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Why are so many raving about Hurricane Fly?
Why are so many raving about Hurricane Fly?
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2011 was the 3rd longest distance he's beaten thousand stars by out of 8 races,no, I'm not concerned by the proximity of other horses because the way he travelled through the race and the comfort of the horse in relation to the others is all that matters, ruby wanted to win the race and cruised past most and up to the lead and ran all the way to the line, you're not always going to get every horse the correct distance away as regards ratings but that doesn't detract from the performance if the visual impression is satisfactory,if HF was whip whip whip push shove all the way and scrambled home it would be a different story, but there was absolutely no hint of it whatsoever.
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Some great debate on here, a good read!
I've never been to Punchestown so I'd be lying if I said I could give you a first hand topographical statement but from what I've seen it seems more to be a slightly easier Sandown or Carlisle type track with it climbing from just before the beginning of the straight and then onto the far side where it begins the descent rather than a genuinely undulating course. I certainly don't think it can be compared to Cheltenham's old course where even when you do appear to get a flatter part it still upsets the rhythm of horses by being truly undulating with constant small rises and falls in the terrain. No worries EO, I'd call it a very undulating track. It does appear quite flat on TV but when you get out there it's up hill and down dale. Obviously not as undulating as Cheltenham but undulating nonetheless. I think you have to ask yourself why he has only been seen twice in this country? There isn't as much to go on to form an opinion because he keeps turning up in three horse races for much less money in Ireland than he could earn here. There has to be a reason for that. I'd love to know where he could be earning all this extra cash EO! Just to compare a few of the big hurdle races from Ireland and England (excluding Champion Hurdle in which he has competed): The average prize money of three of England's top 2 mile hurdles is 60k (Fighting Fifth, Bula and Christmas Hurdle). The average prize money of Ireland's 4 Grade 1 2 mile hurdles is a little over 55k (Morgiana, Istabraq, Irish Champion, Punchestown). Hardly 'much less money' now is it? |
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Yes Slabster he has won 12 grade ones in Ireland worth about 700K Euro and has won about a million £s in total. Cant see many of his opponents in March bettering that sort of money - unless they win plenty more of those big handicaps.
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I think you must have been watching a different race from me. I did see him all out to repel Peddler's with Thousand Stars close enough up. If it is flying up the hill you want then I suggest you have a look at Istabraq winning by a dozen lengths or Rooster Booster smashing his field.
EO It`s all relative. Rooster Booster beat a horse rated in the 140`s in Westender when he won the CH. It`s safe to say Hurricane Fly could have cantered and sprinted right away from this horse on the snaff. A Thousand Stars would have won that race. You need to look back at the 2011 CH and see that HF was running keen under Ruby. No wonder the horse had to hold on. |
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By the way EO your paradox comparison stinks.
 No one ever really got carried away by Harchibald apart from in running. |
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I can assure you they did in the run up to his thrashing by Katchit.
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Slabster
My comment about the racing in Ireland was a little tongue in cheek but there is a serious point in that it is a bit boring for a punter watching him pick up yet another check for beating two other runners in the Morgiana when he could have come over to take in a proper race like the Bula for nearly twice as much money. |
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Angel
Westender went on to prove on numerous occasions that he was a much better horse than his rating at that time. At Cheltenham I suspect The Fly would have beaten him but I don't think he would have done it on the snaff and I think Thousand Stars would have struggled to win that race. |
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Thousand Stars OR - 163
Westender (Best)OR - 161 Consider the bare form comparison EO. Hurricane Fly`s performance is very similar. Although HF is rated higher the Cheltenham form is similar. For whatever reason Rooster Booster hit his purple patch at the age of 9. Hurricane Fly is still in fine fettle at 9 and Darlan is not overly impressive at Cheltenham and if you go down the list of other contenders they all have question marks. If there is a bit of soft in the going description in March then i would want to be with him. |
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Harchibald was 13/2 in a poor Champion Hurdle...he held no dominance at other tracks to suggest expectation was high for Cheltenham, He was just an exciting horse to follow in a race as a bridle ponce but 7/10 he let you down.
Hurricane Fly is not a dodge pot 9 year old. |
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Angel
I take issue with Thousand Stars 2 mile rating being so high coming as it does essentially solely through Hurricane keeping bullying him over that distance. |
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As I've said I do give Hurricane a chance the softer the ground.
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Thousand Stars 2 mile Cheltenham form OR is franked by ALL the horses around him in the 2011 CH. It all fits.
He needs that kind of pace over 2 miles which he never gets in Ireland. |
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If Hurricane Fly had a smooth preparation for the CH and it was g/s or worse then i would lump on at 5/2 upwards.
He is still the one to beat unless the hooves are rattling. |
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Same old horses being beat again its like 2011 all over again..
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looks good though
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And always does under the right conditions against the same horses. The Irish correspondent in the RFO yesterday even points out he's beaten Thousand Stars in 9 of his last 12 races.
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if he performs to the same level as 2011 he ill go very close.he wasnt the same horse last year.
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Because they know he wasn`t right last season.
Keep up EO |