM BST
Night Of Thunder for me.
Report HKAccie June 15, 2015 7:28 AM BST
MrD - seems that the news from the Moore camp is that they couldn't have him better so it's now down to the beast and jockey now, I'm pretty sure they won't use the travel as an excuse if he gets beaten, wonder if they are regretting not bringing DOR with them for the POW instead of the race in Dubai....he's also down to 9-4 best price so the big price we were looking for may not materialise, will wait until tomorrow before backing him more.
Report MrDinos June 15, 2015 8:06 AM BST
I'm going to wait till tomorrow as well HK, I'm pretty sure some bookies will be offering some slightly bigger prices in the morning... he's from Hong Kong and it's the first race of a 5 day meeting!! I can see Solow and NOT getting shorter, both horses have connections punters like to follow at these big events.

Everything has seemed to have gone very well for Able Friend and totally agree, there will be no excuses. I'm not changing my mind now and have always thought he's the real deal, we will find out tomorrow. Excited

Rupert Bell is going to be on TalkSport in a bit, he will hopefully give some thoughts on AF and what the vibe is like from his brother's yard.
Report HKAccie June 15, 2015 8:31 AM BST
Some of the loons on the Horse Racing forum have just nailed AF to the floor......the can't get beaten topics are springing up, might as well set fire to my money
Report MrDinos June 15, 2015 8:39 AM BST
It's best not to read that kind of stuff HK... oh dear! As long as Rishi Persad doesn't tip him tomorrow we should be alright. Laugh
Report Can't Catch Me June 15, 2015 8:43 AM BST
Morning lads. Been great to read the updates from you both on here. Seems like everything has gone as well as it could. Have been chipping away myself so got a nice bet running on him tomorrow. Never actually saw him close up at HK so going to make the effort to go to the ring tomorrow.

I think Solow is very short considering the step back to a mile and NoT is my main worry. Will have a saver on him I think. But can't switch allegiance now. Hoping AF can put HK racing on the map!
Report FELTFAIR June 15, 2015 9:00 AM BST
Backed Able Friend based on his mile times. If all the hype is correct could see him displace Solow as favourite.
Report MrDinos June 15, 2015 9:30 AM BST
Morning CCM, it's been a long wait for this race but hopefully he will do HKJC proud.

With no pacemaker for Solow I think he might try and make this a proper test from the front, he will not want a slowly run race IMO. The Magic Man is going to have to be very alert from the off, with only 8 runners this is going to be very tactical and reminds me a bit of the Canford Cliffs race against Goldikova a few years ago.
Report Sandown June 15, 2015 10:09 AM BST
Latest Turftrax readings 8.0 - 8.2 on straight course and 7.8 on round course so yesterday's watering (10mm on Str) has had some effect but the forecast is dry from now on, no more watering planned. The course will probably go back to readings prior to watering by tomorrow so I think there should be no problems on that score. Good fast ground is my f/c.

Now that Arod is out, there is a distinct lack of pace in the race with only Glory Awaits looking the possible pace lead. He's not good enough to lead all the way so one or other of the Hannon pair may take it up mid-way. 8 times out of 10 this race is not a strongly run affair (Frankel the big exception) so I think that this will play into the hands of AF who clearly has the best turn of foot in the race. Head is very confident too about Solow who also possesses a great turn of foot if not quite up to AF's level so I'm extremely confident that the race will go to one of the pair, both being in incredibly good form.

Could there be money coming from HK given AF's reputation? Could that be a factor in who goes off fav. I think 3.5 is a great price for AF but I'll save most of stake on Solow.
Report go-all-in June 15, 2015 10:34 AM BST
I think the front two in the market need taking on here. They might well prove to be very special, but neither have 8f G1 European form to their names.

I think the value lies with the next three in the market, NOT, Toormore & Esoterique. I took some 16/1 about Toormore in the aftermath of the Lockinge as it looked too big, though I wish I'd gone e/w.

Tomorrow I'm leaning towards Esoterique at 20/1. Looking at last years Moulin, there probably shouldn't be much between her and NOT, yet she's four times the price.
Report metro john June 15, 2015 11:31 AM BST
Hello Sandown, Ascot a unique track, just picturing Frankel, and Harbinger, they had their races won a long way out, I just wonder if that will be where the race is won? Fascinating.
Report metro john June 15, 2015 11:34 AM BST
Does Ascot favor those taking a grip on the race 3f - 2.5f out?(tricky in this event me thinks?
Report taffy June 15, 2015 11:38 AM BST
Toormore looked to have done particularly well at Newbury and will be fitter again. He has the speed to be anywhere in the race.
Report Figgis June 15, 2015 11:39 AM BST
I reckon it is usually a well run affair, maybe not so in the first couple of furlongs but nothing unusual about that, then the pace usually picks up. I have to go back to Haradasun in 08 to find a running where the final figures were under par for the race. Hopefully the competitive nature of the event (four runners with a realistic chance of winning) will mean there won't be too much cat and mouse tactics and the best horse wins.
Report metro john June 15, 2015 11:46 AM BST
The front two in the market would need too be asked for something they have not yet done?, more pace too the 6f pole then attack(course requirement?) How much energy would they have used if so?, Able Friend as been settling a long way off the pace, and Solow is in  new territory?,I have never seen Night Of Thunder ridden like the best horse in the race? He perhaps may have sufficient speed too stay closer too the pace, Fascinating. Some tough tactical decisions, especially for Solow.
Report Figgis June 15, 2015 11:58 AM BST
My reading of the form is if Solow had been racing against the likes of Beauty Flame and Rewarding Hero in a well run race I'd expect him to have skipped about 4 clear before the final furlong. It would be interesting to see if Able Friend's final thrust would be enough to make up the deficit in those circumstances, seems a bit of a stretch to me but we'll see tomorrow.
Report Sandown June 15, 2015 12:03 PM BST

Hard to generalise about best tactics to adopt but Ascot rises thoughout the straight mile and levels out for the last furlong. Although it is not so stiff as it was before the stand was built, to my mind the course is still tough enough and horses have to get the trip properly although as I've said the chances of a really fast run race won't be high. Stiff tracks nearly always suit strong types although the ground won't be so soft that factor becomes critical. AF is a big strong horse however, and no-one has yet said that in fact the track might suit him. Although at 5 (like Solow) I do not expect to see any significant improvement in form, I am not as concerned as some about the straight mile. I would be more concerned about overly pronounced waiting tactics especially if it is not a strong pace so providing AF is not kept too far out of his ground I expect his turn of foot to be decisive.

Solow is no slouch and without AF in the field I would rate his chance highly but to my mind his chance would have been greater with soft in the description and a strongly run race at a mile.Freddie head has a good line to NOT through Charm Spirit who has beaten NOT twice. Toormore nearly always races keenly and he my not be suited by slow early fractions. As both Hannon horses stay the mile well, we might see see them both race more prominently than the visitors and could be the ones to take it up once Glory Awaits fades.

Frankel was a freak and Harbinger was exceptional on the day over 12f and I don't think that either set the pattern for most Ascot winners.

I think that the ratings suggest that Hannon's pair should be close but on the clock I don't see it that way especially the way the race will probably be run. But tactics might change and AF may not be as good as he looks in HK. I've been keeping sectional times for 20 years and very few horses can achieve the final fractions that AF seems to get easily.

Word of warning though. I felt the same way about Deep Impact when he ran in the Arc. And look how that turned out.Cry
Report Sandown June 15, 2015 12:12 PM BST

Don't think we are too far aprt on this. Comes down to how to play it given the odds and what betting strategies we like to use. I know that you prefer to back the most probable winner as you see providing the odds seem reasonable. As for me, I'm happy to lay 2 or more horses if need be and at the prices its better to have AF for the win and Solow as the save. As you say, we'll soon find out. GL anyway.
Report Sandown June 15, 2015 12:13 PM BST
"play" not "lay"
Report Figgis June 15, 2015 12:15 PM BST
Yes, Sandown, of course he could be just one of those that just does enough, or more precisely is ridden to just do enough, a bit like Gleneagles as a 2yo and that one caught me out.
Report metro john June 15, 2015 12:17 PM BST
I am not convinced yet, that Able Friend will have the same amount of energy to produce that burst of speed, in the champions mile, the opening two splits are tame enough, and he is 3-4 off the pace

    26.30    24.14 the final burst is awesome but plenty of energy conserved for it.
Report metro john June 15, 2015 12:24 PM BST
further back than that, My memory confusing  me, pardon me. -
Report Sandown June 15, 2015 12:28 PM BST

The Hong Kong mile Dec 14 2014 is the race to look at. It was a strongly run race with near even times throughout  each quarter. It was the fastest final time performance of any of AF's recent runs and he still proved capable of putting in a final quarter of 21.71. It compared very favorably with the rest of the card which had some big races over 6,8, 10,12f.His last run was clearly in a slowly run race. Judge him on the Dec 14 race. As I said, he might even be suited by a stiff mile providing the ground is Ok which it should be.
Report Figgis June 15, 2015 12:46 PM BST
Yes agreed the HK mile is the race that reveals more about him. He proved he's not just a horse that can quicken off a slow pace, although that would've been unlikely anyway and if he runs his race he should be thereabouts even in a strongly run at Ascot. One question is could he have done even more in the HK mile? Personally I doubt he would've produced much more if pressed, as it was a well run race which normally reveals the true ability of a horse, even when they appear to have won easily. The other question is just how good is that piece of form? I'd expect Solow to beat those runners just as easily and probably by a bit wider distance, if maybe not ridden in the same visually impressive manner.
Report Figgis June 15, 2015 1:00 PM BST
When I'm judging Solow I'm not taking the Prix Daniel Wildenstein Gp2 form from last year literally. I read that it was supposed to have been a well run affair but for me it was run at a moderate early pace and Solow's superiority was compromised. If that form really is the true extent of his abilities then he'd have only a very slim chance tomorrow and would even struggle against NOT and Toormore.
Report Sandown June 15, 2015 1:04 PM BST

You may be right about Solow beating the same horses better but all we have to go on is what has actually happened. The international ratings just released put SF 1 lb higher than Solow so nothing really in it. We have to look at distance, ground and course preferences. AF whilst Solow may be capable of running 8-10f to a high level. AF has run best on fast ground. Solow looks to be able to handle soft and fast ground although best time fig on TS was at Deauville over verysoft 8f. On balance I think therefore that Solow has more stamina whilst AF has more speed. There won't be much between them.
Report metro john June 15, 2015 1:22 PM BST
Sandown, your experience is valid and helpful the mph at end of race mega, , but he played no part at all in those sectionals in the Hong Kong mile, I think the race fell apart for him, your view on Solow is very valid concerning distance , the fact remains that his mile form is no where near that 9f effort when beating TGG.(but that does sway me his way), i always feel you need a horse that gets that bit further in the top races, in this instance the lack of obvious pace is a major concern for Solow unless they use the Filly?(I don't fancy her chances at all), so perhaps that will be her job?
Report metro john June 15, 2015 1:26 PM BST
I did rate the HK mile 134,and stand by that as a potential rating.
Report metro john June 15, 2015 1:31 PM BST
My main fear and a big one is that there may be no pace and you could see a few of these pulling and ruining chances, the pace is not at all obvious, the lesser lights will be ridden for best possible placing, it could all hinge on Toormore and the filly, not sure at all how their owners and trainers view this?
Report HKAccie June 15, 2015 5:37 PM BST
AF now 4.1 - friendless.....I can also back Solow at 3.8 on HKJC at the moment (unfortunately can't take the price so have to hope the locals go AF mad).
Report Sandown June 15, 2015 5:41 PM BST
Incredible PP offer. AF 4.0 BOG plus . If only I could bet with BM'sCryStill, it has had the effect of pushing AF out to 4.0 on BF. Grin
Report FELTFAIR June 15, 2015 5:42 PM BST
Have topped up Able Friend in the place market at 53%.
Report HKAccie June 15, 2015 5:43 PM BST
Report Sandown June 15, 2015 5:50 PM BST
“The Queen Anne is always an excellent race, it’s always a very hard race to win, a very competitive race. Night Of Thunder was a very good horse last year and he’s come out and won the Group 1 Lockinge Stakes and he’s a pretty good horse. He’s playing on his home turf and it’s a big advantage playing at home. For me, the principal danger to Able Friend is Solow, the French horse, but Able Friend has travelled well and looks in very good shape so if he can transfer his Sha Tin form to here he’ll take all the beating.”

[i]Michael Bell

Well at least someone agrees with me!
Report Navel-Gazer June 15, 2015 6:05 PM BST
Considering the immense firepower he has, I find it extraordinary that the best Aidan O'Brien can throw at this race is a 40/1 rag Cougar Mountain.
Report Navel-Gazer June 15, 2015 6:32 PM BST
Surprisingly it looks like he hasn't got a decent 4yo and 3yo's can't run in this race any more.
Report HKAccie June 15, 2015 8:34 PM BST
I agree with you Sandown - if the Sha Tin AF turns up I have full faith that it will take a very good one to beat him, if this was run at ST tomorrow he'd be very short indeed.
Report MrDinos June 15, 2015 8:51 PM BST
I think we've been saying this for a while now HK, nothing new really. John Moore is full of confidence, seems like he's here to prove a point more than anything.
Report HKAccie June 15, 2015 8:59 PM BST
Just making myself feel better Mr D I'm up to one of my biggest wagers ever on him and likely to add more so just making sure I'm not the only one on him, and at 4.1 I can't resist adding to it!!
Report MrDinos June 15, 2015 9:11 PM BST
It's not that HK, just some posts from a few others which are a bit odd! Wink
Report Figgis June 15, 2015 9:41 PM BST
Haven't nearly all Moore's best previous highest grade winners been ex British/Irish horses that were far from the top level when racing over here? Is he some sort of equine magician or is it just that the best races don't take as much winning over there? Wink
Report Kingchip June 15, 2015 9:45 PM BST
Jamie Spencer speaks today in the RP. He mentions that he finished 7th behind AF in the HK mile last year and was amazed by his turn of foot.

He is siding with AF but mentions that the straight mile on one of the most demanding tracks is the unknown.
Jamie is a good judge and a hold-up-merchant jockey (head waiter). He messes up many a mount with his tactics.

I can't believe that AF is now 4.1 and I am tempted to lump on, good luck to you HKAccie. Shame you will not be at the track.

I will and will be looking to play up any AF winnings on Finnegan in the Coventry -  won over 5f doing 56.84 on turf at Pimlico.

Good luck all.......
Report MrDinos June 15, 2015 10:18 PM BST
The likes of CDA, Darjina, Cityscape, Giofra etc couldn't beat the handicappers in Hong Kong so maybe JM and some of the other trainers there are magicians. Cityscape beat Sommerabend by 2 lengths as well which is a funny coincidence, like Solow and NOT. Laugh

Horses have to start somewhere I suppose, why not a UK/Irish handicap? Gets them battle-hardened. Wink
Report Madhu June 15, 2015 10:28 PM BST
Well the waiting and anticipation is nearly over and congratulations all on a great thread.  Am on Toormore since after Lockinge and I think Hughesie is going to make this a real stamina test from the front and try and blunt Able Friend’s turn of foot over this stiff mile. With Solow having the ability to race handily (has made the running- “That didn’t go as expected, as he is used to going off in front, but he was bumped at the start and Olivier gave him a fantastic ride,” trainer Freddy Head after the Daniel Wildenstein) he will be up with the pace 2f out, and James Doyle is not going to want to get to the front till well inside the final furlong this time on Night of Thunder and I see him tracking Solow.  I just can’t have Singspiel getting a top class miler out of a Highest Honor mare and in Solow’s case especially on fast ground. All things considered it will need a monumental effort from Able Friend to get to and pass all of them. I just hope that Hughesie nicks a length or 2 off Maxime Guyon whose record at Ascot is not too good, and he holds on inside the final furlong to beat his stablemate. Good luck all.
Report propunter1 June 15, 2015 10:37 PM BST
Straight mile - expecting a fast pace throughout the race. Can't see AF keeping up with the pace and imo he will be too far behind to catch up strong finishing horse like solow on a testing track like ascot.
Other possible negatives, had too many races, first time traveled from HK, track.

Good luck all.
Report ilikewavingatbuses June 16, 2015 1:01 AM BST
The stiff straight track will ensure a win for the French raider, its not rocket science fellers.

2 N.O.T
Report RBoyd86 June 16, 2015 4:09 AM BST
N O T to place 1.77 looks a cracking play to me
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 6:38 AM BST
AF does has decent form over 1800 and 2000 in HK where he was run down by Designs on Rome so can't see the Ascot mile being an issue for him, I've been tempted again by the 4.1 and my blind faith as I'm taking the travel factor out of the equation and think AF would be a lot shorter if this was being run at Sha Tin (a fool and his money!!) I wish I had waited for the 1.53 place though as that's a lot bigger than any of his SP's in HK this season!! Good luck all...just hope it's a good race and there are no excuses....I've got a sneaky feeling Toormore is going to run a big race and will have a money back saver on him
Report Sandown June 16, 2015 9:12 AM BST
Turftrax readings this morning Standside 8.5 Centre 8.3 Farside 8.5 Round 8.1. Much the same as first day last year but slightly faster on round.Looks like rails slightly faster, as usual.
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 10:07 AM BST
There's a sh1t load looking to be laid at 3.95-4.1(44k)
Report MrDinos June 16, 2015 12:21 PM BST
AF 7-2 now, time to play! Same price he was a few months ago, when we didn't know for sure he was going to make the trip.

Good luck all.
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 12:40 PM BST
I'm in again MrD......what is that they say about a fool and their money!!!! Laugh
Report MrDinos June 16, 2015 12:47 PM BST
I like your style HK, all guns blazing... it's the Hong Kong way! Cool

We'll find out in a couple hours if we are fools!! Laugh

It's exciting... win or lose.
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 12:53 PM BST
Yes - it's a bad trait i've picked up since I moved there in 2008.
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 12:56 PM BST
I've got Solow at 3.0 (I hope) on HKJC to get some of the stakes back and also Toormore ew currently at 24 win 2.5 place on HKJC....NOT is currently 12.0 on HKJC too so that could also get a small stake if it stays at those levels.
Report MrDinos June 16, 2015 1:04 PM BST
It's only money HK, you can't take it with you!!! Grin

Just AF for me... keeping it simple.
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 1:11 PM BST
I tell my wife that MrD.....the only trouble is it's her BF account as she's the only one with a UK bank account now so she sees the traffic.....luckily I've had a few winners recently and everything has doubled up on to AF, also I'm in the UK so I can back him the traditional way with cash!!
Report MrDinos June 16, 2015 1:20 PM BST

Brilliant HK.
Report A_T June 16, 2015 2:32 PM BST
i'm forgetting the foreign two the Ascot mile won't suit them - Hannon's pair for me
Report alleged22 June 16, 2015 2:38 PM BST
French 1-2
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 2:40 PM BST
Report unclepuncle June 16, 2015 2:47 PM BST
As with all e/w bets to nothing NOT finishes 4th.Cry

Well done winners.
Report alleged22 June 16, 2015 2:49 PM BST
solow surprised me
Report MrDinos June 16, 2015 2:50 PM BST
Mr T knows what I am.

AF Looked terrible at the start, never seen him in such a state.

Plenty got it right, well done winners.
Report harry callaghan June 16, 2015 2:58 PM BST
wd winners shame the filly couldn't get up sl@g...looked like the hannon horses didn't back up on the fast ground
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 2:59 PM BST
The disappointment MrD is that he didn't run his race at all which is what we wanted to see......wonder if Solow will come to HK in Dec as he's a gelding too isn't he so be good to see him for round 2. Anyway, as you said you can't take it with you....luckily I got some back at 2.7 on HKJC, but lots has gone up in smoke!!!
Report RBoyd86 June 16, 2015 3:05 PM BST
cant believe how keen N O T was race was perfect with the tormoore pace, and AF possibly blowing out... Cant believe he's not got placed
Report MrDinos June 16, 2015 3:08 PM BST
The race looked lost at the start for AF, didn't look good at all. That's horse racing!

Solow won a shade cosy and I keep underestimating him. Freddy is normally spot on and he proved it again.
Report RBoyd86 June 16, 2015 3:16 PM BST
after seeing AF at start i double my place bet on N O T lol
Report HKAccie June 16, 2015 4:05 PM BST
Hahahaha - MrD, my mate in HK had the tricast in the King's Stand as he was given the winner as a tip by his doorman at work!!
Report Howellsy June 16, 2015 4:15 PM BST
Well done Solow backers. I needed to see him do that before I was going to believe in him. NOT was a bitter disappointment.
Report Howellsy June 16, 2015 4:15 PM BST
Well done Solow backers. I needed to see him do that before I was going to believe in him. NOT was a bitter disappointment.
Report Sandown June 16, 2015 7:13 PM BST
Saved on Solow but great shame that AF let the occasion get to him. That's not his form.But what's the excuse for the Hannon pair?
Report metro john June 16, 2015 7:34 PM BST
Pete Doherty could pass a test in that part of the world.(only jesting)Grin
Report metro john June 16, 2015 7:48 PM BST
Aiden no doubt happy the nervous work rider of Couger finally had time of sick.Wink
Report sintonian June 17, 2015 7:09 AM BST
Apologies if I missed the most Sandown but hope you mentioned the saver bet on Solow prior on the thread!

I think the slow pace allowed the Fabre filly to get so close. Against her own sex she'll be a force but is slightly flattered by that run, imo. Though she does have good form with Integral who runs today.

The Sussex is apparently next for the big grey beast. Would love to see him over 10f in the Eclipse or something.
Report sintonian June 17, 2015 7:09 AM BST
*the post
Report Sandown June 17, 2015 3:35 PM BST

Now would I aftertime? Even if I didn't say that beforehand no-one imo is tied down to having to say what they did or didn't do in detail for the benefit of people on here unless you come on crowing about it afterwards. Anyway, look back to my posts one or two  days before Tuesday for proof.
Report FELTFAIR June 17, 2015 5:22 PM BST
People celebrating a winner seems to upset several on here.Cry
Report sintonian June 17, 2015 6:55 PM BST
There's celebrating a winner, and then celebrating when you're trying to save face Feltfair. If you trust the judgement of people who aftertime then good luck to you!!

Well done sandown.
Report FELTFAIR June 17, 2015 8:17 PM BST
Such a sensitive soul.
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