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By:
BJG
When: 20 Dec 12 11:30
1     39-511    Petit Robin14      9    11-12    Nicky Henderson65    Mr N de Boinville7     155    141    153
2     1FU-31    Balder Succes28      4    11-4    Alan King68    Robert Thornton     147    134    153
3     1115-2    Cash And Go34      5    11-2    Nicky Henderson65    Barry Geraghty     145    147    156
4     2F50-1    Olofi34 tp      6    11-1    Tom George40    Paddy Brennan     144    147    155
5     27/243    Bothy21    6    10-13    Brian Ellison58    Patrick Corbett7     142    148    155
6     712613    Cause Of Causes34      4    10-13    Gordon Elliott50    Davy Condon     142    147    155
7     201316    Rattan34      7    10-13    W P Mullins68     142    149    164
8     32F14    Double Ross28      6    10-13    Nigel Twiston-Davies43    Sam Twiston-Davies     142    154    160
9     2F11-    Ranjaan338 t      4    10-12    Paul Nicholls65    R Walsh     141    127    153
10     1218-2    It´s A Gimme49      5    10-11    Jonjo O´Neill39    A P McCoy     140    153    157
11     151-62    Princeton Plains93      6    10-10    Edward P Harty50    Niall P Madden     139    140    164
12     04-148    Urbain De Sivola41      4    10-9    Nick Williams67    Nick Scholfield     138    116    146
13     1147-0    Kazlian34      4    10-6    David Pipe59    Tom Scudamore     135    153    156
14     F12P72    Thomas Edison49 t      5    10-6    A J Martin50    Mark Walsh     135    124    156
15     03-P33    Dan Breen8 p      7    10-6    David Pipe59    Francis Hayes10     135    142    161
16     1217-1    Lyvius23      4    10-6    Nicky Henderson65    Jeremiah McGrath5     135    121    159
17     68P-52    Rigidity43 tp      5    10-4    Tim Vaughan38    Richard Johnson     133    118    157
18     638-25    Bar De Ligne28      6    10-4    Steve Gollings75    Dougie Costello     133    152    156
19     P-1902    First In The Queue29      5    10-3    Nicky Henderson65    Andrew Tinkler     132    128    158
20     216-3F    First Avenue42      7    10-2    Laura Mongan100    Tom Cannon3     131    122    159
21     1146-2    Into Wain14      5    10-1    Steve Gollings75    Brian Hughes     130    137    154
By:
roobuck
When: 20 Dec 12 11:50
Thanks BJG. Relieved that UDS is declared as in retrospect I jumped too early, and if had waited could have NRNB concession at 25/1 - not the smartest play.

That being said I still think he'll run a really good race and is one that will love the ground.
By:
sintonian
When: 20 Dec 12 13:00
Richard Johnson booked to ride Rigidity. Was 33/1 this morning in a few places, tops 25 now. I wonder if there was a bulletin in the RP from trainer?

I've not backed him yet anyway.

Olofi is now 14/1 with Korral.
By:
roobuck
When: 20 Dec 12 13:38
Rigidity was always highly thought of at Warren Place so I would suggest he is a talented horse

If you take his form in this last year literally he could be very well treated. Ascot is one course that horse seem to love or hate on the flat - is it the same over jumps?
By:
Desmond Orchard
When: 20 Dec 12 13:41
No Cotton Mill? Cry Ground I suppose?
I genuinely think that this one wouldn't look out of place in this seasons champion hurdle field and if they're gonna start him off in a 'cap off 145, I'll be on, whenever, wherever.
By:
sintonian
When: 20 Dec 12 16:52
Don't think so Roo.

Going is now Heavy. I reckon this may be abandoned as Saturdays forecast aint pretty,
By:
ACStafford
When: 20 Dec 12 17:08
Dessie, He's been entered in the Christmas Hurdle. Crazy to ruin his handicap mark by running him in a Grade 1. Lets hope he gets pulled out due to soft ground again.
By:
Brooksielad
When: 20 Dec 12 17:34
Princeton plains for me. Will love the ground.
By:
conditor
When: 20 Dec 12 19:03
Kazilian is the one to be on at these weights, just needs to settle ,and treat the hurdles with a little more respect
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 20 Dec 12 23:34
Can't believe Olofi is still double-figures. I've backed him ante-post at 12/1 and there's 14/1 available now! It's possible that he's a quirky so-and-so, but then again he might just be late-maturing (bit like my teenage son!). I was impressed with the way he quickened after being checked at HQ lto. Soft ground holds no fears - although going right-handed is a bit of an unknown. A few ifs and buts, but more than compensated for with the price imo.

1pt Olofi @ 12/1
By:
Colldogg
When: 21 Dec 12 02:14
Big runner 2mile handicap hurdles are by far my least favorite national hunt race to punt on, however I think LYVIUS has a very good chance on Saturday.

His win at Newbury looked like he had a lot more in reserve than the winning margin suggested. He was idling in front a long way from home. Edgardo Sol is a very decent benchmark. Jeremiah McGrath takes 5lbs off too which will help in this ground. He will be primed for a big run.

The negatives are he isn't great value at 8/1. I will be waiting until the day and hope he goes out to around 10/1-11/1 for an each way punt. Also his jockey isn't my favorite 5lb claimer around too. All in all though I think he's the biggest potential improver, even given the fact he's gone up 8lbs for his Newbury win.

Another alternative I would put up is Cash and Go. However at a shorter price than Lyvius and going up 5lbs for his 2nd to Olofi then I would not be tempted at the price.

Kazlian is a horse I really like too, however I think he's going to be a spring horse and one that needs good ground to show his best form.
By:
Markphisto
When: 21 Dec 12 18:09
Agree Mystic Wind. Think Olofi is great value at the prices (particularly compared to Cash & Go). If you just look at his runs on soft ground he has been very consistent and I think he really must be in the shake up. Here's hoping he pays for the Xmas expenses Excited
By:
sintonian
When: 21 Dec 12 20:06
Olofi might be pwise ? 12 into 8 with 365, 11 into 9 with slybet (5places), top price 11's now.
By:
sintonian
When: 21 Dec 12 20:09
18mm forecast between now and racing, going is Heavy,Soft. No guarantee this goes ahead.
By:
sintonian
When: 21 Dec 12 20:13
Last of the 11's gone. Tops 10 now.
By:
sintonian
When: 21 Dec 12 20:14
3.65 have actually cut him into 7s now. That's two cuts in the last 20 mins.

Is there a non-runner or summat?
By:
roobuck
When: 21 Dec 12 20:14
I know sint, I'll be a little gutted if its abandoned. Really do think Tom's got it right

I agree think it must his choice as price changed just after 8, when paper available on iPad
By:
turnip turns
When: 21 Dec 12 20:24
pwise is olofi and first avenuePlain
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 22 Dec 12 10:49
Like Olofi but is anyone else worried about him going right handed ?
By:
Deptford
When: 22 Dec 12 11:24
They should ride him backwards
By:
penzance
When: 22 Dec 12 11:30
Had a nice bet on Princeton Plains,30+ on here.
Got form on heavy but trainer states  wants no
worse than soft,(which seems strange).
Also on about 7s pl market.Looking forward to
this race.
   GL ALL
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 22 Dec 12 15:27
I guess you could argue the winner was a big price given the prices of the two in front of him last time. Cash and Go backers must feel ul. Would surely have went close.
By:
Facts
When: 22 Dec 12 15:34
Balder Success backers feeling well pissed off with the shocking ride it was given
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 22 Dec 12 17:05
Was expecting it start in handy position but i guess thats what you get if you let it spend its life in small runner fields.
By:
sintonian
When: 22 Dec 12 20:09
well done if you backed that. He was overpriced in relation to C&G who went off fave, but there were so many fancies for this race something had to drift.

Olofi either hated going rated, or, more likely, was just not good enough today.
By:
sintonian
When: 22 Dec 12 20:09
*hated going right handed
By:
Markphisto
When: 22 Dec 12 21:17
Disappointed with Olofi today alright, should have been right there on the book.

Will be keeping an eye out for Rebel Fitz's return to the track however. Gave Cause of Causes 19lb and a beating in the Galway Hurdle !
By:
roobuck
When: 23 Dec 12 10:14
If it is soft I can still see Olofi being competitive and whilst I'll wait until there's a better idea of the field, I would see all the Greatwood placers going close

So wrong about Olofi who I backed and ran a shocker - too free for his own good in the early stages. Cannot believe winner went off 25/1 Sad
By:
1st time poster
When: 23 Dec 12 13:22
as all you clever people were on olifi at 14,s 16,s ,then tipped by pricewise, why are you all wetting your knickers that a horse well beat by olifi started at 25,s
what price would you expect it to start bearing in mind your pockets were full of 16 to 1 vouchers for olifi, Confused
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 23 Dec 12 15:35
Guess it's a fair point. Noone gutted they didn't back Bothy and he was even beeter off although had been hammered on heavy ground in between.
By:
roobuck
When: 23 Dec 12 15:47
1st time poster, don't be such an arse. Not sure anyone claimed to be on Olofi at 14/16s and only one person referenced the winner's price - but hardly wetting my knickers.

The difference between the winner and Bothy is that Cause of Causes is still only 4 and so plenty of scope for improvement.
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 23 Dec 12 16:25
And had winning form right handed!
By:
sintonian
When: 23 Dec 12 19:22
It's called post-race analysis, albeit lacking in detail. All we've mentioned is that the winners SP was overrpriced in relation to the favourite who was sent of 13/2? Would you not agree.

No idea why you are trying to be clever.
By:
sintonian
When: 23 Dec 12 19:23
I dont recall anyone saying they had 16's on Olofi either, but I could be wrong.
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