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05 Jun 13
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This race could really break up could easily see it having less than 8 runners with so many uncertain plans for horses that have been entered. For me this had a very similar make up to the Canford cliffs vs Goldikova match up of a couple of years back.
I have taken plenty of the animal kingdom ante-post, the horse clocked a very good time when flying home in the breeders cup after a disrupted passage. Wise Dan certainly got the better run of the race with AK being shuffled back early on, finding trouble when first attempting to get going 2f from home and then charging home late. Wise Dan broke the track record in the race and i felt AK would have been a good deal closer had he had the same run, good / good to firm ground seems to be vital. Looks to be a bit of rain forecast next week but still should be good ground at a minimum before the start.
The other horse obviously to be worried about from my perspective is Farhh, who ran a really good race at Newbury. The problem I have with that form is the two horses in behind are rated 110 at best and I still feel Farrh is going to be better at 10f rather than 8f. This is a completely different test to Newbury and will be a much tougher race. I thought there was also still a possibility they go for the Prince of Wales which would be an added bonus.
Declearation of War looks much too short in the betting considering he wasn't good enough at Newbury when he looked beaten fair and square. His form in Ireland isn't great, appears to want softer than good ground and in any case I think he is 15 pounds off what is needed to win this race.
Didn't necessarily want to make firm conclusions on any of the rest until the 5 day decs but I could see most of them dropping away. That most improved is 4th favourite says it all about the likely strenght in depth of the race.
Be interesting to know the thoughts of those on here
I have taken plenty of the animal kingdom ante-post, the horse clocked a very good time when flying home in the breeders cup after a disrupted passage. Wise Dan certainly got the better run of the race with AK being shuffled back early on, finding trouble when first attempting to get going 2f from home and then charging home late. Wise Dan broke the track record in the race and i felt AK would have been a good deal closer had he had the same run, good / good to firm ground seems to be vital. Looks to be a bit of rain forecast next week but still should be good ground at a minimum before the start.
The other horse obviously to be worried about from my perspective is Farhh, who ran a really good race at Newbury. The problem I have with that form is the two horses in behind are rated 110 at best and I still feel Farrh is going to be better at 10f rather than 8f. This is a completely different test to Newbury and will be a much tougher race. I thought there was also still a possibility they go for the Prince of Wales which would be an added bonus.
Declearation of War looks much too short in the betting considering he wasn't good enough at Newbury when he looked beaten fair and square. His form in Ireland isn't great, appears to want softer than good ground and in any case I think he is 15 pounds off what is needed to win this race.
Didn't necessarily want to make firm conclusions on any of the rest until the 5 day decs but I could see most of them dropping away. That most improved is 4th favourite says it all about the likely strenght in depth of the race.
Be interesting to know the thoughts of those on here
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Good write up angel glad you put it up was going to put it up myself...here was a write up on the horse if people hadn't read it...shame if farhh misses the race for me but until we know he is definite non runner i am holding fire as missed the 5's on animal when the book opened
BY PETER SCARGILL 6:44PM 4 JUN 2013 ANIMAL KINGDOM was on Tuesday cut to 2-1 (from 5-2) by Ladbrokes to land the Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot in two weeks as he continues to delight connections with his preparation for racing's most glamourous meeting. Trained by Graham Motion for Team Valor, Animal Kingdom is adding yet another layer of international competition to Royal Ascot, which is also set to feature runners from Australia, South Africa, France and Germany, with the US-trained Dubai World Cup winner bang on target for the opening race of the fixture. The 2011 Kentucky Derby winner, who is staying with David Lanigan in Lambourn, impressed many in a workout over the final four furlongs of the Queen Anne course at Ascot last week and hardened as favourite for the race with connections of chief rival Farhh considering a shot at the Prince of Wales's Stakes instead. RELATED LINKS Queen Anne card Queen Anne betting Free bets Speaking from his base in the US, Motion said on Tuesday: "So far everything is going well and he has come out of his Ascot workout in great shape. He's going to do another piece of work tomorrow which I won't be there for, but I'll be over for his final piece next week." Motion was on hand to watch Animal Kingdom at Ascot last week but has mainly been monitoring the progress of his star from the US. He said: "Being in such a large country we're used to running satellite yards so I'm used to it this way, and it's such a neat thing to be involved with I'm just so excited about it." The trainer has also been keeping a close eye on the weather and is hoping the sunshine and warm temperatures continue up until the start of the royal fixture. He added: "I'd like the weather to stay the way it is at the moment, but I know what the weather is like so I know there's a chance it's going to rain before the day. So far everything is going to plan and I just wish the race was next week and not two weeks away." |
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Not sure Farhh will be better at 10f - has never actually won over the trip in its career.
It would be logical to send Farhh over the straight mile at Rotal Ascot which he has proved he excels at - but with Sheikh Mo having an interest in AK,I can see it heading for the Prince of Wales, (which looks wide open). |
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I'm with Bosra on this......the sheik mo part ownership probably means these two never meet.....at least we should get cracking odds in the POW....Al Kazeem probably making the market and it's not like Farhh has desperate form over 10f....felt last year he was just missing a few things from his game...he's a lot stronger and more professional this year...
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Had the same thoughts, I've been backing Animal Kingdom and am waiting for him in a decent multiple too, hoping the Sheikh would keep Farhh in the other race.
Got absolutely no idea what else is going to turn up in the race, it's one of those that looks just far too simple and now you're half expecting something to go wrong. |
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Obviously the price on Animal Kingdom has collapsed, I thought about waiting a couple of days before pilling in but glad I didn't wait as others obviously had the same idea. I agree tucho, I just stared at the list of entrants and couldn't see what else was certain to turn up. I can honestly see there being 6 runners and AK being 5/4 or 11/10 on the day if Farrh goes to the POW.
My thoughts on Farrh being better at 10f come purely from the race at York which I honestly feel is his best performance on form, beating SNA a head is top class run as I also feel that SNA has been hard done by on official ratings. I am no way discounting him, as to be fair the Newbury race was a excellent time, even if I don't feel the runner up and 3rd are up to the highest standard |
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Cityscape seems to be the forgotten horse here and an e/w steal at 20/1.
His last run was too bad to be true with fast ground the apparent reason for this very bad run. With the weather forecast next week seemingly unsettled, I'm hoping for good ground and a much better run. Animal Kingdom and Farhh (who looks likes running in POW) aside, it seems a weak looking renewal. Trade Storm (who appears to have significantly improved from 3 - 4) and Giofra deserve respect but based on last years form, Cityscape looks to have an outstanding chance of placing and potentially winning if things drop his way. |
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Farhh will hack up in this race if he runs. AK should really run in the PoW but this looks an easier opportunity to bag a European G1 so they'll probably send Farhh to the 10f race.
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Cityscape sadly will not be running in the Queen Anne Stakes as he was slightly jarred up after the Lockinge and we will wait a little longer with him.
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money yesterday suggested farhh pow, today looks queen anne
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Farhh is out of Rascot,lame this morning.
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Posted 08 June 2013, 10:10 GMT
Farhh was found to be lame behind after routine exercise on the morning of Saturday, June 8 and will miss his engagement at Royal Ascot. Simon Crisford, the Godolphin racing manager, said: "Unfortunately, Farhh is lame today and cannot run at Royal Ascot. "It is not possible to make plans for him at the moment but hopefully he will be back on the racecourse later this season." Farhh was the impressive winner of the JLT Lockinge Stakes on his return to action this year on May 18 at Newbury. He was entered in two Group One races at Royal Ascot, the mile Queen Anne Stakes on Tuesday, June 18 and the 10-furlong Prince Of Wales's Stakes on Wednesday, June 19. |
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Seems to be an awful lot of Godolphin horses that end up on the injury list.
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This race AP movement has been the only high point of my month although couldn't have predicted Farhh would be withdrawn. I can see AK going off at something like 8/11 on now, he could be 10 pounds clear of anything else that runs in the race. Looks a very weak race now excluding the fav.
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I was very keen on AK after his run in Dubai but his price is way too short now for a horse who has never run in this country. I'd rather have a decent EW bet on something where if the horse is placed the pay out is better than backing AK to win. I took 25/1 about Trade Storm as he seems to be improving and he doesn't have much to find, if anything, against the likes of Declaration Of War, Most Improved, Aljamaaheer or Sovereign Debt.
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Fav looks a bit of a banker for the race now, as long as the ground is g/f.
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yeah will be watching the weather closely.
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AK an awful price now
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On what basis should he be bigger tho? Opposition is shocking i think
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Personally I think AK is a fair price but I just don't get involved with odds on shots.
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yeah will be watching the weather closely
they're watering the course again tomorrow  i thought they were predicting an unsettled week with a bit of rain |
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@BJG, I honestly think he should be even shorter. I know there are lots out there that don't like odds on shots but in all honesty I could make a case for him being 4/6 on or shorter, you start taking out all the likely non-runners and I could only get to an 85% book with the current view of who was going to turn up. This is a top class animal taking on Group 2 horses.
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@tucho, this would be my only concern the race
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agree the opposition looks like being weak but he's never won over a mile (OK, only tried twice and second both times), is only 2/4 on turf (yes, Ascot not dissimilar to AWT these days), won't have encountered similar ground before and is racing in an alien environment (yep, been here a while and well traveled).
Question is, what can beat him? I hope Gosden runs Elusive Kate. |
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@Rease Heath, you have posed all the right questions with regards to AK, we should find out today what if anything will be the opposition. I am not blind to the possibility of an e/w steal somewhere in the market but I couldn't be confident about finding any certain runners. We may well know more in 2 hours or so.
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Elusive Kate has the G1 form in the book and looks the pick of the rest after AK. Does anyone know is Gosden plans to run her in this ?
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Animal Kingdom is set to face a formidable challenger in the Queen Anne Stakes after Elusive Kate was confirmed a "very likely runner".
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sorry must be going blind in me old age,didn't see this thread and started another,again i apologize
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Paddy money back if fav wins, guessing ton max
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Max refund: E100/£100 per customer. Applies to win singles and the win part of each way singles only. Applies to bets placed from 12pm, on June 12th. Does not apply to extra racing markets or betting in-running. Does not apply to Tote bets. there you are paul |
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Cheers sj, in shops as well? or just online?
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Elusive Kate could now be set to swerve Animal Kingdom in Tuesday's Queen Anne Stakes and head for the Duke of Cambridgeshire Stakes a day later.
Not seen since finishing third behind Excelebration in last October's Queen Elizabeth II Stakes on Champions Day, John Gosden's filly has the option of tackling her own sex in the Duke of Cambridge Stakes, formerly known as the Windsor Forest. Patrick Barbe, racing manager for Japanese owner Teruya Yoshida, felt the Queen Anne was the more likely destination when contacted on Thursday morning but, after speaking with Gosden later in the day, is now unsure. Barbe said: "There might be a change of plan. She could run in the race on Wednesday (Duke of Cambridge), but it is not definite yet. "It could be a tough ask running against a horse like Animal Kingdom first time out. We will make a final decision on Friday afternoon." Speaking on Thursday morning, Barbe said he felt Animal Kingdom will be playing a "different game" in Berkshire. "Animal Kingdom is a very good horse, but this will be a different game for him," said Barbe. "Dubai is very similar to Churchill Downs (where he won Kentucky Derby) - it is a flat, left-handed track - but at Ascot he will be running over a straight course that is up and down. "I wish him all the best, but it will be a different game for him." |
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im shocked so many runners tbh, but ill guarantee well see at least evens in shops on fav if not 6/4 on the day
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ReaseHeath
10 Jun 13 23:40 Joined: 15 May 04 | Topic/replies: 9,317 | Blogger: ReaseHeath's blog agree the opposition looks like being weak but he's never won over a mile (OK, only tried twice and second both times), is only 2/4 on turf (yes, Ascot not dissimilar to AWT these days), won't have encountered similar ground before and is racing in an alien environment (yep, been here a while and well traveled). Question is, what can beat him? I hope Gosden runs Elusive Kate. actually 1/4 on turf and come home a loser on 4 of his last 6 visits to the track. anything can beat him. I would be looking for a trifecta payout over over 10000/1 in this race. |
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Banker for me.
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Felt, just studying the form and christ this is an absolutely sh1t group 1, so you may be right. As a layer though, at the price, I have to be against this one. GL to us both!
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he's ridiculously short in my opinion and I'm not even sure why DoW is second in the market.
I have traded Elusive Kate and am thinking about getting with Trade Storm also. Will take another look at the race tomorrow. |
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Suppose it depends on whether you think Animal Kingdom will turn his dirt form into turf form. If he does he wins. Personally i feel he will win and win well, but I can see him being taken on tomorrow with the bookies def offering even money. Il be taking some more 6/4 if it becomes available.
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Dirt form to turf? What the feck are you talking about Fallen Angel? He was an unlucky in running 2nd to the brilliant Wise Dan in the Breeders cup Mile and he was 2nd to the very good Point of Entry on turf given an 'iffy' ride. A reproduction of any of those efforts will be more than enough to beat this shower of sh1te.
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I was looking at Elusive Kate but it's only that one run which looks genuine group 1 form, the rest has been in fillies races. I'm a bit worried she may have been flattered given how close Caspar finished to her. The rest of her form puts her back with the pack imo.
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