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By:
elisjohn
When: 11 Jul 12 07:53
not  100% certain , but dont think he was supp.
By:
roobuck
When: 11 Jul 12 08:31
NOT supplemented
By:
bazzar
When: 11 Jul 12 12:55
Not perfect and have never claimed to be, so might not have been concentrating, aplogise.
By:
TheAnorak
When: 12 Jul 12 10:00
Power and Hoof It both missing from final declarations.
By:
sintonian
When: 12 Jul 12 15:57
Yep that does not surprise me.

Current going is Soft. More rain expected so it will be at least that for the race.

Strong Suit may not run apparently. Surely they knew what the ground might be like before supplementing him?
By:
The Big O
When: 13 Jul 12 09:45
Soul is an out and out wet tracker and his Jubilee run was good, that said I find it very hard to back a third-rater like him to beat his top-class stablemate Sepoy regardless of conditions.

Not much suits Sepoy in this but on top form he is the best horse in this race by a ways.
By:
roobuck
When: 13 Jul 12 10:13
Soul not running - goes to Newbury instead
By:
elisjohn
When: 13 Jul 12 14:58
nice one me, asked about society rock on here few weeks back when he was around 16, fancied it a bit, alas didnt back itCry
By:
The Big O
When: 13 Jul 12 17:15
Cheers for spotting that Roobuck. He must be a massive show in that...
By:
sintonian
When: 13 Jul 12 19:43
dont lets us put you off in future Elis! I was just reporting what the trainer had said re the stalls. At the end of his comments (posted on here) he did say they planned on running.
By:
elisjohn
When: 13 Jul 12 19:58
oh sint not blaming you at all,     [:cool,
By:
sintonian
When: 13 Jul 12 20:16
Yeah I know. Think I made it sounds like I thought you were.

What im saying is in the ''future'', if you like something,just back it.

There was a guy on twitter last weekend saying he liked Nathaniel but was put off by John Gosdens ''needing the run'' comments. I told him not to worry about that, just back it if YOU fancy it. Gosden the master of spin/blind alleys.
By:
sintonian
When: 14 Jul 12 10:18
BB,Libranno,KK all out.

Sepoy now 4/1 !!

Good luck to those who took the 14/1 and 12/1.

I must be the only pratt who has backed Ortensia! Laugh
By:
mightymoyes
When: 14 Jul 12 15:45
anyone pick the winner?Crazy
By:
sintonian
When: 14 Jul 12 15:52
Not me! Awful punting race for my bank!
By:
tinkler
When: 14 Jul 12 17:30
Front 2 handled the heavy ground OK ,the rest appeared not to,to varying degrees.
     Mayson was very pickable if you could forgive his last 2 runs. The York defeat was excusable as he apparently injured
himself in the stalls. The Newcastle defeat was very difficult to forgive. What happened that day is a mystery to me and
looked a  bit suspect. Despite running against the near rail with a massive draw bias in his favour and similar ground to today
he ran very poorly for no reason. He drifted out to nearly double his early price ,which given that at the time it looked
like he had nearly the best form in the race and would like the heavy conditions looked strange. Fahey sent out negative
messages before the race saying the horse may find it too soft. Fahey said after todays race ,his Newcastle flop was due to
the heavy ground there - personally I don't believe him and the real reason for his Newcastle flop may never come to light.
By:
sintonian
When: 14 Jul 12 18:31
Actually thought Ortensia ran well in 4th. According to BC Time Series she clocked the quickest furlong from 4 to 3. Back on Good ground in the Nunthorpe who knows ..
By:
mac99
When: 14 Jul 12 20:01
Tinkler...yes I backed him last time at Newcastle as well  and was very disappointed by his run there
and as you say he  was effectively a non runner from the Off , but i do not think any  intention to cheat was  at the heart of his poor run , more likely imo was following his  stalls upset at York they wanted to give him an easy time  and the very heavy ground was a pretty good excuse not to go for it perhaps understandable in the circumstances ,I had a token saver bet on him today as his form  on  ground with give  ground earlier in the season was very impressive , wished I had put on a bit more ,or a lot more !
By:
tinkler
When: 14 Jul 12 20:49
mac99 - you could be right about connections wanting him to have an easy time ,the jockey did give the
horse every chance though and the horse stopped pretty quick.
Probably a bit paranoid and a bit hacked off to see him winning as if  could have forgiven his last run
would have fancied him on todays heavy ground.  Suppose the other thing is that if I believed he was
stopped for whatever reason then should have ignored the run and backed it today which I didn't.
You live and learn.
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