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FOYLESWAR
03 Dec 12 20:13
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after the sprinter sacre v sanctuaire clash of the speedsters on saturday , we have the john durkan at punchestown on sunday where flemenstar and sir des champs among others may cross swords ..........dont know who the other possible contenders are but someone on here will......... bjg?........................opinions !

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By:
turnip turns
When: 03 Dec 12 20:19
entries out tomoz foyleswarWink
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 03 Dec 12 20:21
shud be a krakka !
By:
turnip turns
When: 03 Dec 12 20:35
yeah,hope all the big names turn upGrin
By:
buddeliea
When: 03 Dec 12 20:37
we are being spoilt this season,absolutely cracking races weve had already and the next few weeks is something else.
Tingle Creek is a fascinating match up,so is the John Durkan,and the KG looks like being one of the best renewals of recent years.
And the best crop of chasing novices at one time that i can remember.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 04 Dec 12 02:31
Really hope Quito De La Roque heads to Aintree instead as he can't beat these big shots over 20f - Gold Cup and 26f is a totally different matter and he'll wear the speedsters down!
By:
johntucker
When: 04 Dec 12 07:52
If QDLR lines up at Cheltenham I'd be v surprised. If he can win, in what's shaping up to be extremely competitive I'd be absolutely stunned. Surprised
By:
shockster
When: 04 Dec 12 10:09
NO.    HORSE    AGE    WGT    TRAINER RTF%    JOCKEY    OR    TS    RPR
1     52-352    Blackstairmountain21      7    11-10    W P Mullins         —    139    152
2     F13-F1    Bog Warrior8      8    11-10    A J Martin         —    109    166
3     11P2-1    Cristal Bonus36      6    11-10    Paul Nicholls         —    135    161
4     23-423    First Lieutenant8      7    11-10    M F Morris         —    161    169
5     1111-1    Flemenstar28      7    11-10    Peter Casey         —    147    171
6     12-P46    Follow The Plan36      9    11-10    Oliver McKiernan         —    152    172
7     13-11    Hidden Cyclone15      7    11-10    John Joseph Hanlon         —    123    157
8     P-5220    Magnanimity8      8    11-10    D T Hughes         —    122    156
9     3F5U-5    Organisedconfusion28    7    11-10    A L T Moore         —    124    131
10     113-3    Quito De La Roque36      8    11-10    C A Murphy         —    50    165
11     52-044    Realt Dubh28      8    11-10    Noel Meade         —    127    173
12     12154-    Rubi Light225      7    11-10    Robert Alan Hennessy         —    162    173
13     11111-    Sir Des Champs229      6    11-10    W P Mullins         —    159    172
14     415-25    Tranquil Sea24      10    11-10    E J O´Grady         —    129    166
15     P-0311    Blazing Tempo77      8    11-3    W P Mullins         —    142    170

Yes half decent Excited
By:
shockster
When: 04 Dec 12 10:10
But how many will actually run.  Is this the time to be against SDC?
By:
bluebirdfan
When: 04 Dec 12 11:04
This could well be the race of the season so far
By:
DECALEC
When: 04 Dec 12 12:20
shockster 04 Dec 12 10:09 
NO.    HORSE    AGE    WGT    TRAINER RTF%    JOCKEY    OR    TS    RPR
1     52-352    Blackstairmountain21      7    11-10    W P Mullins         —    139    152
2     F13-F1    Bog Warrior8      8    11-10    A J Martin         —    109    166
3     11P2-1    Cristal Bonus36      6    11-10    Paul Nicholls         —    135    161
4     23-423    First Lieutenant8      7    11-10    M F Morris         —    161    169
5     1111-1    Flemenstar28      7    11-10    Peter Casey         —    147    171
6     12-P46    Follow The Plan36      9    11-10    Oliver McKiernan         —    152    172
7     13-11    Hidden Cyclone15      7    11-10    John Joseph Hanlon         —    123    157
8     P-5220    Magnanimity8      8    11-10    D T Hughes         —    122    156
9     3F5U-5    Organisedconfusion28    7    11-10    A L T Moore         —    124    131
10     113-3    Quito De La Roque36      8    11-10    C A Murphy         —    50    165
11     52-044    Realt Dubh28      8    11-10    Noel Meade         —    127    173
12     12154-    Rubi Light225      7    11-10    Robert Alan Hennessy         —    162    173
13     11111-    Sir Des Champs229      6    11-10    W P Mullins         —    159    172
14     415-25    Tranquil Sea24      10    11-10    E J O´Grady         —    129    166
15     P-0311    Blazing Tempo77      8    11-3    W P Mullins         —    142    170

Yes half decent Excited
ARE THESE NOT EARLY ENTRIES SCRATCHINGS MADE TODAY BUT I COULD BE WRONG Confused
By:
turnip turns
When: 04 Dec 12 12:25
entries are made todayWink
By:
turnip turns
When: 04 Dec 12 12:27
HRI Racing ‏@HRI_Racing
John Durkan Entries:Blackstairmountain,Bog Warrior,Flemenstar,Magnanimity,Quito De La Roque,Realt Dubh,Rubi Light,SirDesChamps&BlazingTempo.

there you goCool
By:
Slabster
When: 04 Dec 12 13:12
52352 1   Blackstairmountain(148)
(WPMullins) - . ............. 11,10
-13f1 2   Bog Warrior(150) (AJMartin) - . .......... 11,10
11111 3   Flemenstar(168) (PCasey) - . ............. 11,10
p5220 4   Magnanimity(140) (DTHughes) - . ...... 11,10
113-3 5   Quito De La Roque (FR)(159)
(CAMurphy) - . ............. 11,10
52044 6   Realt Dubh(159) (NMeade) - . ............ 11,10
2-154 7   Rubi Light (FR)(161) (RAHennessy)
- . .................................. 11,10
1-111 8   Sir Des Champs (FR)(162)
(WPMullins) - . ............. 11,10
p0311 9   Blazing Tempo(153) (WPMullins) - . .. 11,03
By:
Slabster
When: 04 Dec 12 13:15
Could be a very small field. Bog Warrior, Quito and Magnanimity must be unlikely starters. I doubt Mullins will run three either, have a feeling they won't want to pitch Sir Des Champs in against Flemenstar first time out. 5 runners I'd say!
By:
JOCI Club
When: 04 Dec 12 21:41
Very surprised if Mullins decided to sidestep this with SDC!
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 04 Dec 12 21:44
6/4 on here sdc 4/5 flemennstar !
By:
sintonian
When: 05 Dec 12 10:38
Mullins just had Arvika win a Grade1 off a long lay-off. Though i'd rather back Flemenstar if forced.
By:
roobuck
When: 05 Dec 12 11:45
Mullins has long stated this as the starting point for SDC in prep for Xmas, and Flemenstar was always going for this. Both will show and not sure Mullins would be too upset I he got beat as long as he ran well.

Wouldn't want to choose between them but thought Rubi Light was a fair price to cause a small upset.
By:
BJG
When: 07 Dec 12 10:47
Only 4 runners declared

SDC
Flemenstar
Bog Warrior
Rubi Light
By:
JOCI Club
When: 07 Dec 12 11:14
Small but select field!
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 07 Dec 12 15:46
JT - "If QDLR lines up at Cheltenham I'd be v surprised. If he can win, in what's shaping up to be extremely competitive I'd be absolutely stunned"

EVEN lines up...why? Confused
I think he'd be well suited to the demands of the Gold Cup C&D and I think that's a short list of candidates.

I reckon QDLR missed the boat last March because this season's renewal will be much stronger with quite a few second-season novices coming through, but of them all, only Bob's Worth looks GUARANTEED to stay in my opinion.

Wisely, connections have swerved the Durkan giving him a straightforward task at Aintree tomorrow instead.
By:
johntucker
When: 07 Dec 12 16:21
NG, he's never ran at the track before, connections possibly think he won't be suited by the track?
He's not quite up to that level and there are other targets that he might be more suited to.
IMO of course.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 07 Dec 12 17:17
All opinions welcome mate...BUT, he WAS targeted at the Gold Cup last season before having some niggling injuries, so although it's a slight reservation of mine (may not concern his trainer) that he's got no track form, it's not crucial, or enough of a reason to dismiss him.

In my view there's not a better race for him all season, but as you say, he might be up against it concerning the bunch of very promising fencers around at the moment - some are very speedy and that compromises their chances in seeing out the Gold Cup trip.

Kauto Star, Best Mate & Kicking King had more pace than the average CGC winner (the rest over the last few decades were all very strong stayers) but the latter pair faced relatively dire opposition, and the former was a little bit special.

Flemenstar & Silviniaco Conti have no experience of fencing around the course but that's not deterring their supporters.

AND...maybe QDLR's not up to some of the others on ratings, but he's not light years behind as many Gold Cup horses (bang on the premises AND some winners) have been prior to the race over the last few decades.

There aren't many chases over 26f (over a season) that are run at a rattling pace to gauge whether a horse will appreciate the demands of the CGC - that's why there are so many apparent 'flukes' in the mix virtually every season...it's as if they've not been exposed with these conditions (which subsequently have been deemed optimal) and as QDLR looks like he could win a Welsh National to me, that augurs well.

He's a tad high in the weights to attempt that, and the Lexus is a far better option around that period - I've said a few times he's also unfairly tagged as a mudlark.

I've had plenty of the triple figure action with QDLR (there are some bold layers around) and I'd be interested in offloading if he gets as short as 30 on here if winning smoothly tomorrow, and I'll be bitterly disappointed if he can't handle the inferior opposition.

Hidden Cyclone, Tidal Bay & Hunt Ball have been shorter than 30 and I don't think they're exactly the 'bogey man' for a guaranteed stayer like QDLR.

Have you a 'rag' at a huge price you think is value?
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 07 Dec 12 18:05
I think Across the bay May turn over QDLR tomorrow. Good course form, front runner in a small field and looks to be improving for his new yard. Conditions will suit too.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 07 Dec 12 18:27
GCW - if he's straight enough (and Colm Murphy said he was delighted with him after Down Royal) then I can't seem him being troubled at all!

As I said...if he's beaten fair & square, my AP bets will look foolish - I'll be very disappointed if he can't beat these easily!
It'll be interesting to see Wayward Prince up against him with a recent & direct form-line to Silviniaco Conti.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 07 Dec 12 18:52
Is anyone giving Rubi Light a squeak in the Durkan?

He's got some serious form in arguably better company than the big two have met so far, goes well fresh, handles heavy ground and is happy over the C&D - problem is that his big rivals will be content with those conditions as well.
Usually a good jumper too, he provides a fair early test for the big guns, even though ratings would suggest Flemenstar's a few pounds ahead.

I see Rubi Light is by Network who's also the sire of Sprinter Sacre...could be a nice weekend for him.
By:
roobuck
When: 07 Dec 12 19:36
Yes NG I do and as said above I took a little of the 7s that was available earlier in the week. Clearly the front two are the ones to beat but as you say RL is proven in the grade, trip and ground
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 07 Dec 12 19:42
Sorry Roo...I have 'form' for missing your posts! Grin

Remember the Abbaye thread?
By:
johntucker
When: 07 Dec 12 19:55
I don't see any 'rag' being on the premises this year. I wouldn't exactly term BW or SDC speedsters as I expect these 2 course proven animals to be staying on as well as anyone and probably from not too far from the pace. I do agree that RL is overpriced this weekend and also that he provides a fair benchmark for his opponents. More so than Big Zeb did.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 07 Dec 12 20:02
was thinking along similar lines as regards rubi light very often these so called 2 horse races dont go quite to plan rubi has serious form at the trip loves the ground and from memory was he not placed in the lexus or hennesy won by gold cup winner synchronised last season ? wouldnt underestimate this one .
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 07 Dec 12 20:10
JT - I agree with that about Big Zeb as he's on the decline nowadays and may well have to step up in trip.

Bob's Worth is definitely no speedster (a guaranteed stayer) but I think Sir Des Champs has got plenty of gears, and I'm far from sure he'll get the trip on Gold Cup day.

The chasers I meant (at the business end of the market) that have serious stamina concerns (over Gold Cup C&D) in my opinion are the likes of Silviniaco Conti, Grands Crus, Cue Card, Flemenstar, Al Ferof & Hidden Cyclone, besides Sir Des Champs.

That's a big chunk of the fancied horses and that opens the door for a rag or two, though I do appreciate that with so much strength in depth this season, SOME of the aforementioned WILL stay well enough!
By:
johntucker
When: 07 Dec 12 20:13
I'd say it's his optimum conditions and should be an informative event.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 07 Dec 12 20:23
JT - would you be as confident of SDC getting the trip on Gold Cup day as much as Bob's Worth?
If so, that's a brave shout!

I'm not confident he WON'T stay, but he still has that nagging question over him in my view.
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 07 Dec 12 20:42
Haven't re looked at the form of QDLR I'll have to agree that he should win. Small races are often tricky affairs but his record in small field is better than I expected since people seem to assume he needs a strongly run race.
By:
roobuck
When: 07 Dec 12 20:47
Sorry Roo...I have 'form' for missing your posts! Grin

Remember the Abbaye thread?


Lets hope its a good omen then navel Love
By:
johntucker
When: 07 Dec 12 21:23
I think SDC will stay, I think looked to have plenty left over 2m 4f in a decent time. Time will tell.
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 08 Dec 12 10:13
Rubi Light is the bet for me at the prices. Was going to beat Sizing Europe comfortable in similar conditions before falling last year. Sets a really good bench mark here in thee conditions.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 08 Dec 12 19:03
right lads lets get stuck into this ,flemenstar ,bog warrior ,sir des champs and rubi light who wins you decide !
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 08 Dec 12 19:06
I have to admit I'm flummoxed by that relatively limp performance from QDLR earlier today, and I'm hoping an excuse will be proffered from connections that they've left something to work on with his fitness, and they're priming him for the Lexus.

I was quite happy throughout the race with how he travelled but he just didn't pick up that lot like he should've done.

I backed him again at 170 straight after the race and I haven't given up hope for the Gold Cup, though after today many of you will understandably scoff at that!

I'm not even a huge fan of the horse...in my view, he's got what it takes to run a massive race in the Gold Cup, and I'll stick my neck out with that assertion though I'm inviting three solid months of flak for that view Wink
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