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Is Excelebration a likely runner here?
I think it would be an ideal race for him. Paco Boy came through the Lockinge/Queen Anne to run well in it.
I think it would be an ideal race for him. Paco Boy came through the Lockinge/Queen Anne to run well in it.
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Not the most exciting selection but think Bated Braeth back up to six,could go one better than last season
Think it would be an ideal race for Excelebration.
However team Coolmore may well want to add another G1 @ a mile & therefore need to go to France for the Jacques Le Marois /Moulin leaving QE2 mile as an option if Frankel goes champion stakes .
Nothing really out there to challenge him with Frankel out the way.
However team Coolmore may well want to add another G1 @ a mile & therefore need to go to France for the Jacques Le Marois /Moulin leaving QE2 mile as an option if Frankel goes champion stakes .
Nothing really out there to challenge him with Frankel out the way.
Excelebration could well line up here. If their planning on going down the Jacques de Marois route this
race would fit in nicely being a month before it. A 6f Group 1 victory on his stallion CV would look good.
AOB has left plenty of potential pacemakers in and if the trainer believes he's recovered from his
Ascot effort and is in peak shape he may well run.
race would fit in nicely being a month before it. A 6f Group 1 victory on his stallion CV would look good.
AOB has left plenty of potential pacemakers in and if the trainer believes he's recovered from his
Ascot effort and is in peak shape he may well run.
Slight concern for me would be that Excel tried to match Frankel from the front in the Queen Anne, hence why he got beaten 11 lenghts. All the other horses were ridden to place. If Excelebration has recovered in time then he may line up. I wouldn't be sure 6f on traditionally GoodtoFirm going would be his ideal conditions though.
Agree with Sj here, Bated Breath should be the one to beat and the current 4/1 is tempting, can see him being a 5/2 chance or shorter on the day.
Sole Power waits for York, Moonlight Cloud waits for the Maurice De Gheest according to trainer.
Dabirsim is having an Autumn campaign.
They may run Strong Suit apparently ..
Other than that I am not sure where the opposition will come from ..
Agree with Sj here, Bated Breath should be the one to beat and the current 4/1 is tempting, can see him being a 5/2 chance or shorter on the day.
Sole Power waits for York, Moonlight Cloud waits for the Maurice De Gheest according to trainer.
Dabirsim is having an Autumn campaign.
They may run Strong Suit apparently ..
Other than that I am not sure where the opposition will come from ..
Libranno heads here next and is now 16/1 from 33/1.
I didn't catch the race yesterday but tbh I though it odd that Hoof It was running over 7f anyway, could they have been prepping him? Will have to watch it.
I didn't catch the race yesterday but tbh I though it odd that Hoof It was running over 7f anyway, could they have been prepping him? Will have to watch it.
Pulled far too hard sint, yesterday's race was never going to suit him with a small field and steady gallop. Hasn't looked anywhere the horse that won the Stewards Cup and placed in Haydock Sprint yet this season, and another concern about him would be the course as vitually all of his decent form is on flat tracks.
He obviously did act at Goodwood and if he were to come back to form, the 14s available with Lads could be Xmas come early.
He obviously did act at Goodwood and if he were to come back to form, the 14s available with Lads could be Xmas come early.
have to admit i really dont follow the sprints anymore, but i did watch the black caviar race at royal ascot, just noticed the run of society rock that day, why isnt he one of the fav for this race ?
Think trainer said something about need to get him some stalls practice as he keeps being slowly away ..?
Does anyone know the width of each stall and if there are more than ten runners, is the distance between the next stall twice the width of a normal stall?
thx sint, is he always slowly away ?, dont really follow sprints anymore , probably not since stravinsky days, have we had a really top class sprinter since then.
There is usually more than 10 runners Baz but the race this year might cut up ..
Elis, im note sure, will have to check his RP in-running comments.
Elis, im note sure, will have to check his RP in-running comments.
The six-year-old was defending his crown in the six-furlong Group One, but blew his chance of victory with a very slow start.
He still had a lot of ground to make up on the likes of Black Caviar and Moonlight Cloud with a couple of furlongs to run, but flew home in the hands of Johnny Murtagh to finish fifth, beaten just two lengths.
"It's obviously disappointing he missed the break, as he ran such a good race afterwards," said Fanshawe.
"He can be a bit slowly away and sometimes that helps him, but he sat down in the stalls and lost a lot of ground.
"He's run a very good race in the circumstances, but we need to try and get the stalls part right now.
"If we can get that sorted, then he's right up there with the best of them."
The Darley July Cup at Newmarket is Society Rock's most obvious next port of call, but Fanshawe is keen to sort out his stalls issues before committing his charge to run on July 14.
"He ran very well in the Duke of York Stakes on his first run of the year and again on Saturday, so he's obviously in really good form at the moment," said the Newmarket handler.
"I want to be really happy with the stalls situation before I run him again, but we'd obviously love to have a go at the July Cup."
He still had a lot of ground to make up on the likes of Black Caviar and Moonlight Cloud with a couple of furlongs to run, but flew home in the hands of Johnny Murtagh to finish fifth, beaten just two lengths.
"It's obviously disappointing he missed the break, as he ran such a good race afterwards," said Fanshawe.
"He can be a bit slowly away and sometimes that helps him, but he sat down in the stalls and lost a lot of ground.
"He's run a very good race in the circumstances, but we need to try and get the stalls part right now.
"If we can get that sorted, then he's right up there with the best of them."
The Darley July Cup at Newmarket is Society Rock's most obvious next port of call, but Fanshawe is keen to sort out his stalls issues before committing his charge to run on July 14.
"He ran very well in the Duke of York Stakes on his first run of the year and again on Saturday, so he's obviously in really good form at the moment," said the Newmarket handler.
"I want to be really happy with the stalls situation before I run him again, but we'd obviously love to have a go at the July Cup."
I didn't realise it was such an issue for SR, always thought it was almost deliberate as he like to come off the pace.
However Ascot was different and he was quite stirred up in the stalls and Johnny asked the starter to wait which he did but only momentarily - still don't think he was ready and hence the really bad start.
Whilst he clearly is not the best of starters, I cannot have it as a reason not to run in this as Ascot was a bit of a one off. Whether he is good enough on this course is the issue for me
However Ascot was different and he was quite stirred up in the stalls and Johnny asked the starter to wait which he did but only momentarily - still don't think he was ready and hence the really bad start.
Whilst he clearly is not the best of starters, I cannot have it as a reason not to run in this as Ascot was a bit of a one off. Whether he is good enough on this course is the issue for me
What about Excelebration? Travels very strongly and the sprinters aren't a great bunch.
Moonlight Cloud out. Waits for the race she won last year.
Hoof It still on target according to trainer.
Hoof It still on target according to trainer.
Picking up on comments on another thread, Freddie Head is simply confirming what he said straight after Ascot - cannot believe MC was so short in the market
I was at Newmarket on Saturday and very disappointed with Hoof It - he's a big powerful horse, a typical sprinter to look at, but he was dull in his coat and didn't move well to post. He looked like a horse struggling to find his form, which reflects the current state of his stable.
Easterby is 4/97 with his older horses since May 1st, and all those wins have been in basement races, three of them by the same horse, Pitkin.
It will take a remarkable piece of training to turn the horse I saw into a Group 1 winner in the space of two weeks.
Easterby is 4/97 with his older horses since May 1st, and all those wins have been in basement races, three of them by the same horse, Pitkin.
It will take a remarkable piece of training to turn the horse I saw into a Group 1 winner in the space of two weeks.
cheers Anorak. Thats interesting.
As pointed out earlier by Roobuck, the conditions of that race would not have suited him, and I was surprised they were running over 7f, as he has performed poorly at that trip twice before, so I wondered if they were using it as a sneaky prep. But by the sounds of it, it just sounds like the horse/yard is struggling for form at the moment.
As pointed out earlier by Roobuck, the conditions of that race would not have suited him, and I was surprised they were running over 7f, as he has performed poorly at that trip twice before, so I wondered if they were using it as a sneaky prep. But by the sounds of it, it just sounds like the horse/yard is struggling for form at the moment.
Excelebration the fly in the ointment here, but of course we wont know nowt until 5-day decs.
Having looked at Sepoy .. he has had just the one start for his new trainer, AL Zarooni, in which he ran poorly in Dubai. He has not even ran in the UK before. Some horses do perform well on their first run here from Dubai, and the horse clearly has the class to win, but it is still a bit of a leap of faith.
Bated Breath looks very solid to me. But given the dire weather we are having at the moment any soft in the Going over 6f would dampen enthusiasm.
Having looked at Sepoy .. he has had just the one start for his new trainer, AL Zarooni, in which he ran poorly in Dubai. He has not even ran in the UK before. Some horses do perform well on their first run here from Dubai, and the horse clearly has the class to win, but it is still a bit of a leap of faith.
Bated Breath looks very solid to me. But given the dire weather we are having at the moment any soft in the Going over 6f would dampen enthusiasm.
RP 3/7 David Marnane seroiusly considering supplementing Dandy Boy for the July Cup.
Sintonian,
Agree about the 7F race being unsuitable for Hoof It and I also assumed it was intended as a prep race - most of his best form has been with a short gap between races. But even allowing for that, I expected a much better run - take out the two rags and he's finished last of five behind horses officially rated a stone behind him. Post have rated both his runs this year at 101, well below what he was delivering at his best.
Also agree that Excelebration is the key to the race and imo, capable of outclassing the regular sprinters. Apart from the St James Palace third, only Frankel has finished ahead of him since his debut, and his form in winning two 7F group races has been top class. The only things stopping me lumping on are the uncertainty over stable plans and the kid in the saddle, who has never ridden the July course.
Agree about the 7F race being unsuitable for Hoof It and I also assumed it was intended as a prep race - most of his best form has been with a short gap between races. But even allowing for that, I expected a much better run - take out the two rags and he's finished last of five behind horses officially rated a stone behind him. Post have rated both his runs this year at 101, well below what he was delivering at his best.
Also agree that Excelebration is the key to the race and imo, capable of outclassing the regular sprinters. Apart from the St James Palace third, only Frankel has finished ahead of him since his debut, and his form in winning two 7F group races has been top class. The only things stopping me lumping on are the uncertainty over stable plans and the kid in the saddle, who has never ridden the July course.
Connections of Hoof it said pre-race that the race was being used as a prep for the July Cup.
Imo the horse has developed a back problem: the July course is no place for a horse with a back problem.
Imo the horse has developed a back problem: the July course is no place for a horse with a back problem.
Soul showed good toe at Ascot and might just be settling in over here- will be watching the 20/1 carefully...
Worried about Society Rock now- for me horses that go like that are falling out of love with the game.
Worried about Society Rock now- for me horses that go like that are falling out of love with the game.
We were informed that a withdrawal stage was to be today 4th JULY,
yet still nothing on RP site, rumours tell us that MOONLIGHT CLOUD will not accept but no confirmation.
yet still nothing on RP site, rumours tell us that MOONLIGHT CLOUD will not accept but no confirmation.
Informed by who? The confirmation stage is 9th July
I would also suggest a quote from the trainer is a little more than a rumour
I would also suggest a quote from the trainer is a little more than a rumour
View of the potential runners with present best price in brackets. * denotes need to be supplemented.
Bated Breath - has a strong follower tendancy and needs to be produced at the right time.Doyle is capable of doing that ,but it will be tricky .(3/1)
Excelebration - Class act and probably one of the best milers Coolmore have had. Appears to be still underrated.(7/1)
Society Rock - a bit inconsistent though he did look in great shape prior to Ascot. Probably prefer some give in the ground.(8/1)
Hoof it - Possibly developed a back problem (14/1)
Ortensia - has plenty of ability,could bounce back from ascot if it comes up quick.(16/1)
Seepoy - difficult to assess (14/1)
*Dandy Boy - looks in great heart at present and must have some sort of chance.(n/o)
*Strong Suit - 7f specialist loaded with pace,looked to have physically developed from 3-4 prior to his Ascot loss. Showed
a poor attitude at Ascot though(n/o)
Excelebration and Strong suit look a cut above these ,but how will they cope with the drop from 7f to 6f and will they run?
Horses in recent years to run in this having dropped back in trip were Dutch Art who came 2nd and Paco Boy who came 4th under a
very poor ride by Fortune. Going further back Mozart ran in the Irish Guineas then the Jersey before bolting up here,though he didn't stay 7f. It's difficult to estimate if both will line up but I'd say there's a 75% chance Excelebration will, I doubt Excelebration
will run against Frankel again so this is an alternative. Strong suit's connections are after a Group one win but such was the disapponiting effort at Ascot and possiblity of ground slower than ideal they may not supplement.
7/1 on Excelebration looks big enough to take even allowing for the fact he may not run. If he does run I doubt he'll be anywhere near that price. Backed Ecelebration and will cover on Strong suit if he lines up.
Bated Breath - has a strong follower tendancy and needs to be produced at the right time.Doyle is capable of doing that ,but it will be tricky .(3/1)
Excelebration - Class act and probably one of the best milers Coolmore have had. Appears to be still underrated.(7/1)
Society Rock - a bit inconsistent though he did look in great shape prior to Ascot. Probably prefer some give in the ground.(8/1)
Hoof it - Possibly developed a back problem (14/1)
Ortensia - has plenty of ability,could bounce back from ascot if it comes up quick.(16/1)
Seepoy - difficult to assess (14/1)
*Dandy Boy - looks in great heart at present and must have some sort of chance.(n/o)
*Strong Suit - 7f specialist loaded with pace,looked to have physically developed from 3-4 prior to his Ascot loss. Showed
a poor attitude at Ascot though(n/o)
Excelebration and Strong suit look a cut above these ,but how will they cope with the drop from 7f to 6f and will they run?
Horses in recent years to run in this having dropped back in trip were Dutch Art who came 2nd and Paco Boy who came 4th under a
very poor ride by Fortune. Going further back Mozart ran in the Irish Guineas then the Jersey before bolting up here,though he didn't stay 7f. It's difficult to estimate if both will line up but I'd say there's a 75% chance Excelebration will, I doubt Excelebration
will run against Frankel again so this is an alternative. Strong suit's connections are after a Group one win but such was the disapponiting effort at Ascot and possiblity of ground slower than ideal they may not supplement.
7/1 on Excelebration looks big enough to take even allowing for the fact he may not run. If he does run I doubt he'll be anywhere near that price. Backed Ecelebration and will cover on Strong suit if he lines up.
Must have been an acceptance stage JULY 3rd, 28 left in from original 57,
MOONLIGHT CLOUD among them, trainer said she would not run in JULY CUP, so
don't understand the waste of money, but it happens a lot in racing.
MOONLIGHT CLOUD among them, trainer said she would not run in JULY CUP, so
don't understand the waste of money, but it happens a lot in racing.
has obrien hinted that he might well go for this with excalibration ?
He has now. Says Reply & Excel are possibles, which usually means they run.
What price Excel IF he runs? 3/1 ..
Current going is Heavy. No idea how quick Haydock drains but with the weather unsettled it's likely to be have somekind of soft in the going description by next week.
Current going is Heavy. No idea how quick Haydock drains but with the weather unsettled it's likely to be have somekind of soft in the going description by next week.
can see a monster plunge if this horse runs, wouldnt surprise me near 2/1, and romping home as well.
dont like the look of £ 100 x 3 trying to lay at around 6 on here to be honest, as for his chances of running .
read your last post, slight mistake, im sure youll spot it
Of course. Sorry. Getting mixed up with the Haydock Sprint!
Anyway, i've had a saver on Excel incase they do run and there is cut in the ground. 13/2 fair risk.
Anyway, i've had a saver on Excel incase they do run and there is cut in the ground. 13/2 fair risk.
Have also played Excelebration though also share sint's concerns over the effect of chasing Frankel at Ascot.
If he turns up at runs his race, think he has the beating of all of these and don't think he necessarily needs soft ground though of course it will detract from BB. Excelebration is a proper Group 1 horse and indications that he is likely to run means like others say, 13/2 is a fair risk/reward option considering the likely SP if he starts.
If he turns up at runs his race, think he has the beating of all of these and don't think he necessarily needs soft ground though of course it will detract from BB. Excelebration is a proper Group 1 horse and indications that he is likely to run means like others say, 13/2 is a fair risk/reward option considering the likely SP if he starts.
tinkler, what makes you think Hoof It has a back problem? A rather strange assumption?
Roo, my point about the gorund is that it will make the race more of a stamina test. A 6f on GF and I probably wouldn't back him.
I see your point now about the stamina. You probably already have the winner if it is GF, but at the respective odds I would still play Excelebration.
If there is some juice in the ground and she comes over, I would also give Wizz Kid another chance. So tempted by the 16s but I would want to have more assurance that she is likely to run.
Anyone heard anything?
If there is some juice in the ground and she comes over, I would also give Wizz Kid another chance. So tempted by the 16s but I would want to have more assurance that she is likely to run.
Anyone heard anything?
Couldn't have her at any price tbh Roo. She only travelled over on the day of the Kings Stand becuase she doesn't like staying overnight elsehwere and wont eat up. Seems a poor traveller.
Would be amazed if it is GF. Currenty GS,S with more rain throughout the week. Think I may top up on Excel! 
Thats not to say she wont come over. I just couldn't back her (again)
Fant light - Watching his 2 runs this year it looked to me like he was struggling with a transmission
problem in his back.
problem in his back.
Excelebration I'd prefer to have an interest in over 7F.
Ortensia on strict form with Black Caviar should be there or thereabouts at a good enough each way price, and one I have a soft spot for is Angels Will Fall. A stiff 6 might be what she needs, not bad form with a lot of decent types and on a going day might be up there at a price.
Ortensia on strict form with Black Caviar should be there or thereabouts at a good enough each way price, and one I have a soft spot for is Angels Will Fall. A stiff 6 might be what she needs, not bad form with a lot of decent types and on a going day might be up there at a price.
BB wouldn't run if it was. Can see plenty of non-runners if the forecast is right.
Aye. 
Aidan clearly not thinking on our wave length! Shame.
Dandy Boy & Strong Suit supplemented.
Power is in aswell.
Aidan clearly not thinking on our wave length! Shame.Dandy Boy & Strong Suit supplemented.
Power is in aswell.
**** me, obrien said that excel and reply were considered for july cup, no mention of power, in r post sat
Bated Breath (GB) 5 9 5
Dandy Boy (ITY) 6 9 5
Elnawin (GB) 6 9 5
Genki (IRE) 8 9 5
Hawkeyethenoo (IRE) 6 9 5
Hitchens (IRE) 7 9 5
Hoof It (GB) 5 9 5
Krypton Factor (GB) 4 9 5
Libranno (GB) 4 9 5
Mayson (GB) 4 9 5
Sepoy (AUS) 4 9 5
Sirius Prospect (USA) 4 9 5
Society Rock (IRE) 5 9 5
Soul (AUS) 5 9 5
Strong Suit (USA) 4 9 5
The Cheka (IRE) 6 9 5
Ortensia (AUS) 7 9 2
Power (GB) 3 8 13
Reply (IRE) 3 8 13
After (IRE) 3 8 10
Fire Lily (IRE) 3 8 10
Dandy Boy (ITY) 6 9 5
Elnawin (GB) 6 9 5
Genki (IRE) 8 9 5
Hawkeyethenoo (IRE) 6 9 5
Hitchens (IRE) 7 9 5
Hoof It (GB) 5 9 5
Krypton Factor (GB) 4 9 5
Libranno (GB) 4 9 5
Mayson (GB) 4 9 5
Sepoy (AUS) 4 9 5
Sirius Prospect (USA) 4 9 5
Society Rock (IRE) 5 9 5
Soul (AUS) 5 9 5
Strong Suit (USA) 4 9 5
The Cheka (IRE) 6 9 5
Ortensia (AUS) 7 9 2
Power (GB) 3 8 13
Reply (IRE) 3 8 13
After (IRE) 3 8 10
Fire Lily (IRE) 3 8 10
I backed Exceebration on the strength of what AOB said on Saturday. Someone is takng the p@ss. Two days later it's out and Power is in. I had my doubts with Ladbrokes being by far the biggest price catching all those fools, me included, who believed what the bookies friend, the Racing Post, writes.
What of Power then? Dream Ahead came from the St.James last year to win this!
AIDEN O'BRIEN as trustworthy as all politicians, utter krap.
racing post saturday, aiden obrien said last night, " were looking at running excelebration and reply in the july cup. theyre both possibilities at this stage. decisions will be made early next week " why not say power as well, ****ing hate them, sorry
In fairness he said they were possibles. This does usually mean they run, as he never says much more than that, but it is far from conclusive.
I backed Excel as a saver so done my dough but it's was a risk I thought worth taking.
I backed Excel as a saver so done my dough but it's was a risk I thought worth taking.
yes sint he did say they were possibilities, but surely he could have said that power was as well
Maybe Power will come out at the 48hr stage? Who knows, they have a habit of leaving big names in at the 5 day stage. That said, it could be a ground issue with him aswell for stamina purposes.
Im done with the race now. Think I have done my money on BB because the ground is against him and Excel out.
Im done with the race now. Think I have done my money on BB because the ground is against him and Excel out.
spitting mick has been trying to convince everyone that hoof it needs good ground,but was withdrawn twice early last season due to good, good to firm ground then sluiced up on sofetr ground at york,after his gentle pipe opener at newmarket might be worth a dabble on hoped for softer ground
With no Excelebration and Moonlight Cloud plus ground conditions possibly going against Bated Breath and Strong Suit ,the race may not take that much winning. Dandy Boy probably put up the best time effort
of any 6f horse in europe when winning at Ascot, this on the back of a very quick effort at the Curragh.
Connections have supplemented him so he'll no doubt run no matter what, I doubt he'd want it too soft
but at 20/1 thats well catered for and backed him.
of any 6f horse in europe when winning at Ascot, this on the back of a very quick effort at the Curragh.
Connections have supplemented him so he'll no doubt run no matter what, I doubt he'd want it too soft
but at 20/1 thats well catered for and backed him.
Sirius Prospect put up much improved showing in Diamond Jubilee and will handle/relish the likely conditions.Scope for improvement also and each of these races seems to pan out differently.
This looks to be a wide open race in my opinion, i really dont like the way the o brien team work in terms of running a number of horses in one race, they seem to sacrifice decent horses to benefit another and them declaring horses in races is a joke, in the past they have said top class stayers are quick enough to win the july cup and some even had entries, what for other than breeding propoganda, that can be the only reason.
Still in the July cup they have not left Power in for nothing and as a group one winner who stays further and goes on the projected ground they may have got this one in under the radar with all the fuss over frankels wipping boy being entered initially, the stiff finish and the ground will suit this down to the ground
Still in the July cup they have not left Power in for nothing and as a group one winner who stays further and goes on the projected ground they may have got this one in under the radar with all the fuss over frankels wipping boy being entered initially, the stiff finish and the ground will suit this down to the ground
Was he really a supplementary, Bazzar? Wow, that puts a completley differemt spin on it.
Not perfect and have never claimed to be, so might not have been concentrating, aplogise.
Power and Hoof It both missing from final declarations.
Yep that does not surprise me.
Current going is Soft. More rain expected so it will be at least that for the race.
Strong Suit may not run apparently. Surely they knew what the ground might be like before supplementing him?
Current going is Soft. More rain expected so it will be at least that for the race.
Strong Suit may not run apparently. Surely they knew what the ground might be like before supplementing him?
Soul is an out and out wet tracker and his Jubilee run was good, that said I find it very hard to back a third-rater like him to beat his top-class stablemate Sepoy regardless of conditions.
Not much suits Sepoy in this but on top form he is the best horse in this race by a ways.
Not much suits Sepoy in this but on top form he is the best horse in this race by a ways.
nice one me, asked about society rock on here few weeks back when he was around 16, fancied it a bit, alas didnt back it
Cheers for spotting that Roobuck. He must be a massive show in that...
dont lets us put you off in future Elis! I was just reporting what the trainer had said re the stalls. At the end of his comments (posted on here) he did say they planned on running.
Yeah I know. Think I made it sounds like I thought you were.
What im saying is in the ''future'', if you like something,just back it.
There was a guy on twitter last weekend saying he liked Nathaniel but was put off by John Gosdens ''needing the run'' comments. I told him not to worry about that, just back it if YOU fancy it. Gosden the master of spin/blind alleys.
What im saying is in the ''future'', if you like something,just back it.
There was a guy on twitter last weekend saying he liked Nathaniel but was put off by John Gosdens ''needing the run'' comments. I told him not to worry about that, just back it if YOU fancy it. Gosden the master of spin/blind alleys.
BB,Libranno,KK all out.
Sepoy now 4/1 !!
Good luck to those who took the 14/1 and 12/1.
I must be the only pratt who has backed Ortensia!
Sepoy now 4/1 !!
Good luck to those who took the 14/1 and 12/1.
I must be the only pratt who has backed Ortensia!
Front 2 handled the heavy ground OK ,the rest appeared not to,to varying degrees.
Mayson was very pickable if you could forgive his last 2 runs. The York defeat was excusable as he apparently injured
himself in the stalls. The Newcastle defeat was very difficult to forgive. What happened that day is a mystery to me and
looked a bit suspect. Despite running against the near rail with a massive draw bias in his favour and similar ground to today
he ran very poorly for no reason. He drifted out to nearly double his early price ,which given that at the time it looked
like he had nearly the best form in the race and would like the heavy conditions looked strange. Fahey sent out negative
messages before the race saying the horse may find it too soft. Fahey said after todays race ,his Newcastle flop was due to
the heavy ground there - personally I don't believe him and the real reason for his Newcastle flop may never come to light.
Mayson was very pickable if you could forgive his last 2 runs. The York defeat was excusable as he apparently injured
himself in the stalls. The Newcastle defeat was very difficult to forgive. What happened that day is a mystery to me and
looked a bit suspect. Despite running against the near rail with a massive draw bias in his favour and similar ground to today
he ran very poorly for no reason. He drifted out to nearly double his early price ,which given that at the time it looked
like he had nearly the best form in the race and would like the heavy conditions looked strange. Fahey sent out negative
messages before the race saying the horse may find it too soft. Fahey said after todays race ,his Newcastle flop was due to
the heavy ground there - personally I don't believe him and the real reason for his Newcastle flop may never come to light.
Actually thought Ortensia ran well in 4th. According to BC Time Series she clocked the quickest furlong from 4 to 3. Back on Good ground in the Nunthorpe who knows ..
Tinkler...yes I backed him last time at Newcastle as well and was very disappointed by his run there
and as you say he was effectively a non runner from the Off , but i do not think any intention to cheat was at the heart of his poor run , more likely imo was following his stalls upset at York they wanted to give him an easy time and the very heavy ground was a pretty good excuse not to go for it perhaps understandable in the circumstances ,I had a token saver bet on him today as his form on ground with give ground earlier in the season was very impressive , wished I had put on a bit more ,or a lot more !
and as you say he was effectively a non runner from the Off , but i do not think any intention to cheat was at the heart of his poor run , more likely imo was following his stalls upset at York they wanted to give him an easy time and the very heavy ground was a pretty good excuse not to go for it perhaps understandable in the circumstances ,I had a token saver bet on him today as his form on ground with give ground earlier in the season was very impressive , wished I had put on a bit more ,or a lot more !
mac99 - you could be right about connections wanting him to have an easy time ,the jockey did give the
horse every chance though and the horse stopped pretty quick.
Probably a bit paranoid and a bit hacked off to see him winning as if could have forgiven his last run
would have fancied him on todays heavy ground. Suppose the other thing is that if I believed he was
stopped for whatever reason then should have ignored the run and backed it today which I didn't.
You live and learn.
horse every chance though and the horse stopped pretty quick.
Probably a bit paranoid and a bit hacked off to see him winning as if could have forgiven his last run
would have fancied him on todays heavy ground. Suppose the other thing is that if I believed he was
stopped for whatever reason then should have ignored the run and backed it today which I didn't.
You live and learn.
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