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King George - Antepost thoughts
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Captain Chris (IRE) 8 11 10
Champion Court (IRE) 7 11 10 Cue Card (GB) 6 11 10 Finian's Rainbow (IRE) 9 11 10 For Non Stop (IRE) 7 11 10 Grands Crus (FR) 7 11 10 Hunt Ball (IRE) 7 11 10 Junior (GB) 9 11 10 Kauto Stone (FR) 6 11 10 Long Run (FR) 7 11 10 Menorah (IRE) 7 11 10 Riverside Theatre (GB) 8 11 10 Sir des Champs (FR) 6 11 10 The Giant Bolster (GB) 7 11 10 Wishfull Thinking (GB) 9 11 10 |
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WM had always said that he would make a decision about Sir des Champs about a day or two beforehand. My personal view is they will keep him in Ireland. Don't know why he would be more suited to this ground, it could well be better across the sea than at Kempton
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Brooksie,
I think a few trainers will take their horses out after the weekend,if this rain persists. FR,GC,SDC wont run imo. Think Hobbs could take all his out. Tizzard may be tempted to run CC,but for me it would be sensible to take him out if it came up really heavy. Definite runners on heavy ground for me: Junior,Kauto Stone,Long Run,RT and TGB. Doubts about all the others if trainers think sensibly,thats my take on it. |
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Junior being supplemented might mean Grand Crus is out ?
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@sintonian, they were speculating the same on ATR. I pretty much agree with Buddeliea list, Grand Crus just didn't handle the soft going at Cheltenham and something similar and I can see him being taken out the day before. Could be a small field which would make the ante-post place market massive value for some particular horses.
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Although I do think Cue Card runs regardless of the going
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The heavier it gets the more you've got to fancy Long Run. The fact he has supplemented Junior speaks volumes for how many horses these conditions are going to suit. The favourite is one of them though.
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Listening to Joe Tizzard earlier I think they will run CC if it's Heavy.
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Junior looks a cracking each way bet in the likely conditions. Available at 66/1, being supplemented we know its a definite runner, so 16/1 the place looks far too big, with the field (in my opnion) likely to cut up.
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You must have moved fast to get the 66/1 best I could see was 50s now
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Yeah. My £2.50ew must have scared Vic! 50s still looks overpriced I reckon.
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You must know Vic personally if he let you have £2.50 on e/w
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Cue Card looking weak all of a sudden!
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you always get nervousness in the run up to the suspension of the market, people worried about the going, risk of the horse not running and all that stuff, £25k matched on him
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Yeah bit too swift with that post, someones just stuck 300 on it taking all the 5.9 leaving the rest at 5.8 i see
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he's 5.6 to back now
you will see various fluctuations between now and the suspension, especially with low liquidity people get nervous trying to change their position clerk of the course is confident it will be just soft and perfectly raceable, hope he's right |
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Judo,its soft now.
With rain forecast 4 of the next 6 days inc boxing day,hes being very optimistic saying soft ground imo. Good to look on the positive side,but as far as puntings involved i would be looking at heavy ground horses next week. |
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will deffo be waiting til the day before punting!
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yeh,me too.
Judo, Whats your thoughts on it being called off and run in January on better ground? |
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no chance really mate, was 1.06 to be 'on' in the Will racing go ahead? market earlier today
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Sorry,
What i meant was would you be happy with that for your bet with VC. It may give Cue Card more chance of winning the race if it were run at a later date. |
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hmm, well it makes little difference really because of the replacement bet part
in an ideal world it would be run mid January on good to soft and CC would win and go straight to the Gold Cup but I'm not at all frightened of the going, if the horse is as good as I think he might be he will on any surface and if he isn't that good he wouldn't win under any conditions so all in all I would rather the race goes ahead as planned, traditional innit on Boxing Day and I'm really looking forward to it |
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yeh its traditional and all that,and it would be a shame not to sit in front of the TV and watch the KG.Massive part of xmas for years and years for me.
From another more selfish point of view though,i could go to Kempton and see the race in January,but cannot make it on Boxing Day,and i had a real good day 2 years ago. Plus i feel it could be a bit of an anti climax boxing day if its heavy going and good horses being withdrawn. |
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you have to remember that these horses have been prepared to run for their lives on this day so if the race is postponed a few weeks it can be hard to get them back to their best
this might have happened to Kauto in 2010 |
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yeah agree judo best to run it on the day if at all possible !
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oh yeh,thats fair comment.
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yes Foyles,but would it be better to have it on the day with few runners on heavy going?,ot have it in January on better ground with more runners?
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could have a lot more rain or even snow or frost in january budd ,im probably just anxious to get it over with .
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Fair enough,just that i know you are on Cue Card at nice prices and i happen to think he would have more chance of getting home on better ground,still if im wrong ahd he copes ok with heavy ground at least he will have less opposition to worry about.Im sure if it comes up heavy their will be a few withdrawals mate,never know it might just all come in your favour.
As,i think it was Judo who pointed out,whoever does line up on wednesday,none of them will probably want heavy ground,so its down to who copes best,for you i hope its Cue Card. For me i hope its called off and re run later as it was 2 years ago,but thats just me being a selfish g!t,wanting a day at the races!!! |
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if i am truthfull budd i would prefer faster ground as the very soft is an unknown for a lot of them cue card included ..,in an ideal world a middle of january race on better ground would be ideal i suppose .and you will be able to see it at the course .thing is the peterboro chase is schedualed for kemptons xmass card and a postponement might mean a few defecting to that .
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waiting for this race is worse than waiting for Father Christmas when I was about 7
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judorick
20 Dec 12 21:13 Joined: 27 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 10,514 | Blogger: judorick's blog waiting for this race is worse than waiting for Father Christmas when I was about 7 Worth a 4 start rating  Think the same thing myself |
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The biggest price is 220 on here. Not often you see a race like this without something at 500+.
Show's how open it's considered to be with the ground like it is. |
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due to the forecast i backed LR and Kauto stone yday, KS already contracted a bit.. i think the field will be tony if we get the predicted rain, 5/6 runners maybe.
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Long Run will do for me. I can see why there may be some opposition to him, but if we are to believe that Silvianaco Conti is the real deal, then his run against that opponent when Henderson clearly stated he would come on a ton, is the best on offer here. There is no Kauto Star any more, and I am a firm believer that LR is miles better going right handed. I remember clearly NH making that point when LR won at Warwick almost three years ago. His runs going LH haven't been too bad though have they?? Gold Cup not a bad race!! They still however believe that RH is best. It is very early to start crabbing this horse as he undoubtedly has serious ability. I cannot wait for the race, and fully expect SWC to silence some of his critics and win the KG again.
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Clerk of the course Barney Clifford said: “It is soft, heavy in places - 60 per cent soft, 40 per cent heavy. We have some showers this afternoon, up to 10mm, and possibly more showers tomorrow.” (9 mins ago)
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TGB just keeps getting backed for this! From what i can only believe must have been a telephone tipster putting it up earlier in the week and it shortening into 14s, its now into just 10.5 on here 10/1 with the books which surely wont last tomorrow if continues to be 10.5 11 area on here!!!!
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Grand Crus has been the other for money. Completing guessing with that horse. The kempton form looks excellent on paper but the last two runs would feel me with dread. I thought it hated the ground at Cheltenham.
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regarding tgb on gold cup form he has the beating of long run and is a guaranteed stayer with ap up so can understand the money coming for him .
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Well done SWC and Long Run. A very merry Christmas!
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