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FOYLESWAR
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after a lot debate through spring summer and autumn its nearly upon us ,one of the most, if the most anticipated clash of the season so far between sprinter sacre and sanctuaire and what a race it promises to be sprinter rated 169 and sanct 166 no disrespect to other competitors but it looks between these 2 with sizing euro and fininans not turning up . sprinter sacre is sure to start fav on the back of some great performances last season notably when easilly winning the arkle and will take some beating ,but sanctuaire is not to be underestimated and paul nicholls seems bullish and is not running scared .
the race seems staightforward in how it will be run ..........sanctuaire blasts off in front and its a case of catch me if you can ? but how much rope can sprinter sacre afford to give him it leaves an interesting dilema for barry gerhagty and nicky henderson who must have  disscused this ! sanctuare is a good fast jumper who  blitzed his opponents in his 3 chases last season by setting off in front and his slick fast jumping meant that he never saw an opponent from start to finish at sandown last time ,sprinter sacre is also a very good traveller and  jumper but how much of a lead will he allow sanct to take ,it is likely that sprinter sacre will have to jump at a speed he has never expierenced before especially at the railway fences all in all a race to watch for me not a betting medium unless sanctuaire  is an attractive price .
anyone have any thoughts how to price these 2 up .
by the way i would not be at all suprised if sprinter sacre takes sanctuaire on early and trys to get him at it as sanctuaire has history of spitting the dummy out ,problem is nicholls looks to have found the key to him and a great race is expected with these 2 flying over the fences ...............bring it on !
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Report CVByrne December 7, 2012 9:17 PM GMT
Only funny banter chew know that. Laugh

This is just side picking like Kauto / Denman. No real analysis can be done till we see the race.

Enjoy the day anyway and absolutely pile it on Sam Winner, chucked in off 141 absolutely chucked in. Happy
Report Colldogg December 8, 2012 4:10 AM GMT
It's going to be an absolute classic! I do have a soft spot for Sanctuaire and he does owe me an absolute fortune since his Fred Winter win! However, If he repeats his performance from back in April against Somersby and Wishful Thinking I don't think a not 100% fit Sprinter Sacre he will have enough to reel him in.

Barry Gerraghty needs to know how much rope to give Sanctuaire. If he gets behind by over 5lengths at any stage of the race then I believe he's playing a very risky game. Sanctuaire has not come back to his rivals at all in his 2 chase starts. I'd love for Sanctuaire to win tomday, however giving Sprinter Sacre the fright of his life will be enough for me. Any sport needs challenges and as good as Big Bucks is, I'd hate for us to have a dead 2mile chase and 3mile hurdle division this year.
Report buddeliea December 8, 2012 6:51 AM GMT
Sam Winner,
cheers CV,be it on your head my friend
Wink
Report festivalfanatic December 8, 2012 9:21 AM GMT
Have a good day budd. Hopefully the Tingle Creek will turn out to be one of those 'I was there' occasions.
Report sisyphus December 8, 2012 11:41 AM GMT
What amazes me is how many of you think that Sprinter is going to turn up not tuned to the minute, its a £70,000 to the winner race and 3 months to Cheltenham. It was also the intention of Henderson to have a prep race before this so he will be fresh as paint and pulling for his head. If Ruby gets the fractions right and Sanctuaire jumps the way he has, I can see him coming out of the Railway fences four lengths to the good, he then fills up Sanctuaires lungs as he by-passes the the pond fence omitted because of the low sun, Barry gets to work to close the gap and its now down to the jumping and Sanctuaire gaining a length over each of the remaining fences as they both stagger side to side up the hill with Ruby standing in the saddle Barzelona like over the line.
Report JOCI Club December 8, 2012 11:48 AM GMT
Going to have to remove my daughter from drama school.

Have to go and watch a performance this afternoon which starts 3pm. Cry
Report 1st time poster December 8, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
as stated it never happens this write up 10 times better than any thought of a match up Wink
Report FOYLESWAR December 8, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
er could i have another large slice of humble pie pleaseLaugh............yes he is a monster !
Report mushroom23 December 8, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
WOW
Report RockMonkey December 8, 2012 3:15 PM GMT
It could beat Frankel!
Report Fallen Angel December 8, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was a performance out of this world.
Report vinnie_roe December 8, 2012 3:22 PM GMT
Everyone needs to calm down. The 2nd horse is only rated 143.
Report findthevalue December 8, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
the coronation of a champ, lovely stuff!
Report Fallen Angel December 8, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
He has won the tingle creek by half the track. Something to get a little excited about
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
I'm sorry to say I told you so but...I told you so. You can now see why I laughed at the even possibility that Sanctuaire would even get within a street of Sprinter.

He is quite simply the most exciting horse I've ever seen. I think he's the best horse I've ever seen.
Report festivalfanatic December 8, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
vinnie makes a fair point. Sanctuaire was obviously very flattered by his victory in the Celebration Chase. However, the monster has still won in a hack canter on ground that would not have suited. Smallest 2013 Champion Chase field in living memory?
Report Far From Trouble December 8, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
Sprinter
Santuaire
possibly Sizing Europe

couple of rags

that'll be it imo - Finian's in the Ryanair or Gold Cup by all accounts (although he shold be allowed to defend his crown imo)
Report vinnie_roe December 8, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
Sanctuaire might have been flattered by his win last time, or he has just run 24lbs below that run. He clearly didn't stay the trip today.
Report festivalfanatic December 8, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
I think he could have finished second if he had been ridden for that position. They went for it in the hope that they could win....he was legless jumping the last 2 fences.
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 3:50 PM GMT
Everyone needs to calm down. The 2nd horse is only rated 143.

Was rated 143, he'll get a big rise after beating Sanctuaire.
Report Far From Trouble December 8, 2012 3:51 PM GMT
vinnie, Sanctuaire was very flattered in the Celebration Chase

Never as good as his rating suggested
Report vinnie_roe December 8, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
Jacob rode the horse the same way, in his last start.I wouldn't be surprised if he has picked up a minor injury.
Report willie the milk December 8, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
AWESOME Can't pick any holes in that performance
Report FOYLESWAR December 8, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
nope !
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
Enjoy budd, I was this close | | to going. But having been to Newbury last weekend and a need to get my christmas shopping done. I shall miss Sprinters facile win and Kumbeshwars decent 2nd place.

Cool
Report Joist December 8, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
I look forward to which horse Budd selects next to try and get Sprinter beat. Maybe Kumbeshwar if it didn't get the run of the race or made a race-ending error Grin
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 5:04 PM GMT
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Not only will Sprinter win. But I can't see he coming off the bridle. Geraghty will do his usual look around as Sprinter jumps the last.

He will stop to write an update to his blog, also send a few tweets. Then they'll come home at a common canter backwards across the line.


Word for word that's what happened isn't it Laugh
Report EVILROYSLADE December 8, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
Another slice of toast Mr Geraghty? Wink
Report FOYLESWAR December 8, 2012 5:42 PM GMT
budd will know that it will be a long time before aything can challenge that over 2 miles ,he will agree that we have seen a monster......he knows his onions !
Report JOCI Club December 8, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
Just going to settle down and watch a recording of the race - not seen it yet.
Report FOYLESWAR December 8, 2012 5:47 PM GMT
the only negative is that the q.m champion chase is a formality !
Report judorick December 8, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
could the Melling Chase, grade 1 2 miles 4 furlongs at Aintree be on his radar or will they go Punchestown instead?
Report Navel-Gazer December 8, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
JR - that seems to be the normal route for 2M chasers over the last 20 years...I'd be disappointed if he didn't go for it!
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
They'll put him away after the Champion Chase, they'll want to keep him sound and try get him still racing when he's 11yo like Moscow.
Report judorick December 8, 2012 6:21 PM GMT
well if he wins the QMCC on the bridle and has barely had a race all season, why would you put him away when he is at his peak? He will be 7yo in 2013 and who knows if he will regress in 2014? That is entirely feasible. Otherwise what's he going to have, 3 runs a season? What a waste that would be! If he won the Melling doing handsprings that would also open up the option of the king George
Report JOCI Club December 8, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
He wasn't stopping by any means, after a fast pace set by Sanctuaire (which eventually killed him) and in soft ground. I'd have thought that next term, a crack at the King George would be eminently possible, given he'd be travelling at a notch slower than he's used to in the 2m chases.
Report EVILROYSLADE December 8, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
Foyle! Im looking forward to Budd logging on here . Not for anything other than to gauge his reaction having been there. This is one hell of a chaser.
Report festivalfanatic December 8, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
budd will know that it will be a long time before aything can challenge that over 2 miles ,he will agree that we have seen a monster......he knows his onions !

Al Ferof is going to dodge his programme over the rest of the season to compete in the Champion Chase in March. Asked about this change of plan PFN said 'but for that race ending error, we would only have been beaten about 10 lengths. I'm confident we can get this doen to 6 come March, as long as Geraghty keeps hold of the monster' Wink
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
JOCI he'd win a King George no bother, he's only getting going after 2 miles.


RUK commentary post race - "Well Well Well, what kind of ridiculous unspeakable monster is this"
Report FOYLESWAR December 8, 2012 6:59 PM GMT
i dont think there is anything out there over 2 miles to give him a race , so he wont be a betting proposition at his odds all season unless you have mega money ! on the day in the champ chase hes gonna be 2/5 at best ,whos gonna turn up ! big  field for the ryanaire avoiding him , and 3-5  runners for the champion .
Report JOCI Club December 8, 2012 7:19 PM GMT
Could be Kinkeel's biggest paycheck!
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
What, zero Confused Gets nowt for 7th.
Report JOCI Club December 8, 2012 7:44 PM GMT
Not if there are only 3 runners!
Report Brooksielad December 8, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
at least we can all go to the guinness village now come the queen mum. He was impressive I must say. Don't think he'll ever achieve what Kauto's done though.
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
Who know Brooks, I think he is physically more talented than Kauto. But Kauto had stunning longevity, unbreakable will and importantly, top class rivals.

Personally, I think Sprinter isn't a 2 miler. Crazy as that sounds, he is just getting going after 2 miles. He need a break neck pace over 3m round Kempton.

I've never seen anything as brilliant as Sprinter Sacre. Never in my life. I now now what my father meant when he talked about Arkle.

Can't wait to see him at Cheltenham. Will go to Ascot too.
Report duffy December 8, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
Budd, will point out that he didn't actually tip up sanctuaire, he merely refused to rule a win for him out, which isn't tipping him but would enable him to claim he'd been proven right if he'd beaten SS, a master politician is our buddWinkWink
Report judorick December 8, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
has not a leg to stand on
Report Navel-Gazer December 8, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
Don't we all do that to a certain extent?

I asked a question on the Durkan thread about Rubi Light's prospects tomorrow, pointing out just what he's got going for him.
I won't be backing him though (maybe I/R at a bigger price) and I wouldn't claim to have tipped it - I haven't, but the conversation at that stage was JUST about the two big guns!

I'd NEVER crow about that sort of situation (if it comes off) as I was just trying to get others' views about what I see as something relatively unconsidered having a valid chance.

Flemenstar's jumping seems to be spot-on so I don't see Ruby Light as a tasty ENOUGH price - the experienced fencer is often a worthwhile angle to take when second season novices start meeting more fluent opposition...alas (for betting purposes) I don't see too many flaws in Flemenstar's jumping.

Besides...I couldn't see Quito De La Roque losing today and he was beaten fair & square Sad
Report Brooksielad December 8, 2012 10:00 PM GMT
Who knows cv, who knows, I suppose time will tell.
Report Masterminded December 8, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
Best horse you will see over fences simple as that. Cool

Poor Budd he will be taking on Sprinter next year with Hinterland no doubt.
Report Brooksielad December 8, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
I want to see him win 2 Tingle Creeks 5 King Georges 2 Gold Cups first Masterminded.
Report CVByrne December 8, 2012 11:59 PM GMT
Speaks volumes of this place when people are waiting for budd to post a comment just for getting a horse wrong.

I've got so many wrong it'd take 2 days to list the wrongness. It's racing we get it wrong most of the time. Some of us have the balls to speak our mind and not worry about being wrong. Instead of just not giving an opinion.

Sure Far From Trouble lost a testicle due to Tidal Bay. Laugh Not that he had more than one to begin with Plain

Anyway budd, you now know what I meant.
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:06 AM GMT
We also need to mention how Sprinter is the most gorgeous horse you'll ever see. He is the super race in ever way.
Report Far From Trouble December 9, 2012 12:18 AM GMT
Plain
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
Laugh Seriously, how do you have 15k posts iyo
Report Far From Trouble December 9, 2012 12:21 AM GMT
Used to be on here a lot, still use it but not as much these days tbf
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:22 AM GMT
Why you post on some other forum Confused
Report Far From Trouble December 9, 2012 12:23 AM GMT
No. I'm too busy winning Plain
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
Landing Yankees Plain
Report Far From Trouble December 9, 2012 12:27 AM GMT
Devil

You still pretty much in awe of what you witnessed today?
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:30 AM GMT
Have watched the race 7 times. Then watched THE race twice, and few of Kauto races just to stop me thinking Sprinter is better.

...I still think he's better. Sprinter Sacre is just... We need to think of new words.
Report Far From Trouble December 9, 2012 12:33 AM GMT
Get a grip ffs Devil
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:33 AM GMT
Love the RUK comments though. "Well Well, what kind of ridiculous unspeakable monster is this"

Up there with "Kauto Star, at Leisure"
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:36 AM GMT
Not saying he's ever gonna run in a race that is this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkZIUiasUqs

That's the greatest race ever run. Can't see that ever changing.

BUT, he's Sprinters so good he's just... I think we'll be back in 12 months time saying he's better than Arkle.
Report Far From Trouble December 9, 2012 12:38 AM GMT
I'd run him in the Grand Annual off 180 something and watch him sluice up Devil
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
Racing Post Chase, he'd get a 200+ if it was decent going.
Report Navel-Gazer December 9, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
Change the conditions of the Victor Chandler (AGAIN) and let's see what he can do Wink
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:52 AM GMT
Perfect. Cool Speaking of which. Glad Well Chief made the original top 10 list. Love
Report judorick December 9, 2012 12:54 AM GMT
yes handicaps to reveal the true extent of superiority! trouble is most of the rivals would be so far out of the handicap it wouldn't be representative unless you could get Cue Card, SE, FR etc to run off 165 to 170. Doubt they would show up though
Report Masterminded December 9, 2012 7:57 AM GMT
Its only a bit of banter CV Budd knows I am only messing. Had long debates with him about the Arkle all last season. Achievements wise & longevity etc of course Kauto is miles ahead of anything in recent years. On pure natural ability and raw talent I honestly don't think you will see a better 2 mile chaser than Sprinter Sacre though. Obviously I'm a huge fan of Master Minded & Moscow before him but SS is on a whole different level. He'd beat anything over 2. The 2nd season chasers are a quality bunch but he's head & shoulders above the lot.
Report buddeliea December 9, 2012 9:33 AM GMT
well,i had a few drinks last night,i have no crash helmet and no body armour,so if you can find it in your hearts to be gentle with me,i would much appreciate it.

what can i say?

i had no winners at the course,and only a 14yr old at Aintree(well i have to back him)stopped a disastrous punting day.
but i came home with a big smile on my face having witnessed something i will never forget.
the race was as i expected in the way it went off,no excuses for any horse which we wanted,and i even managed a "come on ruby" as they jumped the first of the 7 in the back straight.After the railway fences,it was "oh well i got that wrong",this is now what i did not expect,but i was not surprised at the same time,if you see what i mean.
i simply thought Sanctuaire could give SS a real race round Sandown and maybe beat him.......,blimey, i was way out in my estimation of him,and i should apologise to Sprinter Sacre for thinking it!!
i was there when Sizing Europe won last year,and i felt mighty priveleged to have seen him,i felt the same yesterday.

I got some nice photos in the parade ring,the paddock,and a good one of Sanct jumping the ditch in front of the stands first time.i missed SS jumping the last which p!ssed me off,but, thanks to BG,i got a real good photo when he bought SS in front of us after the race.

i dont know how good Sprinter will be in relation to the past greats,but i do know hes special,and we should enjoy him for as long as it lasts-hopefully a good few years!!!

All those on here i debated with,i have humble pie for breakfast,and lunch and probably dinner as well!!
And im glad you were right about SS,but disappointed i was wrong about Sanctuaire.

Oh and CV.............thanks for tipping me Sam Winner!!
Angry

Laugh
Report festivalfanatic December 9, 2012 9:54 AM GMT
Fair play budd. Glad you had a good day out. The future will tell us how good this horse really is but I believe you have witnessed an 'I was there' moment. We are very lucky to have him so soon after Kauto departing the scene.
Report EVILROYSLADE December 9, 2012 10:00 AM GMT
Being right, then having the grace to sit back, is a sure sign of the measure of a man.There is no need to keep saying "I told you so!" My earlier comments re SS were thankfully proved right. Alternatives to me did not seem to be possible, but nevertheless viable arguments all the same. In the end we were treated to an incredible display from probably the most exciting chaser we have seen in years. I am not in a minority however when putting forward my earlier comments regarding the outcome. I am however, as stated, looking forward to hearing the thoughts of Budd, irrespective of what others may think. He put up a reasoned argument, and because he was there when it happened I would like to hear what his thought are. He expected it to be a clash. I doubt any of us really thought it would be SUCH a demolition irrespective of our earlier responses. 

              Just to add, this is not meant for you MM!
Report EVILROYSLADE December 9, 2012 10:03 AM GMT
It took me so long typing that lot out I didnt realise you had posted Budd.Just read it, good on you .  Now for the John Durkan! SDC for me. Colours nailed firmly to the mast!!!
Report buddeliea December 9, 2012 10:04 AM GMT
yeh,cheers FF.
I was lucky enough to be there when Denman won his 2nd Hennessey,was some atmosphere with proper NH fans going nuts,yesterday was similar.
Report buddeliea December 9, 2012 10:49 AM GMT
Morning evilroy,

Hes special mate,thats my thoughts on Sprinter,wil he actually ever be off the bridle??

im also thinking if ive ever called  a race so wrong before!! Although i always knew it was possible SS could do that,I really thought Sanctuaire could give him a serious race.......oh well!!

enjoyed the discussions though,and no doubt,knowing me,there will be more to come !!
Report JOCI Club December 9, 2012 10:57 AM GMT
It's great to see a dominant horse, but I do find my self hankering back to the days of titanic battles between the likes of Viking Flagship, Deep Sensation, Martha's Son etc in the 2 mile division.
Report judorick December 9, 2012 11:08 AM GMT
good on you Budd! would love to see those photos if you can work out how to post them up here

my only comment about the race would be for you to ask yourself what you can learn from the experience and to reflect on the process you follow to come to a betting decision

as JOCI says the horse is dominant and it really looks like there is little competition for him
Report buddeliea December 9, 2012 11:15 AM GMT
cheers Judo,

To be honest mate,i dont see me changing much as re betting,im a live or die by my impression of a horse type person,and take it on the chin win or lose.Plus im not a big hitter by any means,and really the sport is more of a hobby for me than a profit making thing,which i guess people might have noticed with my style of posts.

I may take others opinions a bit more seriously though!!
Report FOYLESWAR December 9, 2012 11:30 AM GMT
they say the the BEAST FROM THE EAST is due to arrive this week ! i think we may have saw it yesterday at sandown !
Report judorick December 9, 2012 11:30 AM GMT
yes indeed that may be enough to help you

any chance of getting them photos up? I wouldn't know how to do it myself
Report FOYLESWAR December 9, 2012 11:30 AM GMT
seen it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 11:35 AM GMT
You're lucky to have seen that performance bud

"Well Well, what kind of ridiculous unspeakable monster is this"

Love that line. Sprinter is from another planet and they need to think about next years King George.
Report duffy December 9, 2012 11:47 AM GMT
It's very much a similar scenario to frankel isn't it with the prospect facing us all of him beating up ever diminishing fields, year on year and in that respect there will be a big risk that he might not reach his true position in racing folklore.

He is such a very special horse that he surely deserves long term to be given the chance to stretch out over 3 miles in order to really stamp his true greatness, I think that if he stayed over 2 forever, some time down the line there will the odd huff and puff of what's he beating, nothing is turning up blah, blah, blah (as strange as it may seem).He is just too good to noteven explore the possibility.
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 11:55 AM GMT
Sorry about Sam winner bud Blush horse drifted like a barge. Roi Du Mee at Navan was our forum charge, never told you though. Cry you should pop over a load of us on there now. I'll pm you the link.
Report Brooksielad December 9, 2012 11:57 AM GMT
I can't quite work out the form myself, I get the feeling Sanctuaire is still a rogue and the form must of been overrated last season. Personally I want to see SS race Sizing Europe over 2 miles, as he's been so consistant at that trip in recent years and I think that would give us a true idea of how good SS is.
Report judorick December 9, 2012 11:59 AM GMT
there is every prospect that Sprinter will run in the Melling Chase at Aintree (unless the yard have that earmarked for another) which would see him trying 2 mile 4 furlongs. If he won there that would open the prospect of stepping up later in his career - 2014 KG or even 2013 if they felt like it
Report buddeliea December 9, 2012 11:59 AM GMT
yep,very lucky mate.

Last year i was at the paddock when Al Ferof walked in(we all know what i think of him)took a few photos,looked ok,nothing special.
A little while later Sizing Europe walked in,blimey what a difference,absolute classic looking horse and you just knew you were looking at something special.Yeh,of course AF was a novice,and SE a proper established champion,but nevertheless such a difference.
Yesterday in the pre parade ring i got my first look at Sprinter Sacre walking-i had seen him in his box at his home on the open day-but seeing him walking round he just has such presence,and you get the feeling he just knows how good he is.He gave mt the same feeling as i had when i saw SE last year.
Yes lucky alright,seeing these horses close up,cannot beat it.
Report buddeliea December 9, 2012 12:15 PM GMT
will see what i can do with the photos judo,aint got a clue how to do it though!!
Report CVByrne December 9, 2012 12:17 PM GMT
I saw sprinter win the Arkle. Was stunning looking horse. Looks like he knows he is not from this world.

I cannot see how he won't get 3 miles easily. He's cantered home yesterday on soft ground after a suicide pace was set. He was 6 seconds faster than Captain Conan.

It reminded me of Kautos 2009 King George where Nacarat went a suicide pace which only Kauto could live with and it let Kauto show the true depth of his quality when cantering home.

I hope they do step him up in trip next season. He could be anything if he gets 3 miles. Maybe bag a couple of Champion Chases at 7/8 and then go for a couple of Gold Cups when he's 9/10. With a hat trick of King Georges inbetween and another Tingle Creek.
Report Brooksielad December 9, 2012 12:22 PM GMT
His win was very similar to Kauto's 2nd tingle creek, Would like to know how King rates Kumbeshwar to Voy Por.
Report festivalfanatic December 9, 2012 12:23 PM GMT
yep,very lucky mate.

Last year i was at the paddock when Al Ferof walked in(we all know what i think of him)took a few photos,looked ok,nothing special.
A little while later Sizing Europe walked in,blimey what a difference,absolute classic looking horse and you just knew you were looking at something special.Yeh,of course AF was a novice,and SE a proper established champion,but nevertheless such a difference.
Yesterday in the pre parade ring i got my first look at Sprinter Sacre walking-i had seen him in his box at his home on the open day-but seeing him walking round he just has such presence,and you get the feeling he just knows how good he is.He gave mt the same feeling as i had when i saw SE last year.
Yes lucky alright,seeing these horses close up,cannot beat it.

It appears to me that in addition to being very talented, he bullies/intimidates his opponents with his sheer presence. Suspect this is just me being fanciful but maybe he makes his rivals underperform.
Report judorick December 9, 2012 12:34 PM GMT
horses with enormous levels of ability and superiority are often capable of much more than people give them credit for. There regular posts on the main forum saying Frankel was a 'pure miler' and that he should be campaigned only at that distance for fear of not staying. Well few would doubt his staying ability and I personally think he could win any race up to a mile and a half and that's because of his enormous natural ability. It make some time but I would imagine Sprinter Sacre will prove top class at any distance for exactly the same reason yet already there are the usual 'he's a two miler, don't try anything else' posts on the various SS threads. Sheesh, he is only 6yo and just had his first start out of novice company, no need to pigeon hole him now - he literally could be anything
Report Joist December 9, 2012 12:46 PM GMT
Fair play Budd, nice to see such humility and a long-time good egg of the forum imo. Would also love to see your photos, if you sign up to photobucket or imageshack you can upload them and then put the link on here. Obviously though it's a bit of a faff so if you can't be arsed it's all good!

That was stunning stuff yesterday and having gone to the Tingle Creek meeting for the last 5-6 years it was gutting to miss yesterday. People can crab him with "well what does he find off the bridle?" all they like but I'm not sure he'll ever face a horse who makes that question become a reality.
Report buddeliea December 9, 2012 1:01 PM GMT
cheers Joist,i shall see what i can do.

maybe Sizing Europe could? if he ever races against him,which dont look likely at the moment,with what his trainers saying.
otherwise we may have to wait and see what the novices do over the next year or so.
gut feeling is we may never find out!!
Report Joist December 9, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
Yeah Sizing might but like you say, I was thinking of opposition that are likely to race over 2 miles whereas Sizing seems to be avoiding that now. Next years novices could make for a cracking 2014 QMCC! Talking about Cheltenham 2014 already Laugh
Report Joist December 9, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
Sorry this year's novices Crazy
Report Brooksielad December 9, 2012 1:18 PM GMT
The showdown next year will be Oscar's Well and the defending Champ. 2014 champion chase will be bit more entertaining.
Report Joist December 9, 2012 1:37 PM GMT
Oscar's Well in the Arkle, surely?
Report Brooksielad December 9, 2012 1:37 PM GMT
my bad i ment next season, 2014 champ chase.
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