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1/12-3 Prince De Beauchene35 10 11-12 W P Mullins 155 37 160
4PP-25 Junior168F 10 11-12 David Pipe 155 132 161
1P/2P- Imperial Commander245 12 11-10 Nigel Twiston-Davies 153 100 163
11U-03 Colbert Station13 9 11-9 T M Walsh 152 119 164
12U5-0 Big Fella Thanks35 11 11-8 Tom George 151 155 162
2P52-U Walkon42 8 11-8 Alan King 151 156 161
355U-4 Roberto Goldback35 11 11-8 Nicky Henderson 151 140 164
381-13 Triolo D´Alene35 6 11-4 Nicky Henderson 147 146 163
2710-5 Across The Bay35 9 11-3 Donald McCain 146 110 171
P1P1P- Master Overseer266 10 11-3 David Pipe 146 98 157
2P0-96 Join Together34 8 11-3 Paul Nicholls 146 155 165
15U-0P Terminal80 6 11-1 W P Mullins 144 138 162
530P- Planet Of Sound245 11 11-1 Philip Hobbs 144 109 163
F5-176 On His Own40 9 11-1 W P Mullins 144 140 157
2643-P Bostons Angel212 9 10-13 David Pipe 142 118 155
21372- Vesper Bell225 7 10-13 W P Mullins 142 126 163
1P-130 Lost Glory49 8 10-13 Jonjo O´Neill 142 125 161
3489-1 Ikorodu Road42 10 10-11 Matt Sheppard 140 141 160
1103-9 Wyck Hill35 9 10-11 David Bridgwater 140 145 163
14406- Swing Bill245 12 10-11 David Pipe 140 153 163
8917- Soll245 8 10-10 Jo Hughes 139 134 162
421-01 Midnight Appeal24 8 10-10 Alan King 139 145 161
P2-441 Kruzhlinin28 6 10-9 Donald McCain 138 125 162
F51-12 Sizing Australia21 11 10-8 Henry De Bromhead 137 75 154
11U13/ Baby Run959 13 10-7 Nigel Twiston-Davies 136 — —
F0498- Chance Du Roy233 9 10-6 Philip Hobbs 135 154 161
60235 Pineau De Re21 10 10-6 Dr Richard Newland 135 133 172
72119F Gullible Gordon22 10 10-6 Peter Bowen 135 119 158
114P- Rose Of The Moon269 8 10-6 David O´Meara 135 102 160
P357P Sin Palo21 9 10-6 W P Mullins 135 111 155
P-3313 Storm Survivor56 7 10-5 Jonjo O´Neill 134 142 162
111P- Rich Revival250 9 10-5 Miss Elizabeth Doyle 134 101 160
1022-0 Chartreux80 8 10-5 Tom George 134 121 161
P2-457 Mr Moonshine14 9 10-4 Sue Smith 133 150 166
3P-03 Ace High14 9 10-3 David Pipe 132 67 163
5P-PP Halley34 6 10-1 Tom George 130 — —
P27P-2 Charingworth22 10 10-1 Kim Bailey 130 129 163
PF1P-6 Bennys Mist37 7 10-1 Venetia Williams 130 138 172
2B6-P5 There´s No Panic15 8 10-0 Paul Nicholls 129 146 168
5192-5 Ballyoliver28 9 10-0 Venetia Williams 129 145 163
541129 Ballybough Gorta21 6 10-0 Peter Bowen 129 139 163
90-P53 Any Currency22 10 9-12 Martin Keighley 127 159 167
424-3F Mac Aeda14 9 9-10 Malcolm Jefferson 125 137 161
4PP-25 Junior168F 10 11-12 David Pipe 155 132 161
1P/2P- Imperial Commander245 12 11-10 Nigel Twiston-Davies 153 100 163
11U-03 Colbert Station13 9 11-9 T M Walsh 152 119 164
12U5-0 Big Fella Thanks35 11 11-8 Tom George 151 155 162
2P52-U Walkon42 8 11-8 Alan King 151 156 161
355U-4 Roberto Goldback35 11 11-8 Nicky Henderson 151 140 164
381-13 Triolo D´Alene35 6 11-4 Nicky Henderson 147 146 163
2710-5 Across The Bay35 9 11-3 Donald McCain 146 110 171
P1P1P- Master Overseer266 10 11-3 David Pipe 146 98 157
2P0-96 Join Together34 8 11-3 Paul Nicholls 146 155 165
15U-0P Terminal80 6 11-1 W P Mullins 144 138 162
530P- Planet Of Sound245 11 11-1 Philip Hobbs 144 109 163
F5-176 On His Own40 9 11-1 W P Mullins 144 140 157
2643-P Bostons Angel212 9 10-13 David Pipe 142 118 155
21372- Vesper Bell225 7 10-13 W P Mullins 142 126 163
1P-130 Lost Glory49 8 10-13 Jonjo O´Neill 142 125 161
3489-1 Ikorodu Road42 10 10-11 Matt Sheppard 140 141 160
1103-9 Wyck Hill35 9 10-11 David Bridgwater 140 145 163
14406- Swing Bill245 12 10-11 David Pipe 140 153 163
8917- Soll245 8 10-10 Jo Hughes 139 134 162
421-01 Midnight Appeal24 8 10-10 Alan King 139 145 161
P2-441 Kruzhlinin28 6 10-9 Donald McCain 138 125 162
F51-12 Sizing Australia21 11 10-8 Henry De Bromhead 137 75 154
11U13/ Baby Run959 13 10-7 Nigel Twiston-Davies 136 — —
F0498- Chance Du Roy233 9 10-6 Philip Hobbs 135 154 161
60235 Pineau De Re21 10 10-6 Dr Richard Newland 135 133 172
72119F Gullible Gordon22 10 10-6 Peter Bowen 135 119 158
114P- Rose Of The Moon269 8 10-6 David O´Meara 135 102 160
P357P Sin Palo21 9 10-6 W P Mullins 135 111 155
P-3313 Storm Survivor56 7 10-5 Jonjo O´Neill 134 142 162
111P- Rich Revival250 9 10-5 Miss Elizabeth Doyle 134 101 160
1022-0 Chartreux80 8 10-5 Tom George 134 121 161
P2-457 Mr Moonshine14 9 10-4 Sue Smith 133 150 166
3P-03 Ace High14 9 10-3 David Pipe 132 67 163
5P-PP Halley34 6 10-1 Tom George 130 — —
P27P-2 Charingworth22 10 10-1 Kim Bailey 130 129 163
PF1P-6 Bennys Mist37 7 10-1 Venetia Williams 130 138 172
2B6-P5 There´s No Panic15 8 10-0 Paul Nicholls 129 146 168
5192-5 Ballyoliver28 9 10-0 Venetia Williams 129 145 163
541129 Ballybough Gorta21 6 10-0 Peter Bowen 129 139 163
90-P53 Any Currency22 10 9-12 Martin Keighley 127 159 167
424-3F Mac Aeda14 9 9-10 Malcolm Jefferson 125 137 161
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BECHER CHASE
Saturday 7th December 2013ALL ODDS Favourites:On His Own (12), Prince De Beauchene (12), Triolo Dalene (12), Bostons Angel (14), Colbert Station (14), Join Together (16), Walkon (16), Wyck Hill (16), Ace High (20), Chance Du Roy (20), Kruzhlinin (20), Master Overseer (20), Planet Of Sound (20), Rich Revival (20), Roberto Goldback (20), Soll (20), Storm Survivor (20), Across The Bay (25), Baby Run (25), Big Fella Thanks (25) |
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Bostons Angel an interesting one here.
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Walk On
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I really fancy Across the bay in this if the description soft is anywhere in the going come Saturday. He ran well for a long way in the national despite the ground being too quick for him. Over a shorter trip on soft ground he will go well and stands out at 25/1.
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Join Together is 2lb lower than when second last year, but that was behind a 13yo Hello Bud. Is 146 lenient enough for him to win?
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Thought Soll ran a cracking race in the National for one with so little chase experience. He's entered at Sandown too this weekend and remains one to keep an eye out for in staying chases this year, although possibly won't be seen to best effect until we get softer ground.
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Join Together ran a good raace in france a few weeks ago. He made one big blunder, that cost him plenty of energy imo.
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Chance du Roy has run very well at Aintree in the past but not sure he wants this distance. I would really fancy him for the Sefton. Maybe a year older will mean he stays and he is 13lb lower than when just beaten by Always Waining in the Topham.
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1 4PP-25 Junior168F b 10 11-12 David Pipe54 Liam Heard 155 132 161
2 2P52-U Walkon42 p 8 11-8 Alan King48 Wayne Hutchinson 151 156 161 3 12U5-0 Big Fella Thanks35 t 11 11-8 Tom George31 Paddy Brennan 151 155 162 4 355U-4 Roberto Goldback35 11 11-8 Nicky Henderson53 David Bass 151 140 164 5 2710-5 Across The Bay35 tp 9 11-3 Donald McCain48 Jason Maguire 146 110 171 6 2P0-96 Join Together34 b1 8 11-3 Paul Nicholls74 Ryan Mahon 146 155 165 7 F5-176 On His Own40 9 11-1 W P Mullins57 Paul Townend 144 140 157 8 530P- Planet Of Sound245 t 11 11-1 Philip Hobbs57 Richard Johnson 144 109 163 9 2643-P Bostons Angel212 tb 9 10-13 David Pipe54 Tom Scudamore 142 118 155 10 21372- Vesper Bell225 7 10-13 W P Mullins57 D J Casey 142 126 163 11 1103-9 Wyck Hill35 9 10-11 David Bridgwater71 140 145 163 12 14406- Swing Bill245 12 10-11 David Pipe54 Conor O'Farrell 140 153 163 13 3489-1 Ikorodu Road42 p 10 10-11 Matt Sheppard Charlie Poste 140 141 160 14 F51-12 Sizing Australia21 p 11 10-8 Henry De Bromhead67 A E Lynch 137 75 154 15 11U13/ Baby Run959 13 10-7 Nigel Twiston-Davies40 Sam Twiston-Davies 136 — — 16 60235 Pineau De Re21 10 10-6 Dr Richard Newland50 Brian Hughes 135 133 172 17 114P- Rose Of The Moon269 8 10-6 David O´Meara50 Jake Greenall3 135 102 160 18 F0498- Chance Du Roy233 9 10-6 Philip Hobbs57 Tom O'Brien 135 154 161 19 72119F Gullible Gordon22 tv 10 10-6 Peter Bowen40 Donal Devereux 135 119 158 20 1022-0 Chartreux80 tp 8 10-5 Tom George31 Alain Cawley 134 121 161 21 P-3313 Storm Survivor56 v 7 10-5 Jonjo O´Neill44 Richie McLernon 134 142 162 22 P2-457 Mr Moonshine14 9 10-4 Sue Smith70 Ryan Mania 133 150 166 23 PF1P-6 Bennys Mist37 7 10-1 Venetia Williams31 Aidan Coleman 130 138 172 24 541129 Ballybough Gorta21 p 6 10-0 Peter Bowen40 Robert Dunne3 129 139 163 |
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It's a wide open race, I'm on mr moonshine, loves the fences but didn't stay in the national, 33/1 +
 Rev fcast with walkon (thanks facts, glad to see ur still around) |
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10 year trends? Deffo need a recent run iirc.
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The Betfred Becher Handicap Chase, which takes place on Saturday 7th December, is a 3M 2F listed contest run over the Grand National fences. Twice since 2000, the winner of this race has gone on to win the Grand National (Amberleigh House and Silver Birch in a later season).
Below we take a look at the trends for the past 10 years: Age (Win-Place-Runners) 5yo: 0-1-2 6yo: 0-2-7 7yo: 1-2-16 8yo: 2-5-22 9yo: 3-7-43 10yo: 2-2-33 11yo: 0-6-19 12yo+: 2-0-14 7 of 10 winners were aged 8 to 10 though that age bracket accounted for 66.5% of total runners. The only horse aged below 8 to win this since 2003 was Silver Birch who subsequently won the Grand National. Only winner aged over 10 was Hello Bud in 2010 & 2012. Prior to his first win the race, he had finished 5th in previous season’s Becher Chase and also that year's Grand National. Weight (Win-Place-Runners) Horses carrying 10-9 or more: 5-11-71 Horses carrying 10-8 or less: 5-13-84 There are no very strong trends on the weights. Top Weight: F541FP155P (2-1-10) Horses racing from out of the handicap: 2-5-27 Horses racing from 7lbs or more out of the handicap: 0-1-8 Official Ratings Horses rated 143 to 157: 3-5-19 Horses rated 127 to 142: 5-15-104 Horses rated 112 to 126: 2-5-33 The last 8 winners were racing off marks between 130 to 148. Recent/Past Form 10 of 10 winners finished in the first 5 on their last completed start 10 of 10 winners had won over 2M4F+ 8 of 10 winners had won over 3M+ 7 of 10 winners had run in the last 45 days 10 of 10 winners made their racecourse debut in a NH race 7 of 10 winners (last 5) had run in at least 13 chases (3 exceptions trained by Paul Nicholls) 7 of 10 winners had previously run in at least 8 handicap chases (all 3 exceptions were trained by Paul Nicholls) 7 of 10 winners had won no more than 2 handicap chases (2 exceptions were Hello Bud who won it in 2010 & 2012) 6 of 10 winners were 4th or 5th season chasers (3 exceptions were trained by Paul Nicholls & other was Hello Bud winning it for second time) 8 of 10 winners had won a chase at class 2 or higher 5 of 10 winners had run over the National fences (3 of 5 exceptions were trained by Nicholls, 1 had won the Cork National and 1 had completed the last 2 Irish Nationals) Other Races 4 of 10 winners ran in that year's Grand National, finishing F5B7 2 of 10 winners ran in previous year’s Becher Chase, finishing 5U 3 of 3 Irish-trained winners ran in the Paddy Power Chase in December, finishing 042 3 of 3 Irish-trained winners ran in the previous year's Troytown, finishing 764 2 of 3 Irish-trained winners ran in the Leopardstown Handicap Chase, finishing 44 2 of 3 Irish-trained winners ran in the Irish Grand National, finishing P8 2 of 3 Irish-trained winners ran in the Pat Taaffe Handicap Chase, finishing 02 3 of 7 British-trained winners ran in Haydock Grand National Trial, finishing P8P 3 of 7 British-trained winners ran in Classic Chase, finishing 115 Racing Style 8 of 10 winners raced prominently with leaders throughout Trainers Paul Nicholls (3-5-16) has trained the winner three times in the past 9 years and had the runner-up in 4 of the other 6. Nigel Twiston-Davies (2-0-9) saddled Hello Bud to win it in 2010 & 2012. Alan King (1-0-3) & Jonjo O’Neill (1-0-4) have each won the race once in the past 10 years. Peter Bowen (0-3-13) has saddled 3 places in past 10 years. Venetia Williams (0-1-1), Tom George (0-1-2), Sue Smith (0-1-4) & David Pipe (0-1-5) have each trained one placed finisher since 2003. Irish based trainers (3-2-26) have a good recent record, having won it 3 times in last 8 years. Price No strong trends on prices, though 7 of the last 10 winners have gone off at 10/1 or shorter. Favourites (2-2-11) have won 2 renewals in past 10 years & show a level stakes profit of 3.50. Summary: Based on trends from the past 10 years you are looking for a horse: - Aged 8 to 10 - Officially rated 130 to 148 - Finished in the first 5 on last completed start - Has run in the last 45 days - Won a class 2 or better chase over 2M 4F+ (ideally over 3M+) - Run at least 13 times over fences - Run in 10+ handicap chases (but won no more than 2) - 4th or 5th season chaser (or trained by Paul Nicholls) - Previous form over the National fences is a positive - Ran in Haydock Grand National Trial, Classic Chase and/or Grand National - Tends to race prominently - Trained by Paul Nicholls or Nigel Twiston-Davies - See more at: http://racecaller.com/horse-racing-forum/upcoming-big-races/becher-chase-trends-2013-1386112838#sthash.pQZG9p7H.dpuf |
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Across The Bay the obvious pick on trends it seems..
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Baby Run, 34.0. on here, worth a punt. Likes the course, a joy to watch jumping around here. Older horse, but he's missed a couple of years, they tend to get under-bet. Stable does well in this race.Apparently looking well on gallops.
Fear Across The Bay, Colldog's choice at 25's a good call. |
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Yep, I like Baby Run. Remember POS giving Johnson a great spin in the National two years ago til stamina burnt out, if the horse still has some drive in him. Reckon ground might be a bit on the quick side for ATB.
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yep POS interesting if back to somewhere near his best.
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I backed Rose of the Moon 1st time out last year at Wetherby and don't think I saw a horse jump better than that did all season. His record after a lay off is fabulous (never out of 1st two), clearly you don't know if if it handles the hurly burly of a race like this, but much too big for me at 36!!
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I like Storm Survivor best and will back him ew in the morning.
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just seen Storm Survivor is PW selection, now wishing I'd backed him yesterday when there was 25/1 available instead of waiting, does my head in.
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Pineau De Re would be my token pick but i'm staying out of this one.
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Just a quickie but Bennys Mist for me. Good luck all.
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roberto goldback for me
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planet of sound
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Love a little punt on the National course myself for a bit fun.
With the ground now soft: a small ew on Wyck Hill for me. The same on Midnight Appeal in the Sefton. Gd luck all  |
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Walkon & POS taken out, must be the ground. Rule 4's unless on ante-post.
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Chartreux & Chance Du Roy both ew for me
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Well, watched the race without having had a bet, and it looked to me like Paddy Brennan had no intention of winning on Big Fella Thanks.
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wd Sageform, Gi Mac. Unlucky Baby Run backers.
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its a travesty the way the National fences have been made to be no more than hurdles covered with loose spruce. Horses were going through the top of these fences with no halt to their progress. The Grand National has been ruined by do gooders imo.
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Had to miss the race live but great to see the last mile on replay. I did back him ante post but had some more SP which was a bit skinny at 14/1. The owner Daphne Du Pre has been a friend for many years and is a very lucky owner.
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spot on facts...
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One of those days today after a mediocre run lately. Came back from a village party at 2.30 and see all my betting accounts rising steadily. Sire de Grugy the latest so just need Midnight Appeal for a 6 timer now.
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gl sageform
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Well done Sage, GI.,
The fences aren't the same, but still enjoyed the race. Baby Run would have fell 3 out a few years back. If horses aren't dying, I'm being won over. |
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Nice priced 3rd - well done.Walk On a NR unfortunately  |
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I am old school and we have lost the greatest race in the world- no question those races today are a pale shadow of the Aintree of old the bastards have got their way but here are some interesting facts fatlities from 1839 up until the fences were first modified from upright to sloping on the take off side 59 in 150 years from 1959 up up until bechers was filled in in 1990 18 in 31 years from 1991 up to present date 21 in 23 years interesting don't you think, the faster they made the course the fatalities rise at an alarming rate I watched my first national in 1961 as a young boy every year I got a great buzz as the national approached sadly as I near 58 the buzz has gone and so has the GRAND NATIONAL
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