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Howdy FatoteSport, last year Bet:365 were the best regarding Hong Kong prices. I backed Military Attack last year at 7-1EW on the Saturday before the race, very early Sunday morning he was 14-1 with them because the Hong Kong punters didn't want to back him. For some reason they seem to be hooked up into the Hong Kong market, whilst our other bookies are not. It worked out well for me last year as I backed MA at 14-1EW as well but also got paid out at the bigger price on my earlier bet. I would keep an eye on their prices if you are looking at horses the Hong Kong punters are not backing... especially just before the race.
Hopefully Oddschecker will sort out the gremlins which are screwing up the QEII Cup market on their website, absolute joke today.  Great draws for the more fancied runners and Military Attack is back on my radar especially after his Thursday track work. The Magic Man reckons he's in better form than he was before he won the Hong Kong Gold Cup and John Moore thinks he's recovered well from his Dubai trip which is great news. I really hope the locals don't back him and his price drifts a bit more than the current 4-1. I've gone full circle but as you say HK there shouldn't be any excuses from gate 4, I'm going to keep the faith and back MA even though the stats are against him. I agree with you about Uncoiled HK, not a great draw for his style of racing. He will more than likely get boxed in from gate 1 but you never know. I still think he's a big price and will more than likely have a little EW bet on him as well. I still think Epiphaneia is a stupid price and not sure why he's so short. I will be very surprised if he's got the pace for this race/trip. |
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Guys,
I keep reverting to the replay of the last DOR run, if he puts up the same show or improved, (not having a hard Dubai race) where does that put him, in your far more educated opinion? Incidentally, the HKJC website is simply outstanding, I was looking at the May card and form guide info for Gordon Lord Byron's race - If only the English provided such detailed info - they have the 365 Gold Cup at Sandown in less than 40 hours and there is still no final card let alone form guide as has been provided on the HK website! |
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Kingchip - you'd love the TV coverage here (I only understand the English progs), but on race days every runner in every race is analysed by the team of experts, they have one lady in the parade ring going over how the horses look and walk etc with 2 guys also commenting from the box - all very informed and the night before they have a prog to analyse every race too. Though I must add only having 2 meetings a week does make it easier.
As to DOR - he is obviously a very good horse (good 2yo form in Ireland) he won't be beaten for not giving his all, he looks like a right battler with a lot of class and Moore thinks he's a proper G1 horse. MrD - I think DOR will be hit by the locals, recently Derby winners have gone off fav in this race, they have a bad record too with only 2 recent winners - Ambitious Dragon and Vengeance of Rain who were both well above average, 16 out of the last 19 derby winners have raced in the same year, Moore does rate DOR very highly though so perhaps he is in the AD bracket? If MA hadn't run in Dubai I would be all over backing him now, but this Dubai stat is really putting me off - but then if he hadn't gone to Dubai he would be a lot shorter than 4-1 (which is a good price for the top rated horse in the race). |
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This is also interesting
http://www.hkjc.com/english/corporate/racing_news_item.asp?in_file=/english/news/2014-04/news_2014042301035.html |
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Amber and Able Friend on the same card at Ascot June 17th - what a prospect. Hopefully the ground will be right for them....
Thanks for the info. |
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MrD - as expected, early price is 2.3 DOR and $6 for MA. I think my bet is going to be MA at that price with a cover bet on Vercingtorix.
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I thought that would be the case HK, the locals love backing the Derby winner in this.
MA is 9-2 at the moment with B365, I'm hoping he drifts a bit more. When he does I will be on. I'm still debating whether to back Uncoiled as well, I've really liked his track work this week but now we are closer to the race I'm having doubts. I will wait and see what his price is tomorrow. Has it been dry over there today HK? My Windows Weather App forecasted thunderstorms! Any moisture in the ground would be a big plus for MA IMO. |
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It has rained a bit today, nothing too bad though - there may be some tomorrow too. I'd back MA now at 9-2, he's shortening on hkjc and I have a feeling he may get shorter tomorrow as the magic man has some chances early on so you could see some all up money going on to MA. I'm getting more confident about MA - if he is $5 tomorrow at the off I may have one of my biggest ever bets in HK on him.
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Super duper, OK HK I will back him now. B365 are best price guaranteed so if he does go off at a bigger price I will not lose out.
 I'm more confident about MA with rain around. I think they will be backing Epiphaneia as well, mainly because of the trainer/jockey combo. |
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No rain this morning, lovely sunny day, but there could be showers this afternoon.
GL with what ever you back (Lucky Nine is running in the race before today along with Rich Tapestry and Frederick Engels) - will be back tomorrow as won't be home after the races, the Liverpool Chelsea game kicks off at 9pm so it's going to be a long day - 22 of us in a box. MA is still $6 on HKJC, though the win pool only has HKD 400k in at the moment. |
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Gutted with that, I thought MA had it won but DOR battled back to win on the line.
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DOR did exactly as expected........sorry about your bets on MA....
Good luck guys. |
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Still gutted, I was counting my winnings when MA went past us....DOR is a decent animal! Always this Sunday to get it back in the G1 champions mile race....Able Friend, Gold Fun and Glorious Days - add in a returning California Memory, going to be a good race.
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Fair play Kingchip, DOR stays very well and I can understand John Moore stepping him up in trip (1m 4f) for his next race. He could be even better over this distance, the way he races suggests he will IMO!
When MA hit the front I thought he would stretch away HK and win but once again Tommy Berry got the better of the Magic Man.  I bet he's sick of the sight of them pair now. Great effort by MA with all the travelling he had to do, he's tough and proved his Dubai World Cup run was all wrong and a none event. Singapore next and he will be hard to beat if he gets another good draw.Able Friend looks like he's got a massive chance in the Mile but I was very impressed with Gold Fun's run last time... very classy race. |
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Able Friend in 14, Gold Fun 2 and Douglas is on GF and not Glorious Days......I'm hoping to get MA losses back with AF, but my confidence is lower now he's been drawn in the river!!
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Do the low boxes have that much advantage?
Very interested to hear you thoughts on Dan Excel from box 7? Last weeks winning team berry/moore - a trip that suits and no ground worries - 20/1 looks huge to me considering. The other I like is Gold Fun 9/2. If AF was drawn better, it would be a lump-on for me, he still might win but he has a lot to do from 14 at a full pace G1 speed, will he have the time to do it? Can you elaborate on the jockey switch you mention on GF, below please? Regards, KC |
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If you look at the stats you'd have to say no major advantage! The trainers do make quite a lot of noise about it though, Glorious Days won the Intl mile in dec from 13 sp it can't have been that bad. I think Whyte would have had the choice between him and Gold Fun and chose GF so that should be an indication as Whyte has ridden him in every race bar the once.
I'm with you on DE - he's got good form in good races over this trip and is good ew value, think this week the magic man will get some compensation though, could be a Moore forecast. Think I'll do a AF win (I'm chasing losses) and a Quinn on AF & DE plus GF for the trio GL |
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Just noticed AF is 9-4, I'm pretty sure he'll be a lot shorter on hkjc. Think that's a massive price for him over his best distance - he beat DOR over this trip!
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Good luck,
9/4 with 365,. Also did Dan e.w at 20/1 Hope it all goes to plan.. |
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Not too pleased with that draw for Able Friend and I'm going to give him a miss in this one. A bit short for me now but I probably would have been a backer if he'd been drawn lower! He does look a top prospect and his form with DOR is rock solid but there are a few runners in the race this year and he might struggle to get a good position.
I really liked Gold Fun's run last time out and his run in the HK Mile but he's a bit short for an EW bet and I'm not that confident he will win. If he's a bigger price on Sunday I might change my mind. I have a bit of a soft spot for Dan Excel and have backed him a few times over the years, he's such a tough honest horse you just cannot help but like him. The race last year played into his hands and suited his style but there are more runners this year and I don't think he will be able to fend them off this time from the front. On the plus side he's got Tommy Berry on board and a decent draw but I think this race is tougher than the one he won last year. The one I'm going to back is Mshawish EW, I followed him last year and was glad to see him stay in training because I've always felt he needs really quick ground to show his best and he never got it in France. His runs in Dubai this year have been good winning the Zabeel Mile easily and he then ran well from a terrible position in the Duty Free (no run/got blocked/Dettori) to finish 4th... again. Mshawish has got a super draw in 6 and a good jock this time so at 20-1 EW he will do for me, hopefully the track will ride like last week and if it does I can see him running very well. Good luck with ya bets lads, this is going to be a cracker. |
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GL MrD.
I think Moore knows where he is with AF vs Gold Fun as he rates AF much more than DE. IF AF was drawn lower he'd be a lot shorter (I think he'll be much shorter on the day), though the locals may lump on GF again as they did in december as he's got supposedly a much better draw. This is the draw data though - 14 has the highest % place stat (from fewer runs) http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/Info/meeting/Draw/english/Local/20140504/ST#race9 Also fingers crossed for a decent run from California Memory. |
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I admit HK I get swayed by the draw a bit to easily and have paid the price a few times over the years. I'm not saying he cannot win from 14 but for me to back a horse at his current price I need every box ticked.
The confidence John Moore has shown in Able Friend is infectious and it's hard to ignore. He is not the kind of trainer to say things for nothing. AB has looked awesome and has got the potential to be one of the world's best milers. I get the feeling JM thinks AB is better than DOR and that's probably a good enough reason to back him tomorrow but I haven't got the balls to from that tricky draw! I will be more than happy to see him win, hopefully Royal Ascot will be next if he does.  Good luck HK and have a great day. |
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If it was 1200m race then no way would I touch anything that wide in a G1, his early show on hkjc is evens so 9-4 is very good if still available.
Unfotuntunately won't be there tomorrow as I'm still under house arrest after last Sunday!! |
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I feel your pain HK!!!
Another G3 winner from the Al Quoz Sprint (7th). 6th (Hamza) and 7th (Sole Power) both won G3 races now at Newmarket, looking good for Amber Sky if he comes over.  |
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Just watched Sole Power win easily - very good for Amber Sky indeed
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AF is 1-2 on HKJC
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Amber Sky 5-1 for the Kings Stand.
Bloody hell, they are backing AF big time. The locals don't care about the draw HK... fair play!  |
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I think Ascot may well stretch him a bit, very stiff 5f - but he is classy
There's only HK$ 500k in the win pool at the moment so a fair bit to go yet. |
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The ground is never quick on the first day either at Royal Ascot, another COC who likes to get his watering cannons out.
OK, do you think they will get stuck into AF tomorrow HK? |
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I think if you can take 9-4 still get on it as I'd be surprised if he's bigger than evens now, lord knows what price he'd be if he was drawn in one of the middle gates!!
What are you on for the 2000? I've been tipped Vorda for the 1000 tomorrow - mate of a mate knows someone in the operation and apparently they are quite sweet on her. |
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I backed Noozhoh Canarias and Charm Spirit EW a few weeks ago. I will be happy if one gets placed.
Trip a worry for me regarding Vorda, I haven't backed anything in the 1000 yet, looks wide open. |
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Im on Toormore just for interest only ew
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Hi chaps. Any ideas if amber sky is still coming over for the kings stand?
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IMPRESSIVE Al Quoz Sprint winner Amber Sky, the 5-1 favourite for the King's Stand Stakes at Royal Ascot next month, will not run, according to trainer Ricky Yiu.
The son of Exceed And Excel emerged as one of the division's leading sprinters when powering to victory at Meydan in March and would have likely been a major player at the royal meeting. However, he will have some time off as connections plot their next move. "We won't go to England - there are no alternative plans either," said Yiu, quoted by the South China Morning Post. "We are just giving him a rest and we will think about a plan for next season later." Last year's King's Stand first and second Sole Power and Shea Shea are next in the betting for the 5f Group 1. |
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Any updates on Shea Shea?
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Cheers BJG
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Big shame, was looking forward to amber sky coming over.
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I think they are going to give him another crack at 6f with the goal of the intl sprint in Dec.
Money back on Military Attack on Saturday, currently 6-4 MrD sent you a message |
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Yep, gutted with that news about Amber Sky but not that surprised.
The Al Quoz Sprint churned out another winner Sunday as well, Catcall won the G3 Prix de Saint-Georges at Longchamp easily. He loves Soft ground and if he got his conditions in the King's Stand I would give him a big chance. I might do the Lucky Nine/Military Attack double like last year HK. Draw is a big factor for me at Singapore so I will wait and see before betting. Cheers again for the info HK, I've replied. |
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Just looked at the King's Stand entries and Catcall is not entered, what a shame! I thought he was... I don't get why he's not.
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