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Is Excelebration a likely runner here?
I think it would be an ideal race for him. Paco Boy came through the Lockinge/Queen Anne to run well in it.
I think it would be an ideal race for him. Paco Boy came through the Lockinge/Queen Anne to run well in it.
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Not the most exciting selection but think Bated Braeth back up to six,could go one better than last season
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Think it would be an ideal race for Excelebration.
However team Coolmore may well want to add another G1 @ a mile & therefore need to go to France for the Jacques Le Marois /Moulin leaving QE2 mile as an option if Frankel goes champion stakes . Nothing really out there to challenge him with Frankel out the way. |
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Excelebration could well line up here. If their planning on going down the Jacques de Marois route this
race would fit in nicely being a month before it. A 6f Group 1 victory on his stallion CV would look good. AOB has left plenty of potential pacemakers in and if the trainer believes he's recovered from his Ascot effort and is in peak shape he may well run. |
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Slight concern for me would be that Excel tried to match Frankel from the front in the Queen Anne, hence why he got beaten 11 lenghts. All the other horses were ridden to place. If Excelebration has recovered in time then he may line up. I wouldn't be sure 6f on traditionally GoodtoFirm going would be his ideal conditions though.
Agree with Sj here, Bated Breath should be the one to beat and the current 4/1 is tempting, can see him being a 5/2 chance or shorter on the day. Sole Power waits for York, Moonlight Cloud waits for the Maurice De Gheest according to trainer. Dabirsim is having an Autumn campaign. They may run Strong Suit apparently .. Other than that I am not sure where the opposition will come from .. |
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Just backed BB.
Any views on Sepoy? Hoof It ? |
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Libranno heads here next and is now 16/1 from 33/1.
I didn't catch the race yesterday but tbh I though it odd that Hoof It was running over 7f anyway, could they have been prepping him? Will have to watch it. |
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Pulled far too hard sint, yesterday's race was never going to suit him with a small field and steady gallop. Hasn't looked anywhere the horse that won the Stewards Cup and placed in Haydock Sprint yet this season, and another concern about him would be the course as vitually all of his decent form is on flat tracks.
He obviously did act at Goodwood and if he were to come back to form, the 14s available with Lads could be Xmas come early. |
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have to admit i really dont follow the sprints anymore, but i did watch the black caviar race at royal ascot, just noticed the run of society rock that day, why isnt he one of the fav for this race ?
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Think trainer said something about need to get him some stalls practice as he keeps being slowly away ..?
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Does anyone know the width of each stall and if there are more than ten runners, is the distance between the next stall twice the width of a normal stall?
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thx sint, is he always slowly away ?, dont really follow sprints anymore , probably not since stravinsky days, have we had a really top class sprinter since then.
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There is usually more than 10 runners Baz but the race this year might cut up ..
Elis, im note sure, will have to check his RP in-running comments. |
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The six-year-old was defending his crown in the six-furlong Group One, but blew his chance of victory with a very slow start.
He still had a lot of ground to make up on the likes of Black Caviar and Moonlight Cloud with a couple of furlongs to run, but flew home in the hands of Johnny Murtagh to finish fifth, beaten just two lengths. "It's obviously disappointing he missed the break, as he ran such a good race afterwards," said Fanshawe. "He can be a bit slowly away and sometimes that helps him, but he sat down in the stalls and lost a lot of ground. "He's run a very good race in the circumstances, but we need to try and get the stalls part right now. "If we can get that sorted, then he's right up there with the best of them." The Darley July Cup at Newmarket is Society Rock's most obvious next port of call, but Fanshawe is keen to sort out his stalls issues before committing his charge to run on July 14. "He ran very well in the Duke of York Stakes on his first run of the year and again on Saturday, so he's obviously in really good form at the moment," said the Newmarket handler. "I want to be really happy with the stalls situation before I run him again, but we'd obviously love to have a go at the July Cup." |
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great, sint
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I didn't realise it was such an issue for SR, always thought it was almost deliberate as he like to come off the pace.
However Ascot was different and he was quite stirred up in the stalls and Johnny asked the starter to wait which he did but only momentarily - still don't think he was ready and hence the really bad start. Whilst he clearly is not the best of starters, I cannot have it as a reason not to run in this as Ascot was a bit of a one off. Whether he is good enough on this course is the issue for me |
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What about Excelebration? Travels very strongly and the sprinters aren't a great bunch.
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Moonlight Cloud out. Waits for the race she won last year.
Hoof It still on target according to trainer. |
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Picking up on comments on another thread, Freddie Head is simply confirming what he said straight after Ascot - cannot believe MC was so short in the market
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I was at Newmarket on Saturday and very disappointed with Hoof It - he's a big powerful horse, a typical sprinter to look at, but he was dull in his coat and didn't move well to post. He looked like a horse struggling to find his form, which reflects the current state of his stable.
Easterby is 4/97 with his older horses since May 1st, and all those wins have been in basement races, three of them by the same horse, Pitkin. It will take a remarkable piece of training to turn the horse I saw into a Group 1 winner in the space of two weeks. |
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cheers Anorak. Thats interesting.
As pointed out earlier by Roobuck, the conditions of that race would not have suited him, and I was surprised they were running over 7f, as he has performed poorly at that trip twice before, so I wondered if they were using it as a sneaky prep. But by the sounds of it, it just sounds like the horse/yard is struggling for form at the moment. |
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Excelebration the fly in the ointment here, but of course we wont know nowt until 5-day decs.
Having looked at Sepoy .. he has had just the one start for his new trainer, AL Zarooni, in which he ran poorly in Dubai. He has not even ran in the UK before. Some horses do perform well on their first run here from Dubai, and the horse clearly has the class to win, but it is still a bit of a leap of faith. Bated Breath looks very solid to me. But given the dire weather we are having at the moment any soft in the Going over 6f would dampen enthusiasm. |
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RP 3/7 David Marnane seroiusly considering supplementing Dandy Boy for the July Cup.
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Sintonian,
Agree about the 7F race being unsuitable for Hoof It and I also assumed it was intended as a prep race - most of his best form has been with a short gap between races. But even allowing for that, I expected a much better run - take out the two rags and he's finished last of five behind horses officially rated a stone behind him. Post have rated both his runs this year at 101, well below what he was delivering at his best. Also agree that Excelebration is the key to the race and imo, capable of outclassing the regular sprinters. Apart from the St James Palace third, only Frankel has finished ahead of him since his debut, and his form in winning two 7F group races has been top class. The only things stopping me lumping on are the uncertainty over stable plans and the kid in the saddle, who has never ridden the July course. |
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Connections of Hoof it said pre-race that the race was being used as a prep for the July Cup.
Imo the horse has developed a back problem: the July course is no place for a horse with a back problem. |
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Soul showed good toe at Ascot and might just be settling in over here- will be watching the 20/1 carefully...
Worried about Society Rock now- for me horses that go like that are falling out of love with the game. |
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We were informed that a withdrawal stage was to be today 4th JULY,
yet still nothing on RP site, rumours tell us that MOONLIGHT CLOUD will not accept but no confirmation. |
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Informed by who? The confirmation stage is 9th July
I would also suggest a quote from the trainer is a little more than a rumour |
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View of the potential runners with present best price in brackets. * denotes need to be supplemented.
Bated Breath - has a strong follower tendancy and needs to be produced at the right time.Doyle is capable of doing that ,but it will be tricky .(3/1) Excelebration - Class act and probably one of the best milers Coolmore have had. Appears to be still underrated.(7/1) Society Rock - a bit inconsistent though he did look in great shape prior to Ascot. Probably prefer some give in the ground.(8/1) Hoof it - Possibly developed a back problem (14/1) Ortensia - has plenty of ability,could bounce back from ascot if it comes up quick.(16/1) Seepoy - difficult to assess (14/1) *Dandy Boy - looks in great heart at present and must have some sort of chance.(n/o) *Strong Suit - 7f specialist loaded with pace,looked to have physically developed from 3-4 prior to his Ascot loss. Showed a poor attitude at Ascot though(n/o) Excelebration and Strong suit look a cut above these ,but how will they cope with the drop from 7f to 6f and will they run? Horses in recent years to run in this having dropped back in trip were Dutch Art who came 2nd and Paco Boy who came 4th under a very poor ride by Fortune. Going further back Mozart ran in the Irish Guineas then the Jersey before bolting up here,though he didn't stay 7f. It's difficult to estimate if both will line up but I'd say there's a 75% chance Excelebration will, I doubt Excelebration will run against Frankel again so this is an alternative. Strong suit's connections are after a Group one win but such was the disapponiting effort at Ascot and possiblity of ground slower than ideal they may not supplement. 7/1 on Excelebration looks big enough to take even allowing for the fact he may not run. If he does run I doubt he'll be anywhere near that price. Backed Ecelebration and will cover on Strong suit if he lines up. |
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Excel would go off favourite if he runs for sure.
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Must have been an acceptance stage JULY 3rd, 28 left in from original 57,
MOONLIGHT CLOUD among them, trainer said she would not run in JULY CUP, so don't understand the waste of money, but it happens a lot in racing. |
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has obrien hinted that he might well go for this with excalibration ?
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Not that I've seen ,no.
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He has now. Says Reply & Excel are possibles, which usually means they run.
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What price Excel IF he runs? 3/1 ..
Current going is Heavy. No idea how quick Haydock drains but with the weather unsettled it's likely to be have somekind of soft in the going description by next week. |
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mm slight error there sint
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can see a monster plunge if this horse runs, wouldnt surprise me near 2/1, and romping home as well.
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dont like the look of £ 100 x 3 trying to lay at around 6 on here to be honest, as for his chances of running .
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plus ladbrokes standout 8/1
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Lads now 13/2
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