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6-7420 Aaim To Prosper72 8 Brian Meehan 107 90 109
408213 Address Unknown56 5 Ian Williams 99 87 103
3/41-2 Albert Bridge160 4 Ralph Beckett 82 30 88
13141 Alhellal112 6 M Phelan — 83 89
698-80 Ashbrittle52 5 David Pipe 87 72 99
27-087 Astral Thunder63 5 Marco Botti 94 92 95
2216-1 Astromagick142 4 Mark H Tompkins 77 48 81
01-531 Awesome Pearl67 3 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 79 67 85
906450 Becausewecan50 6 Mark Johnston 81 76 83
0-7996 Bernie The Bolt63 6 Andrew Balding 87 79 95
1/17-4 Beyond73 5 David Pipe 88 63 91
1-2327 Beyond Conceit49 3 Tom Tate 88 83 92
21212 Biographer49 3 David Lanigan 95 102 99
1-3544 Blazing Field65 4 Clive Cox 79 65 86
456940 Blue Bajan49 10 David O´Meara 98 73 106
135-01 Body Language67 4 Ian Williams 81 79 83
712207 Bordoni133 3 Mark Johnston 82 70 88
069/6- Bothy414 6 Brian Ellison 79 — —
0-5273 Buy Back Bob50 5 A J Martin — 73 88
348475 Calaf50 4 Brian Ellison 81 81 87
64/358 Cape Express52 7 Nicky Henderson 84 77 91
110-40 Cosimo de Medici116 5 Hughie Morrison 86 63 90
51341- Countrywide Flame184J 4 John Quinn 84 42 90
112110 Courtesy Call49 3 Mark Johnston 82 72 79
2952-2 Cry For The Moon75 6 J H Culloty — 83 87
22296 Dark Ranger78 6 Tim Pitt 84 87 93
62/88- Darley Sun364 6 Saeed Bin Suroor 102 49 104
72743 Dazinski52 6 Mark H Tompkins 88 91 95
13636/ Decoy101J 6 David Pipe 84 — —
842-70 Downhiller52 7 John Dunlop 85 67 82
5-3426 Eagle Rock52 4 Tom Tate 82 85 88
242-00 Ermyn Lodge63 6 Pat Phelan 93 33 90
1-6335 Eternal Bounty49 3 David Wachman — 89 96
345-41 Ethics Girl65 6 John Berry 80 79 84
3-2400 French Hollow52 7 Tim Fitzgerald 81 72 86
58225 Gabrial´s Star49 3 Bryan Smart 85 82 88
12462 Gassin Golf56 3 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 93 92 97
24-038 Gordonsville73 9 Jim Goldie 80 62 89
132710 Herostatus52 5 David O´Meara 87 73 92
4/11- Hidden Universe342 6 D K Weld — 69 94
776-24 Huff And Puff50 5 Amanda Perrett 79 74 —
030810 Hurricane Higgins49 4 Mark Johnston 101 92 103
02-11 I Have A Dream79 3 A P O´Brien — 87 100
762-30 Icon Dream49 5 Jim Goldie 100 90 104
44485 Jonny Delta65 5 Jim Goldie 72 61 78
101070 Kangaroo Court57 8 Emma Lavelle 78 66 85
94206- Kayef337J 5 Michael Scudamore 82 71 86
11115- Kepler´s Law390 4 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 85 — —
47-191 Kleitomachos91 4 Stuart Kittow 81 78 86
329027 Lexington Bay50 4 Richard Fahey 84 81 89
11-215 Lordofthehouse120 4 William Haggas 88 86 95
7351-2 Los Nadis84J 8 Jim Goldie 78 73 83
60-934 Lyric Street63 4 Ed Dunlop 94 71 99
4312-2 Martial Law85 6 David Pipe 84 32 90
31105/ Martyr748 7 George Baker 97 — —
99960 Merchant Of Dubai50 7 Jim Goldie 83 51 73
260504 Mica Mika56 4 Richard Fahey 81 62 87
14-747 Mohedian Lady98 4 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 103 89 105
52243 Mojolika58 4 Tim Easterby 74 66 82
389539 Montaff63 6 Mick Channon 89 83 93
2-5411 Montaser78 3 David Simcock 95 90 97
513217 Moon Trip49 3 Mark Johnston 86 85 94
4-0814 Motivado49 4 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 103 78 109
47151 Mubaraza63 3 John Dunlop 92 92 98
05434 Mystery Star52 7 Mark H Tompkins 93 94 99
99/530 Nafaath73 6 Neil King 88 50 91
890065 Nanton50 10 Jim Goldie 87 91 91
2/257- Nebula Storm476 5 Gary Moore 100 — —
1-8030 Never Can Tell52 5 Jamie Osborne 100 90 102
8-7263 Notable Graduate71 4 D K Weld — 33 97
124643 O Ma Lad57 4 Sylvester Kirk 80 69 87
02-131 Olympiad52 4 D K Weld — 94 99
42140 Orsippus73 6 Michael Smith 82 66 87
078/2- Pateese154J 7 Philip Hobbs 73 — —
412910 Pokfulham50 6 Jim Goldie 79 64 83
23-210 Qahriman49 4 Luca Cumani 96 83 104
22-244 Repeater49 3 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 95 91 102
201-24 Right Stuff154J 9 Gary Moore 88 87 97
9-1340 Rockfella63 6 Denis Coakley 80 62 88
28731S Romeo Montague73 4 Ed Dunlop 93 90 99
650277 Saborido63 6 Amanda Perrett 75 70 82
173-75 Samarkand50 4 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 80 52 64
117-64 Sense Of Purpose96 5 D K Weld — 96 101
686-09 Sentry Duty73 10 Nicky Henderson 87 51 79
64-932 Sohar91 4 James Toller 79 70 85
30/072 Stormy Weather50 6 Brian Ellison 80 56 77
0/4486 Swinging Hawk91 6 Ian Williams 77 87 87
11221 Teak77 5 Ian Williams 75 79 80
24046- Ted Spread211J 5 Paul Nicholls 104 — —
1-0141 Telbes83 4 M Delzangles — 76 97
54-078 Tominator49 5 Reg Hollinshead 97 91 101
001203 Trovare63 5 Amanda Perrett 80 83 84
332-6 Valid Reason57 5 Dean Ivory 83 71 88
347102 Very Good Day52 5 Mick Channon 91 94 98
19850 War Poet50 5 David O´Meara 92 86 98
0-6120 Western Prize52 4 Ralph Beckett 90 75 92
27/11- Whispering Gallery583 6 Saeed Bin Suroor 110 — —
Motivado (10) , I Have A Dream (12) , Olympiad (12) , Montaser (14) , Hidden Universe (16) , Lordofthehouse (16) , Alhellal (20) , Biographer (20) , Countrywide Flame (20) , Decoy (20) , Eternal Bounty (20) , Hurricane Higgins (20) , Keplers Law (20) , Moon Trip (20) , Mubaraza (20) , Never Can Tell (20) , Telbes (20) , Whispering Gallery (20) , Address Unknown (25) , Albert Bridge (25) - OTHERS 25 or more
408213 Address Unknown56 5 Ian Williams 99 87 103
3/41-2 Albert Bridge160 4 Ralph Beckett 82 30 88
13141 Alhellal112 6 M Phelan — 83 89
698-80 Ashbrittle52 5 David Pipe 87 72 99
27-087 Astral Thunder63 5 Marco Botti 94 92 95
2216-1 Astromagick142 4 Mark H Tompkins 77 48 81
01-531 Awesome Pearl67 3 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 79 67 85
906450 Becausewecan50 6 Mark Johnston 81 76 83
0-7996 Bernie The Bolt63 6 Andrew Balding 87 79 95
1/17-4 Beyond73 5 David Pipe 88 63 91
1-2327 Beyond Conceit49 3 Tom Tate 88 83 92
21212 Biographer49 3 David Lanigan 95 102 99
1-3544 Blazing Field65 4 Clive Cox 79 65 86
456940 Blue Bajan49 10 David O´Meara 98 73 106
135-01 Body Language67 4 Ian Williams 81 79 83
712207 Bordoni133 3 Mark Johnston 82 70 88
069/6- Bothy414 6 Brian Ellison 79 — —
0-5273 Buy Back Bob50 5 A J Martin — 73 88
348475 Calaf50 4 Brian Ellison 81 81 87
64/358 Cape Express52 7 Nicky Henderson 84 77 91
110-40 Cosimo de Medici116 5 Hughie Morrison 86 63 90
51341- Countrywide Flame184J 4 John Quinn 84 42 90
112110 Courtesy Call49 3 Mark Johnston 82 72 79
2952-2 Cry For The Moon75 6 J H Culloty — 83 87
22296 Dark Ranger78 6 Tim Pitt 84 87 93
62/88- Darley Sun364 6 Saeed Bin Suroor 102 49 104
72743 Dazinski52 6 Mark H Tompkins 88 91 95
13636/ Decoy101J 6 David Pipe 84 — —
842-70 Downhiller52 7 John Dunlop 85 67 82
5-3426 Eagle Rock52 4 Tom Tate 82 85 88
242-00 Ermyn Lodge63 6 Pat Phelan 93 33 90
1-6335 Eternal Bounty49 3 David Wachman — 89 96
345-41 Ethics Girl65 6 John Berry 80 79 84
3-2400 French Hollow52 7 Tim Fitzgerald 81 72 86
58225 Gabrial´s Star49 3 Bryan Smart 85 82 88
12462 Gassin Golf56 3 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 93 92 97
24-038 Gordonsville73 9 Jim Goldie 80 62 89
132710 Herostatus52 5 David O´Meara 87 73 92
4/11- Hidden Universe342 6 D K Weld — 69 94
776-24 Huff And Puff50 5 Amanda Perrett 79 74 —
030810 Hurricane Higgins49 4 Mark Johnston 101 92 103
02-11 I Have A Dream79 3 A P O´Brien — 87 100
762-30 Icon Dream49 5 Jim Goldie 100 90 104
44485 Jonny Delta65 5 Jim Goldie 72 61 78
101070 Kangaroo Court57 8 Emma Lavelle 78 66 85
94206- Kayef337J 5 Michael Scudamore 82 71 86
11115- Kepler´s Law390 4 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 85 — —
47-191 Kleitomachos91 4 Stuart Kittow 81 78 86
329027 Lexington Bay50 4 Richard Fahey 84 81 89
11-215 Lordofthehouse120 4 William Haggas 88 86 95
7351-2 Los Nadis84J 8 Jim Goldie 78 73 83
60-934 Lyric Street63 4 Ed Dunlop 94 71 99
4312-2 Martial Law85 6 David Pipe 84 32 90
31105/ Martyr748 7 George Baker 97 — —
99960 Merchant Of Dubai50 7 Jim Goldie 83 51 73
260504 Mica Mika56 4 Richard Fahey 81 62 87
14-747 Mohedian Lady98 4 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 103 89 105
52243 Mojolika58 4 Tim Easterby 74 66 82
389539 Montaff63 6 Mick Channon 89 83 93
2-5411 Montaser78 3 David Simcock 95 90 97
513217 Moon Trip49 3 Mark Johnston 86 85 94
4-0814 Motivado49 4 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 103 78 109
47151 Mubaraza63 3 John Dunlop 92 92 98
05434 Mystery Star52 7 Mark H Tompkins 93 94 99
99/530 Nafaath73 6 Neil King 88 50 91
890065 Nanton50 10 Jim Goldie 87 91 91
2/257- Nebula Storm476 5 Gary Moore 100 — —
1-8030 Never Can Tell52 5 Jamie Osborne 100 90 102
8-7263 Notable Graduate71 4 D K Weld — 33 97
124643 O Ma Lad57 4 Sylvester Kirk 80 69 87
02-131 Olympiad52 4 D K Weld — 94 99
42140 Orsippus73 6 Michael Smith 82 66 87
078/2- Pateese154J 7 Philip Hobbs 73 — —
412910 Pokfulham50 6 Jim Goldie 79 64 83
23-210 Qahriman49 4 Luca Cumani 96 83 104
22-244 Repeater49 3 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 95 91 102
201-24 Right Stuff154J 9 Gary Moore 88 87 97
9-1340 Rockfella63 6 Denis Coakley 80 62 88
28731S Romeo Montague73 4 Ed Dunlop 93 90 99
650277 Saborido63 6 Amanda Perrett 75 70 82
173-75 Samarkand50 4 Sir Mark Prescott Bt 80 52 64
117-64 Sense Of Purpose96 5 D K Weld — 96 101
686-09 Sentry Duty73 10 Nicky Henderson 87 51 79
64-932 Sohar91 4 James Toller 79 70 85
30/072 Stormy Weather50 6 Brian Ellison 80 56 77
0/4486 Swinging Hawk91 6 Ian Williams 77 87 87
11221 Teak77 5 Ian Williams 75 79 80
24046- Ted Spread211J 5 Paul Nicholls 104 — —
1-0141 Telbes83 4 M Delzangles — 76 97
54-078 Tominator49 5 Reg Hollinshead 97 91 101
001203 Trovare63 5 Amanda Perrett 80 83 84
332-6 Valid Reason57 5 Dean Ivory 83 71 88
347102 Very Good Day52 5 Mick Channon 91 94 98
19850 War Poet50 5 David O´Meara 92 86 98
0-6120 Western Prize52 4 Ralph Beckett 90 75 92
27/11- Whispering Gallery583 6 Saeed Bin Suroor 110 — —
Motivado (10) , I Have A Dream (12) , Olympiad (12) , Montaser (14) , Hidden Universe (16) , Lordofthehouse (16) , Alhellal (20) , Biographer (20) , Countrywide Flame (20) , Decoy (20) , Eternal Bounty (20) , Hurricane Higgins (20) , Keplers Law (20) , Moon Trip (20) , Mubaraza (20) , Never Can Tell (20) , Telbes (20) , Whispering Gallery (20) , Address Unknown (25) , Albert Bridge (25) - OTHERS 25 or more
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Just seen from other thread that Montaser is 1st reserve - must be the top 34 are taking their place. That must be really unusal
Bit of a disappointment again (following Face the Problem!) Was confident both would have won.
Will now have to pin hopes on my 'saver' on CWF (but only 25k).
Its all good fun!
Will now have to pin hopes on my 'saver' on CWF (but only 25k).
Its all good fun!
NO. DRAW HORSE AGE WGT TRAINER RTF% JOCKEY OR TS RPR
11 742096 Aaim To Prosper16 8 9-10 Brian Meehan58 Kieren Fallon 107 90 113
213 4-0814 Motivado49 4 9-6 Sir Mark Prescott Bt50 Luke Morris 103 86 117
34 082130 Address Unknown35 tp 5 9-2 Ian Williams31 Tom Queally 99 99 114
419 081033 Hurricane Higgins29 4 9-2 Mark Johnston48 Joe Fanning 99 87 122
53 07814 Tominator29 5 9-1 Jonjo O´Neill Jamie Spencer 98 104 117
614 62-308 Icon Dream42 5 9-1 Jim Goldie25 William Buick 98 103 116
715 105/04 Martyr16 7 9-0 George Baker80 Richard Hughes 97 92 117
85 694049 Blue Bajan29 10 9-0 David O´Meara50 Michael Hills 97 97 117
933 02-131 Olympiad52 4 8-13 D K Weld43 Pat Smullen 96 109 113
1035 0-9346 Lyric Street35 b1 4 8-11 Ed Dunlop62 Darren Egan5 94 95 116
1132 7-0877 Astral Thunder14 b 5 8-11 Marco Botti67 James Doyle 94 109 111
1236 2-1171 I Have A Dream35 4x 3 8-11 A P O´Brien75 Ryan Moore 106 104 126
1322 347102 Very Good Day52 5 8-10 Mick Channon50 Martin Harley 93 112 115
1418 242-00 Ermyn Lodge63 v 6 8-10 Pat Phelan50 Ian Mongan 93 51 107
1517 61206 Western Prize29 4 8-7 Ralph Beckett63 Jim Crowley 90 100 116
1631 895397 Montaff29 6 8-6 Mick Channon50 Andrea Atzeni 89 105 115
1712 01-248 Right Stuff17 9 8-5 Gary Moore38 John Fahy 88 54 84
1827 1-215R Lordofthehouse16 4 8-5 William Haggas60 Adam Beschizza 88 109 117
196 99/530 Nafaath15J 6 8-5 Neil King Mickael Barzalona 88 73 114
2016 0/0721 Stormy Weather25 4xhb 6 8-5 Brian Ellison57 Martin Lane 88 109 115
217 1341-1 Countrywide Flame29 4x 4 8-5 John Quinn75 Jimmy Quinn 88 106 115
2229 686-09 Sentry Duty73 10 8-4 Nicky Henderson 87 75 103
2311 79965 Bernie The Bolt21 6 8-4 Andrew Balding68 David Probert 87 103 117
2434 698-80 Ashbrittle41J b 5 8-3 David Pipe Martin Dwyer 86 97 124
2510 1/17-4 Beyond73 5 8-3 David Pipe Conor Hoban5 86 88 116
2630 13141 Alhellal112 6 8-3 M Phelan Wayne Lordan 86 108 114
2721 10-404 Cosimo de Medici22 t 5 8-3 Hughie Morrison42 Nicky Mackay 86 88 115
2826 952-20 Cry For The Moon35 6 8-3 J H Culloty100 Chris Hayes 86 108 112
2925 41-201 Albert Bridge21 4x 4 8-3 Ralph Beckett63 Harry Bentley 86 86 119
302 11115- Kepler´s Law390 4 8-2 Sir Mark Prescott Bt50 Chris Catlin 85 — —
3123 312-23 Martial Law29 b 6 8-1 David Pipe Kieran O'Neill 84 107 117
3224 13636/ Decoy41J b 6 8-1 David Pipe Hayley Turner 84 — —
3328 222964 Dark Ranger21 6 8-1 Tim Pitt James Sullivan 84 114 118
349 643881 O Ma Lad15 4x 4 8-1 Sylvester Kirk75 Raul Da Silva3 84 96 113
3520 54112 Montaser23 3 8-0 David Simcock79 Franny Norton 95 118 132
368 34263 Eagle Rock21 4 7-13 Tom Tate Dominic Fox3 82 114 116
Montaser: reserve Eagle Rock: reserve
11 742096 Aaim To Prosper16 8 9-10 Brian Meehan58 Kieren Fallon 107 90 113
213 4-0814 Motivado49 4 9-6 Sir Mark Prescott Bt50 Luke Morris 103 86 117
34 082130 Address Unknown35 tp 5 9-2 Ian Williams31 Tom Queally 99 99 114
419 081033 Hurricane Higgins29 4 9-2 Mark Johnston48 Joe Fanning 99 87 122
53 07814 Tominator29 5 9-1 Jonjo O´Neill Jamie Spencer 98 104 117
614 62-308 Icon Dream42 5 9-1 Jim Goldie25 William Buick 98 103 116
715 105/04 Martyr16 7 9-0 George Baker80 Richard Hughes 97 92 117
85 694049 Blue Bajan29 10 9-0 David O´Meara50 Michael Hills 97 97 117
933 02-131 Olympiad52 4 8-13 D K Weld43 Pat Smullen 96 109 113
1035 0-9346 Lyric Street35 b1 4 8-11 Ed Dunlop62 Darren Egan5 94 95 116
1132 7-0877 Astral Thunder14 b 5 8-11 Marco Botti67 James Doyle 94 109 111
1236 2-1171 I Have A Dream35 4x 3 8-11 A P O´Brien75 Ryan Moore 106 104 126
1322 347102 Very Good Day52 5 8-10 Mick Channon50 Martin Harley 93 112 115
1418 242-00 Ermyn Lodge63 v 6 8-10 Pat Phelan50 Ian Mongan 93 51 107
1517 61206 Western Prize29 4 8-7 Ralph Beckett63 Jim Crowley 90 100 116
1631 895397 Montaff29 6 8-6 Mick Channon50 Andrea Atzeni 89 105 115
1712 01-248 Right Stuff17 9 8-5 Gary Moore38 John Fahy 88 54 84
1827 1-215R Lordofthehouse16 4 8-5 William Haggas60 Adam Beschizza 88 109 117
196 99/530 Nafaath15J 6 8-5 Neil King Mickael Barzalona 88 73 114
2016 0/0721 Stormy Weather25 4xhb 6 8-5 Brian Ellison57 Martin Lane 88 109 115
217 1341-1 Countrywide Flame29 4x 4 8-5 John Quinn75 Jimmy Quinn 88 106 115
2229 686-09 Sentry Duty73 10 8-4 Nicky Henderson 87 75 103
2311 79965 Bernie The Bolt21 6 8-4 Andrew Balding68 David Probert 87 103 117
2434 698-80 Ashbrittle41J b 5 8-3 David Pipe Martin Dwyer 86 97 124
2510 1/17-4 Beyond73 5 8-3 David Pipe Conor Hoban5 86 88 116
2630 13141 Alhellal112 6 8-3 M Phelan Wayne Lordan 86 108 114
2721 10-404 Cosimo de Medici22 t 5 8-3 Hughie Morrison42 Nicky Mackay 86 88 115
2826 952-20 Cry For The Moon35 6 8-3 J H Culloty100 Chris Hayes 86 108 112
2925 41-201 Albert Bridge21 4x 4 8-3 Ralph Beckett63 Harry Bentley 86 86 119
302 11115- Kepler´s Law390 4 8-2 Sir Mark Prescott Bt50 Chris Catlin 85 — —
3123 312-23 Martial Law29 b 6 8-1 David Pipe Kieran O'Neill 84 107 117
3224 13636/ Decoy41J b 6 8-1 David Pipe Hayley Turner 84 — —
3328 222964 Dark Ranger21 6 8-1 Tim Pitt James Sullivan 84 114 118
349 643881 O Ma Lad15 4x 4 8-1 Sylvester Kirk75 Raul Da Silva3 84 96 113
3520 54112 Montaser23 3 8-0 David Simcock79 Franny Norton 95 118 132
368 34263 Eagle Rock21 4 7-13 Tom Tate Dominic Fox3 82 114 116
Montaser: reserve Eagle Rock: reserve
Does anyone have the 10 year trends for this race, particularly the minimum number of runs a horse has won this race with. These huge field handicaps where there is an emphasis on stamina usually require the experience to go with it. This is why I was against Haggas's horse in the Cambridgeshire.
Unoriginal but im looking at Olympiad, but he's had just the 6 run, but on the positive side is a 4yo so should be fully mature.
Unoriginal but im looking at Olympiad, but he's had just the 6 run, but on the positive side is a 4yo so should be fully mature.
The Betfred Cesarewitch takes place at Newmarket on Saturday 13th October and as always will be a wide open affair with around 30 runners going to post. It makes up the second part of the Autumn Double with the Cambridgeshire, which was won by Bronze Angel two weeks ago.
Below we take a look at the trends for the past 10 years:
Age (Win-Place-Runners)
3yo: 1-1-17
4yo: 2-9-107
5yo: 1-8-82
6yo: 3-8-54
7yo: 1-2-38
8yo+: 2-2-35
Horses aged 6+ hold an advantage with a combined record of 6-12-127 compared to horses aged 3 to 5 (4-18-206).
4 of the 6 winners aged 6+ had run over hurdles that year.
Weights
Horses carrying 9-7 or more: 1-1-19
Horses carrying 9-0 to 9-6: 3-5-66
Horses carrying 8-7 to 8-13: 2-12-91
Horses carrying 8-0 to 8-6: 3-6-78
Horses carrying 7-7 to 7-13: 1-4-70
Horses carrying 7-6 or less: 0-2-9
No strong trend to be gleaned from the weights of the winners.
Top Weight: 00000005904 (0-1-11)
Horses carrying a penalty (1-5-45) don’t have a great record with just 6 of 45 runners making the frame, though they did fill the 1st & 3rd in 2011.
Official Ratings
Horses rated 76 to 86: 2-13-137
Horses rated 87 to 98: 7-14-166
Horses rated 99 to 109: 1-3-30
7 of 10 winners (including last 6) were officially rated 87 to 98. That ratings bracket has also accounted for 16 of the 20 places in past 5 runnings.
Recent/Past Form
9 of 10 winners (last 8) finished in the first 4 on their last flat start
7 of 10 winners posted their highest flat RPR on last flat start
9 of 10 winners ran at class 3 or higher last time out
9 of 10 winners had run at least 4 times that year (flat or hurdles)
8 of 10 winners had run in 12 or fewer handicaps
9 of 10 winners had won no more than 3 handicaps
10 of 10 winners had won a race over 2M+ (flat or hurdles)
7 of 10 winners had run at listed or group level
5 of 10 winners had won over hurdles (4 of the 5 had run at the Cheltenham Festival that year)
Other Races
Hill Dickinson Handicap winner (Countrywide Flame): 1 (1-0-1)
Shergar Cup Stayers winner (Address Unknown): 0017 (1-0-4)
John Guest Brown Jack Stakes winner (Montaser): 008010 (1-0-6)
Bet At bluesquare.com Stakes winner (Lordofthehouse): 00 (0-0-2)
BetVictor.com Stakes winner (Olympiad): 000 (0-0-3)
Isle Of Skye Handicap winner (Albert Bridge): 000 (0-0-3)
Goodwood Stakes winner (Hurricane Higgins): 500000 (0-0-6)
4 of 10 winners ran in the Northumberland Plate, finishing 0108
3 of 10 winners ran in the Ascot Stakes, finishing 243
3 of 10 winners (3 of last 4) ran in John Guest Brown Jack Stakes, finishing 512
2 of 10 winners ran in the Shergar Cup Stayers handicap, finishing 14
2 of 10 winners ran in Doncaster Cup last time, finishing 22
2 of 10 winners ran in Gordon Carter H'cap last time, finishing 33
Trainers
Nicky Henderson (2-1-8) has gained 2 winners and a second from his 8 runners in the past 10 years.
Mark Johnston (1-1-17), David Simcock (1-0-1) and Brian Meehan (1-0-2) have all trained the winner once since 2002.
Tim Fitzgerald (0-2-3) saddled Inchnadamph to finish 3rd-2nd-5th in 3 consecutive years, while Dermot Weld (0-2-4) trained Direct Bearing to be placed twice in the race and David Pipe (0-2-8) has also saddled 2 placed finishers in past 10 runnings.
Trainers who were predominantly focused on NH have won 6 of the last 12 runnings since 2000 (Martin Pipe X 2, Nicky Henderson X 2, Tony Martin and Philip Hobbs).
Irish-trained runners (1-4-16) have made the frame with 5 of 16 runners.
Draw
Horses drawn 1 to 12: 7-12-120
Horses drawn 13 to 24: 2-11-120
Horses drawn 25 or higher: 1-7-93
Surprisingly for a race run over 2M 2F, there is a large big draw bias towards horses drawn low with 7 of the last 10 winners begin drawn 1 to 12.
Horses drawn 1 to 5: 4-6-50. The bottom 5 stalls have produced 4 of last 10 winners and taken a quarter of the places from just over 15% of the total runners.
Price
8 of 10 winners were priced 16/1 or below
Caracciola was a shock 50/1 winner in 2008 and Never Can Tell at 25/1 last year have been the 2 big upsets with the other 8 winners since 2002 all going off 16/1 or below.
Favourites (2-4-12) have won 2 of the last 10 and giving a level stakes profit of 1.00.
Racing Style
8 of 10 winners were held up or settled in mid division
This is clearly not an easy race to be up with the pace early and stay there with only 2 winners racing prominently, including last year’s winner, Never Can Tell, who made all.
Summary:
Based on trends from the past 10 years you are looking for a horse:
Non-hurdler aged 3 to 5 or hurdles runner aged 6+
Officially rated 87 to 98
Finished in the first 4 last time in a class 3 or higher
Posted highest RPR last time out
Run in 12 or fewer flat handicaps (winning no more than 3)
Won over at least 2 miles
Won over hurdles (and ran at this year’s Cheltenham Festival)
Previously contested a group or listed race
Previously won a class 2 or 3 handicap
Ran in this season’s Northumberland Plate
First 5 in Ascot Stakes, Shergar Cup Stayers or John Guest Brown Jack H’cap
Placed in Doncaster Cup or Gordon Carter H’cap last time
Drawn 1 to 12 (ideally in 1 to 5)
Tends to be held up or settled in midfield
Trained by Nicky Henderson
Below we take a look at the trends for the past 10 years:
Age (Win-Place-Runners)
3yo: 1-1-17
4yo: 2-9-107
5yo: 1-8-82
6yo: 3-8-54
7yo: 1-2-38
8yo+: 2-2-35
Horses aged 6+ hold an advantage with a combined record of 6-12-127 compared to horses aged 3 to 5 (4-18-206).
4 of the 6 winners aged 6+ had run over hurdles that year.
Weights
Horses carrying 9-7 or more: 1-1-19
Horses carrying 9-0 to 9-6: 3-5-66
Horses carrying 8-7 to 8-13: 2-12-91
Horses carrying 8-0 to 8-6: 3-6-78
Horses carrying 7-7 to 7-13: 1-4-70
Horses carrying 7-6 or less: 0-2-9
No strong trend to be gleaned from the weights of the winners.
Top Weight: 00000005904 (0-1-11)
Horses carrying a penalty (1-5-45) don’t have a great record with just 6 of 45 runners making the frame, though they did fill the 1st & 3rd in 2011.
Official Ratings
Horses rated 76 to 86: 2-13-137
Horses rated 87 to 98: 7-14-166
Horses rated 99 to 109: 1-3-30
7 of 10 winners (including last 6) were officially rated 87 to 98. That ratings bracket has also accounted for 16 of the 20 places in past 5 runnings.
Recent/Past Form
9 of 10 winners (last 8) finished in the first 4 on their last flat start
7 of 10 winners posted their highest flat RPR on last flat start
9 of 10 winners ran at class 3 or higher last time out
9 of 10 winners had run at least 4 times that year (flat or hurdles)
8 of 10 winners had run in 12 or fewer handicaps
9 of 10 winners had won no more than 3 handicaps
10 of 10 winners had won a race over 2M+ (flat or hurdles)
7 of 10 winners had run at listed or group level
5 of 10 winners had won over hurdles (4 of the 5 had run at the Cheltenham Festival that year)
Other Races
Hill Dickinson Handicap winner (Countrywide Flame): 1 (1-0-1)
Shergar Cup Stayers winner (Address Unknown): 0017 (1-0-4)
John Guest Brown Jack Stakes winner (Montaser): 008010 (1-0-6)
Bet At bluesquare.com Stakes winner (Lordofthehouse): 00 (0-0-2)
BetVictor.com Stakes winner (Olympiad): 000 (0-0-3)
Isle Of Skye Handicap winner (Albert Bridge): 000 (0-0-3)
Goodwood Stakes winner (Hurricane Higgins): 500000 (0-0-6)
4 of 10 winners ran in the Northumberland Plate, finishing 0108
3 of 10 winners ran in the Ascot Stakes, finishing 243
3 of 10 winners (3 of last 4) ran in John Guest Brown Jack Stakes, finishing 512
2 of 10 winners ran in the Shergar Cup Stayers handicap, finishing 14
2 of 10 winners ran in Doncaster Cup last time, finishing 22
2 of 10 winners ran in Gordon Carter H'cap last time, finishing 33
Trainers
Nicky Henderson (2-1-8) has gained 2 winners and a second from his 8 runners in the past 10 years.
Mark Johnston (1-1-17), David Simcock (1-0-1) and Brian Meehan (1-0-2) have all trained the winner once since 2002.
Tim Fitzgerald (0-2-3) saddled Inchnadamph to finish 3rd-2nd-5th in 3 consecutive years, while Dermot Weld (0-2-4) trained Direct Bearing to be placed twice in the race and David Pipe (0-2-8) has also saddled 2 placed finishers in past 10 runnings.
Trainers who were predominantly focused on NH have won 6 of the last 12 runnings since 2000 (Martin Pipe X 2, Nicky Henderson X 2, Tony Martin and Philip Hobbs).
Irish-trained runners (1-4-16) have made the frame with 5 of 16 runners.
Draw
Horses drawn 1 to 12: 7-12-120
Horses drawn 13 to 24: 2-11-120
Horses drawn 25 or higher: 1-7-93
Surprisingly for a race run over 2M 2F, there is a large big draw bias towards horses drawn low with 7 of the last 10 winners begin drawn 1 to 12.
Horses drawn 1 to 5: 4-6-50. The bottom 5 stalls have produced 4 of last 10 winners and taken a quarter of the places from just over 15% of the total runners.
Price
8 of 10 winners were priced 16/1 or below
Caracciola was a shock 50/1 winner in 2008 and Never Can Tell at 25/1 last year have been the 2 big upsets with the other 8 winners since 2002 all going off 16/1 or below.
Favourites (2-4-12) have won 2 of the last 10 and giving a level stakes profit of 1.00.
Racing Style
8 of 10 winners were held up or settled in mid division
This is clearly not an easy race to be up with the pace early and stay there with only 2 winners racing prominently, including last year’s winner, Never Can Tell, who made all.
Summary:
Based on trends from the past 10 years you are looking for a horse:
Non-hurdler aged 3 to 5 or hurdles runner aged 6+
Officially rated 87 to 98
Finished in the first 4 last time in a class 3 or higher
Posted highest RPR last time out
Run in 12 or fewer flat handicaps (winning no more than 3)
Won over at least 2 miles
Won over hurdles (and ran at this year’s Cheltenham Festival)
Previously contested a group or listed race
Previously won a class 2 or 3 handicap
Ran in this season’s Northumberland Plate
First 5 in Ascot Stakes, Shergar Cup Stayers or John Guest Brown Jack H’cap
Placed in Doncaster Cup or Gordon Carter H’cap last time
Drawn 1 to 12 (ideally in 1 to 5)
Tends to be held up or settled in midfield
Trained by Nicky Henderson
Thanks BJG
sint as far as Olympiad is concerned, if you are worried about experience surely the fact that he has only run 6 times coming the end of his 4yo season, it would indicate that he has either been injury prone or is immature. I'd be surprised if a horse with so few runs had won but that wouldn't stop me backing him if I thought he was the right horse.
A bigger concern for Olympiad would be the draw stat imo if you follow them.
For him, I think his chance depends on how much rain they get
sint as far as Olympiad is concerned, if you are worried about experience surely the fact that he has only run 6 times coming the end of his 4yo season, it would indicate that he has either been injury prone or is immature. I'd be surprised if a horse with so few runs had won but that wouldn't stop me backing him if I thought he was the right horse.
A bigger concern for Olympiad would be the draw stat imo if you follow them.
For him, I think his chance depends on how much rain they get
He is by Galileo and has won on Soft. The going does not concern me THAT much but agree the draw could be the killer. 33 is nearly as bad as Orfevre.
He must be lightly raced due to having some injuries, minor ones though.
Dermot Weld's usually run well in this, has won it before and saddled the 5th last year, who has not ran since fwiw, Rainforest Magic.
All in all, lack of exp and bad draw, I think i'll wait until Saturday as the books may try and get him. He has drifted to 14/1 already. I'll see whats on offer on Saturday.
Just had a look at BTB. I can see the appeal with his handicap mark, and he should be gaining fitness with each run. Being 6yo the more runs he has the better, and his best run of the season was his last one. He appears to like quick ground though, all his wins have been on G or better, but at 33/1 he looks a decent outsider. gl.
He must be lightly raced due to having some injuries, minor ones though.
Dermot Weld's usually run well in this, has won it before and saddled the 5th last year, who has not ran since fwiw, Rainforest Magic.
All in all, lack of exp and bad draw, I think i'll wait until Saturday as the books may try and get him. He has drifted to 14/1 already. I'll see whats on offer on Saturday.
Just had a look at BTB. I can see the appeal with his handicap mark, and he should be gaining fitness with each run. Being 6yo the more runs he has the better, and his best run of the season was his last one. He appears to like quick ground though, all his wins have been on G or better, but at 33/1 he looks a decent outsider. gl.
Bernie the Bolt drawn in 11, i really surprised at the price being so big.
BHA Admin going for Newmarket Saturday
NEWMARKET (Updated: 8:44) Good to Soft
(GoingStick: 7.3 on Wednesday at 14:00)
Stalls: Stand Side Course
Stalls: 18f Far Side
Stalls: Remainder Stand Side
The re-positioning of the bend into the home straight has
increased the distance of the Cesarewitch by 10m.
3mm of overnight rain.
Friday - Overnight rain clearing to leave a breezy and
largely dry day.
Saturday - Sunny spells and possible light showers.
NEWMARKET (Updated: 8:44) Good to Soft
(GoingStick: 7.3 on Wednesday at 14:00)
Stalls: Stand Side Course
Stalls: 18f Far Side
Stalls: Remainder Stand Side
The re-positioning of the bend into the home straight has
increased the distance of the Cesarewitch by 10m.
3mm of overnight rain.
Friday - Overnight rain clearing to leave a breezy and
largely dry day.
Saturday - Sunny spells and possible light showers.
I'm rarely a favourite backer but I really fancy Countrywide Flame for this. Great draw, will stay, will go on the ground, top class form over hurdles including 4 wins/places in Grade 1 hurdles, had a good recent flat run, carrying a featherweight, could be almost 20 lbs well in based on his hurdles rating.
He might blow this race apart and at the prices I'm more than happy to find out.
He might blow this race apart and at the prices I'm more than happy to find out.
strontium I agree and like you I tend to avoid favs. I've backed Tominator and Bernie the Bolt e/w and I've kept a little back for this fellow. Missed the 9s with JCs yesterday and I am waiting to see if sponsors or someone go 9/10-1 the field for tomorrow now.
Roo, Tominator would be my second choice funnily enough. His last two flat runs have been eyecatching and I think the longer trip will suit.
I see he's with Jonjo now - I'll be looking forward to seeing him over hurdles.
I see he's with Jonjo now - I'll be looking forward to seeing him over hurdles.
Old boy Sentry Duty must have at least a sporting chance. 6th last year off 97, 6th the year before off 102 when 14/1 and 8/1 respectively. The h'capper has at last, for a 10yr old, given him some respite and 87 is just the right sort of mark. An astonishing 35lb swing with Aim To Prosper for a 4L beating two years ago shows how well this is h'cpd imvho. Mr Henderson knows how to get him just right for this race and 70/1 on here is an insult.
Obviously e/w but I am thinking top 3 and hopefully could sneak it.
GL
Obviously e/w but I am thinking top 3 and hopefully could sneak it.
GL
Nice to see Andrew Balding have 2 winners today, getting warmer on Bernie 
Anyone got any thoughts on a Very Good Day? Thought this was interesting at a price
Yes clay, good price and one likely to improve for the step up in trip. My concern with him is that his best form seems to be at flat tracks and so not sure the track will suit.
Liam, Bernie is turning blue - perhaps Tom has looked in for a bit of help
Liam, Bernie is turning blue - perhaps Tom has looked in for a bit of help
Agreed
The books are really shocking. How long has there been an AP book? Baldys I'm sure are one that have gone 33s overnight and now 16s, they sponsor the race ffs. Obviously not weight of money that's done it, purely a defensive position. I'm going to go the local in the morning to see how much they'll take...just to pi55 them off.
In the meantime could you have a word with the horse tell him we do actually need him to win
The books are really shocking. How long has there been an AP book? Baldys I'm sure are one that have gone 33s overnight and now 16s, they sponsor the race ffs. Obviously not weight of money that's done it, purely a defensive position. I'm going to go the local in the morning to see how much they'll take...just to pi55 them off.
In the meantime could you have a word with the horse tell him we do actually need him to win
Cosimo de medici fits all the trends. Quite sweet on this one
Only had a small interest in the Ces so far.
Took the 8.4 in the place/mkt for Bernie The Bolt, looks set for a gd run with a lot in his fav.
Took the 8.4 in the place/mkt for Bernie The Bolt, looks set for a gd run with a lot in his fav.
Liam cancel that invoice to Tom - bemused as to where the money has come from
Anyway good luck all with your picks
Anyway good luck all with your picks
Balding had a couple of winners the other day aswell Liam. Think it is roughly 5 in his last 20 or so. 25% strike rate. Looks like 20's is the top price now.
managed to get 28s on BTB a few days back, surely its getting placed 
everyone knowing that the Cesarewitch is very much a specialist race...and is definitly a race for being targeted at with a certain type of horse.
last year i had 2 x 100 ew doubles on danedream at 33/1 for the arc, and bernie the bolt 33/1 /ashbrittle 33/1 in this race.
they both owe me, but this bernie the bolt is so well hcapped at the moemnt, especially around newmarket at this distance.
gl everyone tomorrow, lets just hope that Derek
Thompson doesnt tip in on the morning line eh!
everyone knowing that the Cesarewitch is very much a specialist race...and is definitly a race for being targeted at with a certain type of horse.
last year i had 2 x 100 ew doubles on danedream at 33/1 for the arc, and bernie the bolt 33/1 /ashbrittle 33/1 in this race.
they both owe me, but this bernie the bolt is so well hcapped at the moemnt, especially around newmarket at this distance.
gl everyone tomorrow, lets just hope that Derek
Thompson doesnt tip in on the morning line eh!
Blue Bajan. I think he is massively overpriced. Has come way down in weights since last year. was 113 last year, running today of 97 and seems to be coming back to form in last 2 races. in haydock 2 races ago got no run at all over 14 furlongs and finished best of all. last time no pace at all, was marginally hampered and was only beat 3 and 3/4 lenghts to sir graham wade. will be well suited to step up in trip today and o meara is in great form at mo. very well draw in 5. m hills is a negative but u cant have it all. have had a good each way bet. best of luck.
Add to that Bernie pl bet, had a little bit ew Montaser 14s (Hills)
Gd luck all.
Gd luck all.
Wat a sickening result that is 
No idea how the 2nd or 3rd av nt won
No idea how the 2nd or 3rd av nt won
Pickard would not have laid out of his ground so far, plus he would have claimed 3lbs, bad thinking by the connections of TOMINATOR, I suppose they don't trust anybody who isn't IRISH.
66/1 skinner to go with the 40/1 skinner in the Arc last weekend. Bookies having it all their own way at the moment.
Congrats to anyone who backed the winner. One cannot begrudge him his victory under that weight!
Disappointed that Repeater didn't get the chance to show what he could do, but well done Aaim to Prosper (although you cost me 34k!).
Hope springs eternal!
Disappointed that Repeater didn't get the chance to show what he could do, but well done Aaim to Prosper (although you cost me 34k!).
Hope springs eternal!
Countrywide Flame
Btn by less disatnce than he was carried by the winner. Unlucky loser imo.
Btn by less disatnce than he was carried by the winner. Unlucky loser imo.
Thats 2 weeks in a row ive had the moral victor but the 2nd placed finisher 
sigh
sigh
I ended up getting the 10s on CF but imo the winner was always holding him - no complaints here
He was beaten fair and square.
The penalty probably made the difference - if only he had got beaten at Chester!
As noted earlier few win Ces carrying a penalty.
The penalty probably made the difference - if only he had got beaten at Chester!
As noted earlier few win Ces carrying a penalty.
I did declare that I was NOT happy with the booking of SPENSER, read the effing posts MORONS.
Baz - u av bin getting progressively angry, confrontational + sadly tedious 4 a while now, whilst also struggling to come to terms with ... you tube, equdia pro, pop ups ... the on/off button etc.
May i suggest some cheese herb
May i suggest some cheese herb
TT how s trix ? u had alook at the munsta nat yet ? wot ya make of Quietly fancied in the first time blinkers -fink there made 4 the yampy fukkk 
Put yourself in the position of a trainer who has trained a horse for 2 years or more and aims his horse at a big handicap, but overlooks which jockey he books, that jockey does his usual hold up excercise and in just 2 minutes he spoils ALL of yourwork and you are out of pocket BECAUSE YOU DID NOT EMPLOY THE BEST JOCKEY FOR THE JOB.
Said trainer deserves to fail after showing such ineptitude wudn't u say ?
My darling Bazz
I know you struggle with video so link here to said horse's finest moment. You are quite right Pickard had the horse right up with the pace, didn't give the leaders a yard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MaEPgztUqA
Connections comments post race
Andrew Hollinshead, the trainer´s son and assistant: "His pedigree is laden with stamina so I never had any worriesthat he wouldn´t stay. He´s a better horse being held in a truly run race and things worked out beautifully for him."
By the way, first three home all drawn single figures - just a coincidence I guess
I know you struggle with video so link here to said horse's finest moment. You are quite right Pickard had the horse right up with the pace, didn't give the leaders a yard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MaEPgztUqA
Connections comments post race
Andrew Hollinshead, the trainer´s son and assistant: "His pedigree is laden with stamina so I never had any worriesthat he wouldn´t stay. He´s a better horse being held in a truly run race and things worked out beautifully for him."
By the way, first three home all drawn single figures - just a coincidence I guess
Liam,tricks good thanks,although bad day yesters will be steering clear of the munsta,looks a minefield tbh
good luckers if you play things good with chew ?
will be steering clear of the munsta,looks a minefield tbh good luckers if you play things good with chew ?
ROOBUCK, don't call me your DARLING, I am nothing of the sort,the FACT that the first three were drawn in single figures, does not matter one jot to me and although I read FALLONS column in the WEEKENDER, I chose to ignore the tip on the grounds of the rise in weights from his first win, 25 lbs, but FALLON rode a splendid race and HE deserved the win,
SPENSER is however inflexible in his rides, several years ago he rode a horse for AIDEN O'BRIENS sister named SAOIRSE in our 1,000 guineas, now that is a straight mile, he met trouble in running 3 times, I sent an e-mail pointing out the fact and she replaced SPENSER with KINANE and won the IRISH 1.000 guineas.
2 and a quarter miles on ANY course gives a proper jockey, plenty of time and space to JOCKEY himself/herself into a challenging position.
ps, stick with liam the lips, pete the bloke, turned turtle and the headmaster, I DON'T want you.
SPENSER is however inflexible in his rides, several years ago he rode a horse for AIDEN O'BRIENS sister named SAOIRSE in our 1,000 guineas, now that is a straight mile, he met trouble in running 3 times, I sent an e-mail pointing out the fact and she replaced SPENSER with KINANE and won the IRISH 1.000 guineas.
2 and a quarter miles on ANY course gives a proper jockey, plenty of time and space to JOCKEY himself/herself into a challenging position.
ps, stick with liam the lips, pete the bloke, turned turtle and the headmaster, I DON'T want you.
I haven't viewed the link yet, but you DELIBERATELY discard that which you wish to overlook,
I did not say that Pickard kept him up with the pace and as I was referring to the CES, I
said he would NOT have laid so far back and he would have claimed 3 lbs, the first part about laying out of his ground is MY opinion, the second part is a FACT he is a 3 lb
claimer and that would have been valuable.
I will view the link later, but you only help when you wish to make a point , hence my THICK post it was (unlike you) a genuine question in the hope of gaining info about the AUSTRALIAN WALLET, I have given up on the excercise.
I did not say that Pickard kept him up with the pace and as I was referring to the CES, I
said he would NOT have laid so far back and he would have claimed 3 lbs, the first part about laying out of his ground is MY opinion, the second part is a FACT he is a 3 lb
claimer and that would have been valuable.
I will view the link later, but you only help when you wish to make a point , hence my THICK post it was (unlike you) a genuine question in the hope of gaining info about the AUSTRALIAN WALLET, I have given up on the excercise.
Bazz, you ask people for info and links on here all the time,they oblige, and then you kick-off with them. That's pretty ungrateful and you probably wont get much more help from now.
And Aim To Prosper was 20lb higher,not 25. He deserved to win and Countrywide Wide was not unlucky in the slighest. If he cant win off his mark in the 80's compared to a horse on 107 then he does not deserve to.
And Aim To Prosper was 20lb higher,not 25. He deserved to win and Countrywide Wide was not unlucky in the slighest. If he cant win off his mark in the 80's compared to a horse on 107 then he does not deserve to.
Carried 7 st 13 lbs FIRST TIME 9 st 10 lbs yesterday,
work it out.
I have thanked you in the past but you allow an argument with OTHERS to colour YOUR judgement, but thanks for the pointer, but you should learn to keep out of others quarrels, I don't join in with anyone else on here, just defend myself and my method of thinking, touchy idiot.
work it out.
I have thanked you in the past but you allow an argument with OTHERS to colour YOUR judgement, but thanks for the pointer, but you should learn to keep out of others quarrels, I don't join in with anyone else on here, just defend myself and my method of thinking, touchy idiot.
So lets get this right.....
In 2005 you were able to send an email but 7 years later ( you don't hold a grudge for too long do you? )you are unable to do a websearch? Something smelly there if you ask me.
Oh and BTW I hope the trainer gave you a %
In 2005 you were able to send an email but 7 years later ( you don't hold a grudge for too long do you? )you are unable to do a websearch? Something smelly there if you ask me.
Oh and BTW I hope the trainer gave you a %
And for the record Spencer rode him closer to the pace than Pickard did in the Plate. A mile to go ge was less than length behind the winner.
IMO he was produced perfectly, unfortunately simply not good enough on the day. Like you say it is not fact, just my opinion
IMO he was produced perfectly, unfortunately simply not good enough on the day. Like you say it is not fact, just my opinion
I, unlike you ROOBUCK have never claimed to be perfect, but I admit that my knowledge
around a computer is not what I would like it to be, but I don't go around crowing about my undoubted skill with the machine, if you would care to get an insight to we older people and a feeling of inadequacy around computers, ask your grandma or grandfather, they are probably younger than me but will claim they are scared of making mistakes, but there again there
is your helpful nature plus you said you were leaving the "playground" another lie!!!!!
As I said before you jumped in on a quarrel with someone else on here.
Sometime this week SPENSER will get away with his "PATIENTLY RIDDEN" ride which will convince himself that he is doing it right.
You have all forgotten how MARTIN PIPE changed the training methods in these isles and
McCOY used to make ALL on many of his winners, but he dosen't do it as much now, but at least he is flexible.
around a computer is not what I would like it to be, but I don't go around crowing about my undoubted skill with the machine, if you would care to get an insight to we older people and a feeling of inadequacy around computers, ask your grandma or grandfather, they are probably younger than me but will claim they are scared of making mistakes, but there again there
is your helpful nature plus you said you were leaving the "playground" another lie!!!!!
As I said before you jumped in on a quarrel with someone else on here.
Sometime this week SPENSER will get away with his "PATIENTLY RIDDEN" ride which will convince himself that he is doing it right.
You have all forgotten how MARTIN PIPE changed the training methods in these isles and
McCOY used to make ALL on many of his winners, but he dosen't do it as much now, but at least he is flexible.
Nor does Roobuck, Bazz. This is all little farfetched now.
Not every horse should be ridden in the same way, i'm not sure you can get your head around this point. We're well aware of what Martin Pipe has done.
Anyway .. !
Not every horse should be ridden in the same way, i'm not sure you can get your head around this point. We're well aware of what Martin Pipe has done.
Anyway .. !
Sintonian, you must realise that most training gallops consist of three horses, sometimes more , but not often, it IS the jockey who decides the kind of ride DURING the race,
they come back in after a win and some say that the horse likes to run between horses, but surely that is the jockeys preference NOT the horses, HUGHES says in one of his columns that his father "dessie" told him that MANY races are lost at the start, but still he leaves the stalls last in many races, so he has forgotten that good advice his father gave him, it is endemic now amongst jockeys who ride regularly in Britain.
they come back in after a win and some say that the horse likes to run between horses, but surely that is the jockeys preference NOT the horses, HUGHES says in one of his columns that his father "dessie" told him that MANY races are lost at the start, but still he leaves the stalls last in many races, so he has forgotten that good advice his father gave him, it is endemic now amongst jockeys who ride regularly in Britain.
none of my grandparents are alive, neither are my parents for that matter and if there were they would both be older than you.
In the spirit of being helpful
1. Type into the address part of your web browser ( internet ) - www.youtube.com
2. at the top of the page that loads, next to the words You Tube, there is a box that allows you to type in words for a search
3. In that box type dalakhani
4. Next to that box is a symbol representing a magnifying glass ie search - single left click on this or hit 'enter' button on your keyboard
5. Click on the video of Dalakhani's arc that you want to watch - 2nd one down is best imo
In the spirit of being helpful
1. Type into the address part of your web browser ( internet ) - www.youtube.com
2. at the top of the page that loads, next to the words You Tube, there is a box that allows you to type in words for a search
3. In that box type dalakhani
4. Next to that box is a symbol representing a magnifying glass ie search - single left click on this or hit 'enter' button on your keyboard
5. Click on the video of Dalakhani's arc that you want to watch - 2nd one down is best imo
A real thinking jockey is worth his/her weight in gold.
Lester, Scobie, and Willie were thinkers, Lester more than most,
the amount of times he was punished by the stewards has never been
topped, yet he learned from EVERY mistake, Willie was the first to go under the trees
at Ascot when the going got heavy, I remember that well because I backed RIDGEWOOD PEARL
like a certainty, she won at the breeders cup for me later.
McCOY and his determination drove him to think out his races beforehand.
Spenser just believes he is good and often proves the opposite.
Lester, Scobie, and Willie were thinkers, Lester more than most,
the amount of times he was punished by the stewards has never been
topped, yet he learned from EVERY mistake, Willie was the first to go under the trees
at Ascot when the going got heavy, I remember that well because I backed RIDGEWOOD PEARL
like a certainty, she won at the breeders cup for me later.
McCOY and his determination drove him to think out his races beforehand.
Spenser just believes he is good and often proves the opposite.
Even though the advice is given in a sarcastic manner, I thank you for the advice taken without rancour.
Therein lies your problem bazz. You claim not to be confident around computers so I put things in simple terms not knowing what or wat not you understand. You call it sarcastic.
That is the very last time I help, you miserable git
That is the very last time I help, you miserable git
Unbelievable. Well, actually, it isn't. It's the norm.
I fort u were slightly older than sint roo got sint down 4 around 27, in light of ur last missive, allied to ur parents now officially pushung up daisies roo, ur now must b pushing 50, im 45 next month 4 the record
Dictionary definition of 'accident' is? Yeah I know in more ways than one...
So is 50 spot on ??
Definition of 'accident' = Baz (1.01 to lay 4 az much as u want)
Definition of 'accident' = Baz (1.01 to lay 4 az much as u want)
Sounding just like SAVILLE, do you yodel nonsencically as well, idiot?
Ive never yodeled nonsencically, tho my friends may differ.
Dont remember Jimmy doin that either, prob more his victims imo
Dont remember Jimmy doin that either, prob more his victims imo
ROOBUCK, what you believe to be "righteous indignation" about my accusation of sarcasm,
I point you to your post of 14 OCT 13.20 where you decided to pick at my posts, looking
for something to bash me with (you do it regularly).
After I have tried to explain my lack of KNOWLEDGE and CONFIDENCE with computers, you
expect me to take you at face value, remember this I have been around longer than you and am aware that "LEOPARDS DO NOT CHANGE THEIR SPOTS", so from you attacking me to you trying to be helpful fills me with suspicion, I think you have proved my point, every time you asked a question I answered as accurately as I could , but without giving ANY of my methods away,
sometimes you could not accept my explanation because you are a person who believes that you are clever enough to get the info you want, YOU ARE NOT!!!!!!
Your post of 14th OCT 14.08 was written for others as if you were talking down to a exceedingly slow pupil, I sussed you out hence your "righteous indignation" and why does SINTONIAN believe that he is part of this quarrel, are you mates and you have asked for his support, I have NEVER had a cross word with Sintonian, yet he takes your side?
I point you to your post of 14 OCT 13.20 where you decided to pick at my posts, looking
for something to bash me with (you do it regularly).
After I have tried to explain my lack of KNOWLEDGE and CONFIDENCE with computers, you
expect me to take you at face value, remember this I have been around longer than you and am aware that "LEOPARDS DO NOT CHANGE THEIR SPOTS", so from you attacking me to you trying to be helpful fills me with suspicion, I think you have proved my point, every time you asked a question I answered as accurately as I could , but without giving ANY of my methods away,
sometimes you could not accept my explanation because you are a person who believes that you are clever enough to get the info you want, YOU ARE NOT!!!!!!
Your post of 14th OCT 14.08 was written for others as if you were talking down to a exceedingly slow pupil, I sussed you out hence your "righteous indignation" and why does SINTONIAN believe that he is part of this quarrel, are you mates and you have asked for his support, I have NEVER had a cross word with Sintonian, yet he takes your side?
Bazz, because I cant see what the issue is. I dont see anything in Roobuck's posts that are sarcastic or intended to have a pop at you. The tone of them only changed once you took umbrage. Before then they were fine.
Anyway, lets just leave it and look forwards to the Jumps season. Do you bet over Jumps or not?
Anyway, lets just leave it and look forwards to the Jumps season. Do you bet over Jumps or not?
I do bet on jumps and use the same methods for both codes, for may years I did not need other peoples thoughts, but as this is my main interest and believing that people were kindly towards each other, the scales have fallen from my eyes, sniping at a person for holding an opinion, if I were BLAIR it would be justifiable, I posted on here a few years ago that I thought that the bookies ante-post rules of ALL IN ENTER OR NOT, the headbanger
was at the forefront of the argument against me, ROOBUCK joined in, surely LOGIC would tell any NORMAL person to question , HOW CAN A HORSE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ENTERED FOR A RACE BE ANYTHING BUT UNFAIR, just common everyday logic yet they argued that it was right, I am not interested in YOUR opinion because you may not give me a totally honest answer, choosing to butter me up, just the unadulterated truth is what I seek, I won't get it from ROOBUCK or THE HEADBANGER.
was at the forefront of the argument against me, ROOBUCK joined in, surely LOGIC would tell any NORMAL person to question , HOW CAN A HORSE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ENTERED FOR A RACE BE ANYTHING BUT UNFAIR, just common everyday logic yet they argued that it was right, I am not interested in YOUR opinion because you may not give me a totally honest answer, choosing to butter me up, just the unadulterated truth is what I seek, I won't get it from ROOBUCK or THE HEADBANGER.
Nelson lives on this forum, "I see no ships", do you get me now?
I posted on here a few years ago that I thought that the bookies ante-post rules of ALL IN ENTER OR NOT, the headbanger
was at the forefront of the argument against me, ROOBUCK joined in
Liar. I was never part of that debate. I mentioned that slander before and yet you persist. If you seek the unadulterated truth, then please have the decency to speak it.
I accept that you have brought the worst out in me bazz - but I have never sworn AT you, you have told me to eff off at least three times.And on occassions I have been quick to pick up on your posts, usually because they are having a 'go' at a jockey or another poster. I do indeed find your posts aggressive and arrogant - I mean, inferring that your email to a trainer meant that a horse had a different jockey. All the talk of your brilliant bets in the past
However sintonian, whom I have never met, comes across as a most genuine poster bazz. He asks a perfectly open question and you accuse him of being disingenuous with absolutely no foundation.
Unbelievable
was at the forefront of the argument against me, ROOBUCK joined in
Liar. I was never part of that debate. I mentioned that slander before and yet you persist. If you seek the unadulterated truth, then please have the decency to speak it.
I accept that you have brought the worst out in me bazz - but I have never sworn AT you, you have told me to eff off at least three times.And on occassions I have been quick to pick up on your posts, usually because they are having a 'go' at a jockey or another poster. I do indeed find your posts aggressive and arrogant - I mean, inferring that your email to a trainer meant that a horse had a different jockey. All the talk of your brilliant bets in the past
However sintonian, whom I have never met, comes across as a most genuine poster bazz. He asks a perfectly open question and you accuse him of being disingenuous with absolutely no foundation.
Unbelievable
Oh dear
This forum has degenerated into the likes of other forums on Betfair i.e Puerile,name calling and insult swapping tirades.This forum used to be for serious 'players' - not any more it would appear !
This forum has degenerated into the likes of other forums on Betfair i.e Puerile,name calling and insult swapping tirades.This forum used to be for serious 'players' - not any more it would appear !
Why is it that posters always deem it neccesasry to post negative critisis about other peoples posts on these forums.
I've been coming onto these antepost forums for just over a year now becasue i respect and appreciate the majority of usual posters who come on here, im of the opinion that there are more of the "genuine racing fans" who take the game alot more seriously than your average posters on the main raing thread.
Doesnt it just make sense to just learn to just listen to each other then come to our own opinions, im not saying we cant comment or doing a bot of critical thinking, but cant we just all appreciate that if its does postivily...then it can actually help everyone.
Is there really a need to waste time by being negative about certain points within a post...that are actually pointless?
like i say, there is a group of approx 10 posters who frequent these antepost forums and we could actually start learning off each other ....it could actually come to a point where a group of posters can evaluate a race in a more professional manner.
I've been coming onto these antepost forums for just over a year now becasue i respect and appreciate the majority of usual posters who come on here, im of the opinion that there are more of the "genuine racing fans" who take the game alot more seriously than your average posters on the main raing thread.
Doesnt it just make sense to just learn to just listen to each other then come to our own opinions, im not saying we cant comment or doing a bot of critical thinking, but cant we just all appreciate that if its does postivily...then it can actually help everyone.
Is there really a need to waste time by being negative about certain points within a post...that are actually pointless?
like i say, there is a group of approx 10 posters who frequent these antepost forums and we could actually start learning off each other ....it could actually come to a point where a group of posters can evaluate a race in a more professional manner.
jeez, my spelling is **** when typing quick, corrections :criticising and because
ROZEL, in my case that is what I EXPECTED FROM THESE racing forums, but I believe that jealousy has arisen after some of my postings as regards historical bets, a poster using the nom de plume posted a thread headed AFTERTIMING, I have since been informed by someone that it was originally a fun excercise
which snowballed, part of the fun IS reminiscing the past glories, but inevitably it annoys some people especially those who are not as successful as others, a person on the other racing site has posted that he is now a better person because he no longer bets in small amounts and now looks down on other people on here, yet he has never attracted the venom that I have, I will still defend myself whenever and from whoever attacks me.
which snowballed, part of the fun IS reminiscing the past glories, but inevitably it annoys some people especially those who are not as successful as others, a person on the other racing site has posted that he is now a better person because he no longer bets in small amounts and now looks down on other people on here, yet he has never attracted the venom that I have, I will still defend myself whenever and from whoever attacks me.
FFS FACTS SHUT UP.
A remark like that started all this, a guy tells me I'm on the wrong thread and used the ffs that you used when I corrected him he SAID he would NOT poke his nose onto another thread started by me, but I guess you may have concluded that he did NOT keep his word. I HAVE FINISHED NOW.
A remark like that started all this, a guy tells me I'm on the wrong thread and used the ffs that you used when I corrected him he SAID he would NOT poke his nose onto another thread started by me, but I guess you may have concluded that he did NOT keep his word. I HAVE FINISHED NOW.
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