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Here are the weights and entries for Britain's richest handicap hurdle.

Horse    Age    Wgt    Trainer
DIAKALI (FR)    6    11-12    Willie Mullins IRE
ARCTIC FIRE (GER)    6    11-07    Willie Mullins IRE
GARDE LA VICTOIRE (FR)    6    11-06    Philip Hobbs
GET ME OUT OF HERE (IRE)    11    11-03    Jonjo O’Neill
BERTIMONT (FR)    5    11-01    Dan Skelton
SIGN OF A VICTORY (IRE)    6    11-01    Nicky Henderson
ROLLING STAR (FR)    6    11-00    Nicky Henderson
HAWK HIGH (IRE)    5    10-12    Tim Easterby
SEA LORD (IRE)    8    10/12    John Ferguson
ANALIFET (FR)    5    10-13    Willie Mullins IRE
CINDERS AND ASHES    8    10-13    Donald McCain
SEEDLING    6    10-10    Warren Greatrex
PINE CREEK    7    10-10    John Ferguson
HAMMERSLY LAKE (FR)    7    10-10    Nicky Henderson
VASCO DU RONCERAY (FR)    6    10-09    Nicky Henderson
CALIPTO (FR)    5    10-09    Paul Nicholls
ACTIVIAL (FR)    5    10-09    Harry Fry
LUCKY BRIDLE (IRE)    6    10-08    Willie Mullins IRE
DAWALAN (FR)    5    10-08    Nicky Henderson
GOODWOOD MIRAGE (IRE)    5    10-08    Jonjo O’Neill
ROYAL IRISH HUSSAR (IRE)    5    10-08    Nicky Henderson
SLEEPY HAVEN (IRE)    5    10-08    Jennie Candlish
CHELTENIAN (FR)    9    10-07    Philip Hobbs
BALLYGLASHEEN (IRE)    5    10-07    Evan Williams
JOLLY’S CRACKED IT (FR)    6    10-06    Harry Fry
STARLUCK (IRE)    10    10-06    David Arbuthnot
ROCK THE WORLD (IRE)    7    10-06    Jessica Harrington IRE
AMORE ALATO    6    10-06    Nick Williams
WICKLOW BRAVE    6    10-06    Willie Mullins IRE
FOX NORTON (FR)    5    10-06    Nick Williams
MIJHAAR    7    10-06    John Ferguson
RED MERLIN (IRE)    10    10-05    Donald McCain
ARZAL (FR)    5    10-05    Harry Whittington
BLAIR PERRONE (IRE)    6    10-04    Tony Martin IRE
BORDONI (USA)    6    10-04    John Ferguson
ASO (FR)    5    10-04    Venetia Williams
DANEKING    6    10-04    Willie Mullins IRE
ON TOUR (IRE)    7    10-04    Evan Williams
MINELLA PRESENT (IRE)    6    10-04    Neil Mulholland
BALGARRY (FR)    8    10-03    David Pipe
EMERGING TALENT (IRE)    6    10-02    Paul Nicholls
LASER HAWK (IRE)    8    10-01    Evan Williams
SWING BOWLER    8    10-01    David Pipe
CHIEFTAIN’S CHOICE (IRE)    6    10-00    John Quinn
FORCED FAMILY FUN    5    10-00    John Quinn
EBONY EXPRESS    6    10-00    Dr Richard Newland
TOP NOTCH (FR)    4    10-00    Nicky Henderson
BARADARI (IRE)    5    9-13    Venetia Williams
VIOLET DANCER    5    9-12    Gary Moore
KASHMIR PEAK (IRE)    6    9-12    John Quinn
GASSIN GOLF    6    9-12    Richard Lee
KAREZAK (IRE)    4    9-12    Alan King
COOL MACAVITY (IRE)    7    9-12    Nicky Henderson
BALLYBOLLEY (IRE)    6    9-11    Nigel Twiston-Davies
WILLEM (FR)    5    9-10    David Pipe
FASCINO RUSTICO    7    9-10    Dan Skelton
SNAKE EYES (IRE)    7    9-08    Nicky Henderson
WAR SINGER (USA)    8    9-08    Johnny Farrelly
HELLO GEORGE (IRE)    6    9-08    Philip Hobbs
AS DE FERBET (FR)    5    9-08    Willie Mullins IRE
FIRST MOHICAN    7    9-07    Alan King
CLONDAW WARRIOR (IRE)    8    9-07    Willie Mullins IRE
LIGHTENTERTAINMENT (IRE)    7    9-06    Chris Gordon
BUISENESS SIVOLA (FR)    4    9-01    Willie Mullins IRE
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Report IrisDeBalme February 3, 2015 3:15 PM GMT
totally disagree - Large Action/Flakey Dove have the same form as many of the others going into the race - he went on to greatness thats the point of the Betfair hurdle its a good indicator of potential ... with the prospect of a full field, there will be one or two that may be worth following in the season ahead - in either the handicap or Supreme or maybe a Champion hurdle? (not sure of CH though!)  ... but probably worth saving that judgement til after the race...

btw This is a marked improvement from last weeks race at Sandown...
Report IrisDeBalme February 3, 2015 3:20 PM GMT
Seedling form was franked by SOME PLAN winning on Sunday... won by 9 lengths - didnt watch the race though - Having said that Calipto beat him 10 lengths last season both were on 11-2 and only 1lb difference now but having said that I did have a dabble at 16s after his form franked on Sunday...
Report PJay February 3, 2015 7:22 PM GMT
Trainer form is a big worry with Seedling.
Report GI MAC February 3, 2015 7:58 PM GMT
^ indeed, been pretty poor for a few weeks now, would need to see some winners before backing any of his.
Report unclepuncle February 3, 2015 8:08 PM GMT
No idea on running plans but at the prices the only one to half interest me in a poor renewal is Cheltenian at around 40/1.
Report alleged22 February 3, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
cheltenian defo has a big race in him unclep, I just don,t think it will be Saturday... Plain
Report Benjy February 3, 2015 8:33 PM GMT
I'd be a bit disappointed if they gave up chasing already with Cheltenian.
Report Capallsasta February 3, 2015 9:18 PM GMT
If Chieftain's Choice and Ballybolly make the lineup they will do nicely , could Ryan Hatch ride Ballybolly and do back to back betfairs off 10-03 after Splash of Ginge last year ⚡️
Report GREEDISGOOD February 4, 2015 12:53 AM GMT
calipto is ridiculously short.  I know he's had a breathing op and improved 20-25 lbs from it's last run, but this race is a lottery.  I'd back all the outsiders here
Report unclepuncle February 4, 2015 9:55 AM GMT
If he has genuinely improved 20-25lbs then he should be about 1/10.Shocked
Report GREEDISGOOD February 4, 2015 5:51 PM GMT
not necessarily.  other horses which have not been seen for a while could have improved another 10-20lbs.  dangerous race.
Report GREEDISGOOD February 4, 2015 5:51 PM GMT
i'll give you 1-10 the meeting is abandoned on sat
Report KipperRSA February 4, 2015 10:45 PM GMT
so you will give me 10/1 the meeting goes ahead ?
Report PJay February 5, 2015 11:19 AM GMT
Seedling not entered and Snake Eyes misses the cut.
Report unclepuncle February 5, 2015 11:27 AM GMT
Cheltenian runs - he was out to 150 on here this morning with nothing on the lay side so assumed he was a n/r. Wish I'd been brave.Cry
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 5, 2015 3:21 PM GMT
A lot milder today and some rain/light snow, dont know if they have taken the covers off yet ?
Report custardcream64 February 5, 2015 4:02 PM GMT
Sleepy Haven looks overpriced to me. Will love the ground and hopefully a fast pace will be set.
Report colupaul February 5, 2015 4:10 PM GMT
Anyone on here also like Arzal?  I've gone in again at 33s, 5 places, BOG... from franked by Dusk Lark this aft... first time tongue tie could be helpful... right age... trainer had a winner recently... what's not to like? Plain
Report sc1883 February 5, 2015 4:29 PM GMT
Shocked to see Wicklow Brave at 33-1. Well overpriced imo. Done nothing this season but re-watch the supreme two out and he's travelling like a dream. Paid for the price of going after the winner and got tired towards the end. Only a couple of lenghts behind Vaiteux whos rated 154, Wicklow running of 140. Hopefully Willie as him A1 after his dissapointing runs in the autumn
Report shockster February 5, 2015 4:50 PM GMT
colpaul - I've taken the 33's 5 places on Arzal.  7lb claimer will help the weight too and very unexposed.  Still think they've all got Calipto to beat at the weights though.
Report GREEDISGOOD February 5, 2015 5:23 PM GMT
got on arzal too (and sign of victory)  hopefully calipto will break a leg, because if he is anything near last years form, he'll screw me over
Report toddstar. February 5, 2015 5:35 PM GMT
How do i find out whats been balloted out ? Im on baradari ante, anyone know if i will get my cash back pls
Report GI MAC February 5, 2015 5:38 PM GMT
Ask your bookie
Report toddstar. February 5, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
Very helpful of you. They are not to be trusted ! last time my mate got his stake back from a horse balloted out so I went to collect mine only to be told it hadnt ! A load of hassle on the phones only to be told that it had, Eventually got it but now I like to find out for myself just incase they try it on.
Report stormey1 February 5, 2015 5:50 PM GMT
Baradari is a loser antepost mate
would have easily got in race so cannot have been balloted out
Report GREEDISGOOD February 5, 2015 5:55 PM GMT
u done yr cash.  no point backing antepost these days .  if you want to back calipto at 5-1 you could prob get 10-1 in running.  my tactics in this race are backing 5 outsiders at 15s and more. the backing the second fav and fav in running at double figures.  I hardly ever lose this way
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 5, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
I have already backed Vasco Du Ronceray at 50/1 last month so i was hoping jacob would be riding, sadly Nico is banned or he could had taken 3lbs off. But you never know, on the day the top 1 maybe a non runner and Barry G can jump ship. Tongue Out

Had a little bit on Balleybolley @25/1 today hoping they have been messing with him most of the season, even if they have not he is certainly much better than his current rating and entered in 2 races at the festival.
Report 1st time poster February 5, 2015 6:02 PM GMT
ffs after his last win at 2 m 4 williams went on ch4,ruk and told the world badari would not be dropping back in trip again, i no they tell porkies but after saying that it had to be a day of the race bet
Report malheureusement February 5, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
ATR around lunchtime indicated that Peter Carberry would be on Vasco with a 3lb claim. I thought 28s with B365 ew 1st 5 was very fair. It's 50 on here with nothing to lay.
Report knot in wood February 5, 2015 6:24 PM GMT
segal put baradari up ante post before the ascot win,so forcing your hand if you followed the horse(had small ew myself) Sad

funny enough he went against the beast at ascot when he won.
Report boy wonder 07 February 5, 2015 7:02 PM GMT
ON TOUR
Report deepingfox February 5, 2015 8:56 PM GMT
PINE CREEK for me, still think Trainer and his horses are underbet in the big races.  Took 34/1 on Betfair yesterday, and still 24/1 available tonight.
Report stevo1 February 5, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
Same here deeping backed him lto, not a lot at weights between him and 2nd fav,also Vasco big price on here still.
Report stevo1 February 5, 2015 9:26 PM GMT
Vasco 60s on here crazy price?
Report nocturnal February 5, 2015 10:22 PM GMT
GI MAC.......I see the trainer of the donkey you backed last year has another, with similar profile.Same race at Aintree early season,was hoping for claimer on board,worth second glance if its on.
Report GI MAC February 5, 2015 10:45 PM GMT
been looking at him Noc, the drop of 7lb since his last run seems quite generous.
Report Big_Issue February 5, 2015 10:53 PM GMT
Somebody this evening has had 300 on Pine Creek @ 13 on here when 16/1 available all over town?
Report Big_Issue February 5, 2015 10:58 PM GMT
....and now taking 12.5. Wonder if a bot going a wee bit haywire?
Report stevo1 February 5, 2015 11:05 PM GMT
And 12s lol something not correct.
Report Big_Issue February 5, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
That moment when you wish you had more in your account!

Funny thing is I put this up on my shortlist above and had a few bits at 25+ before seeing it drift to 40+ and worrying was a non-runner...
Report mary hinge February 5, 2015 11:16 PM GMT
mental to take 13 tonight!!
Report CVByrne February 5, 2015 11:23 PM GMT
Goodwood Mirage, fill your boots.
Report Capallsasta February 5, 2015 11:43 PM GMT
Chieftain's Choice & Ballyboley still in , they tick all the boxes for this race and Wicklow Brave for the combination tricast
Report Capallsasta February 6, 2015 12:08 AM GMT
Roll on Cheltenham .. Great races one after another no waiting!!
Report metro john February 6, 2015 3:13 PM GMT
Fascino Rustico solid e/w chance
Report 1st time poster February 6, 2015 3:36 PM GMT
aso and ballygarry for me
Report TheGoddess February 6, 2015 3:51 PM GMT
sixth in the Supreme last year I have taken the 33/1 about Wicklow Brave
Report FELTFAIR February 6, 2015 5:47 PM GMT
Don`t like the race at all but have had an each way very speculative wager on Sleepy Haven at a big price on here.
Report gamerawins February 6, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
Sign of a Victory big chance off top weight. Can't remember the last time the top weight in this wasn't rated over 150. Has it ever even happened?

Don't mind Henderson saying the ground won't suit. There is absolutely ZERO evidence that the horse must have good ground. Going by the horses action and breeding he is in fact much more likely to PREFER softer going. The biggest problems this horse will have are: 1. Will he settle? 2. The fact that Geraghty will have him 6 horses wide all the way round. 3. Because Geraghty & Henderson have decided he doesn't like the ground and has it all to do with top weight, will Geraghty even bother riding him properly? Remember Oscar Whisky in the Paddy Power? They went into that race with the exact same fears they have for this race and as a result Geraghty didn't really even try to win when the horse would certainly have won if given a chance from 3 out rather than just trying to win up the run in. Forgot he was in a race there that day. If Geraghty can't come there on the bit after the last then I can see him giving up. Must take this into consideration if backing the horse.

Overall CALIPTO is certainly the most solid. Sure to be on the premises.

Both Ferguson horses have a chance also as does the Quinn horse by Kings Theatre.
Report CVByrne February 6, 2015 6:49 PM GMT
Goodwood Mirage & Sign of a Victory for me.

Also done Bordoni @ 100.0 and Ballybolly @ 36.0 on here


Very keen on Shotavodka in the 2nd, took a decent bet e/w @ 33/1
Report alleged22 February 6, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
just the 4 CV? Shocked

STS will be pleased Laugh


just fascino rustico  e/w for me Happy
Report Big_Issue February 6, 2015 9:00 PM GMT
Has PW selected Bordoni? Down to 34 from 100+ earlier
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 6, 2015 9:05 PM GMT
nice trade cvb Cool
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 6, 2015 9:30 PM GMT
Lightly raced five and six year-olds have dominated this prize with that age group responsible for the last eight winners and that octet had had no more than 10 career starts over hurdles with five having had no more than four

Anyone know judo's pick ?
Report JOCI Club February 6, 2015 11:56 PM GMT
Aso @ 50/1 for me.
Report CVByrne February 7, 2015 12:30 AM GMT
Backed Bordoni in the Galway Hurdle (tweeted that) and lto (site), feel there is a race in him so was always going to follow him. Feel BallyBolly is sneaking in, NTD targets this race and the Dec Gold Cup every year. Also Noc put a good case in his email and I've massive respect for his opinions.

But as tweeted Goodwood is my main bet e/w. I also think Sign of a Victory may be the classy horse here, need him onside.

£30 e/w Goodwood 25/1
£20 Sign of a Victory 12/1
£5 Bordoni 100.0
£5 Ballybolly 36.0
Report CVByrne February 7, 2015 12:37 AM GMT
Alleged, there isn't just one horse who is value in a big handicap, there are many. The differing stake levels of the backable horses accounts for how much I fancy their chances in relation to their price. Dig up last years betfair hurdle thread and see who my main pick was and who my secondary one was.

Noc asked me to do an analysis on more than one bet in the same race and it came out as more profitable to not stick to one bet than to force yourself to just back one. After all £5 @ 100.0 on a horse you believe should be in the 20/1 region is always worth it.
Report gamerawins February 7, 2015 3:20 AM GMT
I make it even money that Henderson, Nicholls or Ferguson will win it. Vasco du Ronceray will not win it, so that leaves four horses @ evens v the field.

I'm absolutely certain that if you ran this a million times one of those 4 would win it 500k times.

I always respect your opinion CV and agree with you that NTD's horse has a squeak. Can't be having Goodwood Mirage though. He looks like a typical Jeremy to me i.e. flattering to deceive. With the exception of Our Conor, the Jeremy offspring are very disappointing. GM looks a typical dog to me. A solid lay on the place market imo.

Gl all.
Report timtin February 7, 2015 4:22 AM GMT
Made my final shortlist for this very competitive field(in random order):

1. VASCO DU RONCERAY has standout form being pitched at the highest level last seasons. His soft ground form looks very good being 7 lenghts behind Far West 2 seasons ago and beating last time out De Boitron by 5 lengths. Has a useful 3lb claimer on board and I see him getting involved @ E/W at 33/1

2. LIGHTENTERTAINMENT has climbed the ladder steadily but surely. His wins are by short margins however last time out he was in front of both Dell Arca and Royal Irish Hussar(admittedly receiving chunks of weights from them) but the handicapper only put him 5 pounds up for that. Its incredible to think he's still capable of more after already improving 34 pounds from the end of last season but I admit I don't know why but he always seem to find a bit more when put against better company. This one will either be in front at the finish or will finally get exposed and finish way down the line so WIN only @ 20/1

3. AMORE ALATO is a consistent type bar the aintree novices hurdle in which something went amiss. Has a very interesting form line behind Irving on level weights and also on todays soft ground. The 7lb claimer could be of huge help however she needs to get the fractions right up front, otherwise will finish out of placings. WIN only @ 25/1

4. CHIEFTAIN´S CHOICE was impressive on his last outings, handicapper penalised him 7 lb but could still have lots in hand considering his famous sire has produced so many top quality jumpers. He puts his best foot forward on soft conditions and is a live contender. Nice value as well @ 16/1 E/W
Report GI MAC February 7, 2015 7:14 AM GMT
spent a long time looking over this race; it is fiercely competative. I've narrowed it down too 6 horses

Sleepy Haven / Arzal / Balgarry / Forced Family Fun / Ebony Express / Ballybolley
Report GI MAC February 7, 2015 7:20 AM GMT
The official going is Soft / g to s in places. It's forecast to be a dry and breezy day, so its possible the going may change, worth keeping an eye on this as it will make a big difference to some.
Report sintonian February 7, 2015 9:05 AM GMT
Unoriginal but sticking with Actival eachway. Lightly raced enough to progress. I was a fan of Calipto but his defeat behind Tiger Roll was inexcusable for me, maybe he had wind problems but I couldn't touch him at the price.
Report CVByrne February 7, 2015 9:08 AM GMT
Also Clerk of Course said wind gets under the covers there unlike tracks so could be less holding than people might think.

good luck all, I'm off to Newbury today. :)
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 7, 2015 9:13 AM GMT
Cant see how Actival can beat Calipto but good luck sint.

CVB, i will be looking for a chap going mental if Bordoni wins today. I will be the chap going mental if either VDR or Ballybolley wins.

Good luck all.
Report CVByrne February 7, 2015 9:19 AM GMT
Good luck Sonko. We can both celebrate if Ballybolly wins
Report KipperRSA February 7, 2015 9:22 AM GMT
My betting revolves around these big handicaps and so far have nailed the winner in almost 80% of the races over the last 12 months. I agree that the best plan is to find value, a horse that hasnt shown its hand or on the basis of a recent win is still underestimated and back 3 or 4 at double figure odds or lump on one at single odds eg if in doubt, tea for two etc

Anyway on this race Im on these so good luck all

Violet Dancer, Amore Alato, Balgarry, Chieftains Choice
Report alleged22 February 7, 2015 9:31 AM GMT
just setting for newbury  meself Happy
Report alleged22 February 7, 2015 9:32 AM GMT
off*
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 7, 2015 9:32 AM GMT
Leaving at 11, as it is a 15 minute walk Cool
Report colupaul February 7, 2015 9:53 AM GMT
Savers on Wicklow Brave and Violet Dancer... good luck...
Report nocturnal February 7, 2015 10:47 AM GMT
Fine morning for racing......envious of CVB,A22 AND IBRA as newbury was once my local track,have a great day and a profitable one.

Devilish handicap with history of producing some good winners,some good cases made for plenty and like GI shortlist as long as you like.Gone with the lightweight/novice improver route,and the pin has fallen on Ballybolley.Same stable as last years winner,and won the same race at aintree that S O Ginge did,form going into today not quite as strong as that one,weighted accordingly.Regardless result,one for the video,plenty have been well beaten here but gone on to run well at the bigger meetings coming up.
GI stuck the winner up last year at 66/1,lets hope someboby covers todays winner in this thread.

Good Luck All.
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 7, 2015 11:00 AM GMT
My plan is coming together Excited
Report JOCI Club February 7, 2015 11:46 AM GMT
Had a quick run through of the trends, and this is what it came up with:

Chieftain´s Choice 88%
Forced Family Fun 88%
On Tour    87%

Arzal 81%
Fascino Rustico    80%
Sign Of A Victory 79%
Amore Alato 79%
Activial 78%
Aso 78%
Ballybolley 74%
Wicklow Brave 74%
Bordoni    73%
Balgarry 73%
Jolly´s Cracked It 73%
Calipto    72%
Pine Creek 71%
Vasco Du Ronceray 69%
Ebony Express 67%
Violet Dancer 67%
Goodwood Mirage    66%
Sleepy Haven 55%
Cheltenian 50%
Swing Bowler 47%
Lightentertainment 44%
Report colupaul February 7, 2015 11:59 AM GMT
Good to see Arzal up there JOCI...
Report GI MAC February 7, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
Qewy win just now gives Aso's claims a boost
Report FELTFAIR February 7, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
Apart from Sleepy Haven I`ve just had a little on Calipto e-w. Like Sonko can see no reason why Actival should reverse form with the Nicholl`s runner though stranger things have happened.
Report GI MAC February 7, 2015 2:14 PM GMT
Looks like decent ground, which rules out a few from my shortlist, but it will suit Ballybolly who I've backed. It may be that Sleepy Haven has reached his peak mark and doesn't have anything more to come, but 80/1 is a huge price for a young progressive sort so needs backed. I have those two and my antipost punt on Ebony Express running for me.

GL everyone.
Report gamerawins February 7, 2015 2:29 PM GMT
Any word on why they puled out Sign of a Victory?
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! February 7, 2015 2:50 PM GMT
It was a lame excuse

Wink
Report Benjy February 7, 2015 3:16 PM GMT
40s e/w on Cheltenian a small play for interest for me.
Report FELTFAIR February 7, 2015 3:18 PM GMT
Barry Geraghty was expressing ground concerns on the Morning Line this morning.
Report gamerawins February 7, 2015 3:28 PM GMT
Honestly, I will go absolutely ballistic if they have pulled this horse out because of the ground. I can assure you the race will be won in less than 10 seconds above standard. The ground is gd/sft! They said they would run so long as it was not worse than soft.
Report unclepuncle February 7, 2015 3:41 PM GMT
Richard JohnsonCry
Report Benjy February 7, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
Johnson done nothing wrong there tbh, no chance he'd have won their whoever was riding.

I'll take the place.
Report Benjy February 7, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
Few mentioned the winner above. WD lads.
Report unclepuncle February 7, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
Think if he jumped the last well it would have been close.
Report Benjy February 7, 2015 3:51 PM GMT
He's exhausted and just plugging on regardless at that stage for me, very similar to last year.
Report sintonian February 7, 2015 3:57 PM GMT
Well done winners.

Ground dried a bit too much for Activial over this trip but he ran a solid race. He looks more progressive than Calipto.
Report sintonian February 7, 2015 3:57 PM GMT
Wd Benjy.
Report KipperRSA February 7, 2015 4:11 PM GMT
I love it when an analysis comes together
Report nocturnal February 7, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
Got that wrong with Ballybolley......never in the race at business end.
WP kipper/Bengy and all winners
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 7, 2015 8:10 PM GMT
Well done benjy and any other winners.

Front runners day at newbury today.
Report IrisDeBalme February 8, 2015 12:24 AM GMT
well done if you had this horse it was a very tricky handicap and you certainly deserve the dough ...

for me - i didnt think it had a chance in hell to win!
Report KipperRSA February 8, 2015 10:21 AM GMT
KipperRSA • January 31, 2015 11:58 PM GMT
Violet Dnacer been kept under the radar for this, hope it gets in
Report nocturnal February 8, 2015 12:40 PM GMT
Kipper.....Do you know the stable?

Long been been admirer of this trainer,he does really well with limited ammunition,surprised he does not get more talent from bigger owners.
As mentioned before,always worth looking at those in behind,few got hampered and theres a couple that would certainly have been closer,staying on well once their chance had gone,cheltenian looks good yardstick.
Report gamerawins February 10, 2015 6:01 PM GMT
Sign of a Victory entered for Kingwell @ Wincanton next Saturday. Would seem to indicate that he was pulled out for ground/weight concerns last week.

Absolutely unbelievably stupid. Henderson is a genius and one of the best trainers ever. He sure knows how to get a horse ready, but when it comes to the finer points of the handicap system and the effects of weight he really knows nothing. He would rather be off levels against horses of the same rating or higher than give a few pounds to inferior animals. If you are well handicapped you are well handicapped and top weight on what was good ground will not negate that, especially against much weaker opposition. Not to mention that the pace was so much more likely to be fast in the Betfair than in what will be a 4 or 5 runner race next Saturday. This horse is much better in a big field with a fast pace so he can settle. Also the ground is likely to be softer @ Wincantion. The ground @ Newbury was bordering on good as evidenced by the times for the day. Also there was of course zero evidence to begin with that SOAV needs it good as he is actually bred to prefer it soft.

Honestly, this was just so incredibly stupid by Henderson. That is a Paddy Power and now a Betfair Hurdle they have thrown away this season due to having little clue about the handicap system and being obsessed with beliefs from 20 or 50 years ago that weight means everything and casting it in stone with little or no evidence that horses have specific ground requirements. Stuck in the dark ages.
Report Workforce February 10, 2015 11:55 PM GMT
More pertinent is the fact The Master of Seven Brandies continues to employ Andrew Tinkler as a "jockey" at his yard. Said passenger will apparently be getting the leg up on Saturday on SOAV. Always amazes me how the best trainers can be the poorest judges of jockeys: Gosden (Mckay/Havlin), Cecil (Queally), Nicholls (Schofield) etc.
Report gamerawins February 11, 2015 1:21 AM GMT
Fair enough I went on a bit of a rant there. I just find it so difficult to understand how someone so obviously gifted could be so blind in some areas.
Report gamerawins February 11, 2015 1:34 AM GMT
@ Workforce: I agree re; above jocks, particularly Schofield (e.g. the ride he gave Rolling Aces in the Grand Sefton was incredible, he totally left it behind by sitting up on the horse from 4 out and only riding a race after the last). I also consider D Jacob to be far superior to STD. Sure Jacob showed a lot of immaturity especially after the Southfield Theatre ride at Cheltenham. Can't behave like that in a big job, not to mention that that kind of immaturity will spill into other areas. But as a pilot I would have him ahead of STD any day when my money is down. Overall Nicholls made a mistake imo
Report FELTFAIR February 11, 2015 9:05 AM GMT
Strange what bad judges of jockeys Gosden, Nicholls,Cecil etc. Joke?
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