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tyronesam
20 Nov 12 23:33
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iknow henderson spoke re this at weekend but i missed it... i see 4s available.....surely this is HUGE

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By:
revedesivola
When: 21 Nov 12 00:35
hes got 19 lbs to find on official ratings with rock on ruby. im not saying he wont win but its not hard to see why hes 4/1. some would argue 4/1 is too short
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 21 Nov 12 00:49
grandouet lining up?

he'll  win doing handstands imo.
By:
revedesivola
When: 21 Nov 12 01:06
surely the chance of him unseating has to be entered into calculation of a value price. imo he has a greater chance of unseating if hes doing handstands
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 21 Nov 12 01:30
unseating?

hes only fallen once when tanking and was brought down the other, beat overturn 4L lto.

not sure hes even lining up tbh but if he does he'll win.
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 21 Nov 12 01:31
sorry i get u now W**kerLaugh
By:
stevo1
When: 21 Nov 12 01:32
Wouldnt back any of Hendersons horses given numerous horses over past 2 seasons not showing inc 2 last weekend fraught with danger, and no darlan at 4s not great price if all turn up imo.
By:
buddeliea
When: 21 Nov 12 07:50
doing handstands?
against the CH Hurdler??
Dont think so somehow!!!
By:
roobuck
When: 21 Nov 12 09:28
Perhaps not handstands, but I could easily see him beating ROR at Newcastle.
By:
sc1883
When: 21 Nov 12 10:06
Grandouet going for the old bula race at Cheltenham im sure ive heard somewhere?
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 21 Nov 12 13:28
ror is a douer stayer ffs who stole the champion from the front.

overturn was 2nd ffs. Anyone taking that form literally is going to lose a lot of money in the future imo
By:
duncan idaho
When: 21 Nov 12 13:51
only one f in defo, sam. cheers.
By:
tyronesam
When: 21 Nov 12 14:12
thanks for that duncan...grandouet is going to cheltenham i believe...yes ror is a serious horse as is cinders but as for the rest....
By:
tyronesam
When: 21 Nov 12 14:32
and getting back to the original question...did hendo state this was target for darlan ?many thanks and good luck all
By:
Tucho
When: 21 Nov 12 16:07
sorry but nobody is going to be able to give you a definite answer, hendo wouldn't point anybody in the right direction for a p1ss

however he did mention the fighting fifth as the likely destination in the papers on sunday after he was withdrawn from the racing post handicap

so yeah, assuming he's trying to keep his champion hurdle horses away from each other then i'd say

darlan > fighting fifth
grandouet > bula
binocular > christmas hurdle

looks as likely as anything imo

but rock on ruby and cinders and ashes are pretty much confirmed for the race, surely darlan can't get much shorter in the market unless one of those pulls out?
By:
sintonian
When: 21 Nov 12 16:37
Newcastle can get testing. No guarantee Darlan runs in that instance unless NJH would be happy to do it off level weights as opposed to the handicap.
By:
buddeliea
When: 21 Nov 12 17:40
All about opinion buses,i happen to think the CH was a darn good race and should definitely be taken seriously with regard to this seasons top hurdle races.
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 21 Nov 12 18:20
decent race nothing more.

Im by no means saying ror isnt a serious horse, hes always there or there abouts but its no coincidence that the front 2 were the front 2 for the entire race whilse ruby and ap were too concedrned with each other.

i mean overturn is a grand sort and looks a fair chaser too but he was regulary put in his place over hurdles time and again. what, has he suddenly improved on his 50th start?

race was stolen by 2 very good horses.

again, just my opinion. eitherway grandouet isnt going apparently so doesnt really matter, thought the track wouldve suited.

ror will be formidable on testing tracks.
By:
buddeliea
When: 21 Nov 12 19:10
yeh,i do sgree Ruby and AP were a bit too concerned with each other,i was fuming at the time having had a nice price on Bino.But any horse that goes off prominent,quickens off that pace and extends the lead after the last gets my vote as a very good winner of the race.Whatever the opposition got up to!!
By:
willie the milk
When: 26 Nov 12 20:29
At 0/30 with Mr Power, Rock on Ruby is a MUST bet. Current champion, rated 19lbs better that Cinders and Ashes. Ground will be in C&A favour more that ROR but that does not mean he can't run on it. I see no reason why Darlan should turn round the Supreme form, especially on the predicted heavy ground. ROR for meHappy
By:
roobuck
When: 26 Nov 12 20:40
I'm sure I read that good chance ROR will be pulled out if ground is desperate
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 26 Nov 12 22:31
Hope not roobuck, as I agree with Willie The Milk.

Sure, C&A has form on heavy, but there's a reason why he's rated 19lbs behind ROR. There's nothing to suggest ROR won't handle heavy, he certainly has the stamina required and is NH bred.

I was a bit disappointed with ROR at Aintree after what I'd rated a pretty decent Champion Hurdle. However, in retrospect the key to this horse appears to be freshness. This is borne out by Fry planning a 3 race campaign for him this year. Just look at his form figures (after his debut) when he's had a lay-off of 2 months or more : 1111.

TBH, I thought 9/4 was a decent price a couple of days ago, so with doubts over the participation of Darlan (even though he'd have plenty to find too), the drift to 3/1+ seems ludicrous to me, so I've topped-up.

1pt win Rock On Ruby @ 9/4, plus another 0.5pts @ 100/30
By:
ralph88
When: 27 Nov 12 09:19
The fighting fifth isn't great.  Grandouet wins the Champ Hurdle all day long this is just second fiddle to that, The irish raider will probs win the rest are just high end handicappers who will now want a trip.
By:
roobuck
When: 27 Nov 12 10:42
He is all set to go to Newcastle and I’m looking forward to running him, but I am going to monitor the weather and I have been in contact with James Armstrong regularly.
“I just hope the weather doesn’t spoil the party. He wouldn’t go in extreme conditions and hypothetically he would go to Cheltenham a fortnight later for the Stan James International [formerly the Bula] if that was the case.


Harry Fry quoted in yesterday's RP

So last years's CH winner is actually only a high end handicapper? Laugh
By:
tyronesam
When: 27 Nov 12 11:39
chances are going WILL be heavy so these extreme conditions might just rule him out !!!wasnt that what hendo said re darlan when he pulled him out first time at chelters,and that he didnt want to race him in poor conditions first time out !!!could he be withdrawn too ?
By:
Arklearkle
When: 27 Nov 12 11:46
Roobuck ROR only other win in his last seven races was a handicap. While Zarkandars only two wins in last 18 months were handicaps also. That means 1st 2nd and 5th could be classified as such although being a young horse there may be hope for Zarkander still.
By:
roobuck
When: 27 Nov 12 12:09
Arkle the argument you use about Zarkandar is frankly ridiculous being as his last run was after the CH and before he was injured he won graded races at Kempton, Cheltenham and Aintree beating Grandouet on two of those occasions.

Oh and the 3rd and 4th in the CH were the previous 2 winners, one of which is favourite for this years event.
By:
ralph88
When: 27 Nov 12 12:30
roobuck if your the type of person who chooses horses on quotes in the RP etc etc, it's flowered media son there's nothing else to say, ROR isn't anymore than a high end handicapper.  Listen he was a bumper horse and was put with Fry as they thought peanuts of him at Nichols yard he then started showing a little and had a one off against top types also having a lesser one off after a long season, he wants a trip and doesn't have the speed to win a CH this season, look how he gets outpaced and stays on, soft ground, stiff tracks,galloping tracks all palced... didn't see a race course until late on and now he's getting older he'll be regressing. As for Zarkandar he's a classier type much better breed and ouzes class and constitution but he'll peak too early this season and have his day in the sun before CH, he's not a spring horse.. did you see his seasonal reapperance??? He had a bloody hard race he makes hard work of his races too and therefore he'll be well over the top come CH and certainly won't be fresh. There's your RP quote right after the CH flop and he goes off Fav as he'll of cleaned up before then 'he's had a hard season and this was probably one step too far, we'll freshen him up and let him streghthen up over the winter maybe pop him over a fence in time and step him up in trip he's still low mileage' P Nichols 21.03.13....
By:
buddeliea
When: 27 Nov 12 12:40
ROR is the c hurdler,and no reason why he cannot win again given a similar type of race,which i would think connections will try to achieve.hes still a young horse and was quick enough this year and will be quick enough next year.whether hes the best horse on the day is another matter,but no way would i pooh pooh his chances based on his form thus far.
By:
roobuck
When: 27 Nov 12 12:48
Ralph I don't need RP quotes to form my opinion.......son. Interesting you use one to make a point later on.....son.

Grandouet may well beat Zarkandar at a speed track like Aintree but not at Cheltenham. Zarkandar will be fresh for CH, may be the next race after the Bula. Lets chat again after that race....son
By:
buddeliea
When: 27 Nov 12 12:55
Think if Zarkander can turn up in March at his best he will beat Grandouet again.
question is will he get him there at his best??
By:
ralph88
When: 27 Nov 12 12:56
The one I have used is pre-empted... by me, the one you have used to be back your arguement up more of an evidential purpose slightly stronger than an opinion would you not agree slick? Yes let's chat again after the race on the provarsio your handicappers actually go for the race.  I'm pleased your not my investment banker. Do you self a favour and have a squeak on Grandouet otherwise you'll be a fiver ot tenner worse off come mid March. BTW Aintree isn't a speed track so let's get ahead of ourselves now... just breath and relax youngin.
By:
buddeliea
When: 27 Nov 12 13:00
handicappers
Laugh

come on Ralph,thats a bit silly chap.
By:
roobuck
When: 27 Nov 12 13:03
Sorry what argument am I trying to back up? It was a quote about whether a horse would run in a race on bad ground. Clearly you are that old you are losing your marblesor simy have lost the ability to read
By:
roobuck
When: 27 Nov 12 13:05
Read my post from last night at 20.40 - that might help you understand the reason for my quote thicko
By:
ralph88
When: 27 Nov 12 13:10
Who's Harry Fry Up anyway? Roll on March for the CH.... 1 Class Horse v 6 High End Handicappers and 6 Over The Top Horses.

It's a descisive race in the champ trainers pot do you think Hendo or Paul are going to let some first season young buck ex yard lad win the CH?? I doubt it!
By:
ralph88
When: 27 Nov 12 13:11
No thanks I cannot be bothered to read your stuff, why are you still talking ot me go away you wierdo, stalker.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 27 Nov 12 14:16
Is Ralph related to Eric Morris by any chance?Cry
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 27 Nov 12 14:25
rock on ruby 7/2 on here ,if newcastle is called off would race bet switched to newbury?
By:
turnip turns
When: 27 Nov 12 14:30
AP bets are void if the venue changesWink
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