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By:
Showrunner1
When: 24 Apr 12 22:09
going r h wont be a problem has won at carlisle and exeter but i am not sure the seven fences in quick succession will suit him
By:
kingrat
When: 24 Apr 12 22:25
i disagree,going rh is a serious negatinve and i am laying lbb for a place.
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 24 Apr 12 22:48
His RH form doesn't seem to be worrying. Not ran that way too many times but has won and finished second. Won twice RH in bumpers too if that has any significance.
By:
buddeliea
When: 25 Apr 12 07:41
will it be on???
By:
roobuck
When: 25 Apr 12 07:54
I think LBB prefers going left handed though not too concerned about it. The likely going and distance look right up his street, as long as there a couple of showers after today's heavy rain to prevent the ground going sticky.

However the Railway fences will pose a problem as whilst he hasn't fallen, LBB is not the most fluent jumper and Sandown is very much a rhythm track. That being said as I love the horse still played at 10s to small stakes and as I cannot see anything else I shall leave it at that
By:
BritBronco
When: 25 Apr 12 10:00
I got on the 12s on Monday night, but I'm not convinced the ground will be soft enough.
There seems to be a big belief the ground will be heavy, but I think a lot of people are looking at the flat course going description (soft) and not the chase course. As of Tuesday 3.00pm the chase course was still G/S, Good in place. It was 1.4 better on the going stick than the flat course.
I eagerly await the updated going stick readings (hopefully later today), but I don't think heavy is a sure thing.
By:
BJG
When: 25 Apr 12 10:05
Bucketing down today
By:
BJG
When: 25 Apr 12 11:15
Mite nt be on at all Confused

Hereford and Epsom doubtful already today due to massive downpiurs
By:
Facts
When: 25 Apr 12 11:28
LBB now clear favourite in the betting.
By:
BJG
When: 25 Apr 12 13:36
Todays Sandown going report must be a secret, cant find any update!
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 25 Apr 12 14:27
West End Rockers form going right handed doesn't look too clever.
By:
BritBronco
When: 25 Apr 12 15:38
I sent Sandown Park a tweet to ask about the going... no reply. I guess they will update later this afternoon, yesterday's update was at 4pm, so maybe the same today.
By:
BJG
When: 25 Apr 12 15:46
Ive sent a few and so have a few others too, all with no response either!
By:
BritBronco
When: 25 Apr 12 16:20
Could be too heavy to race on the flat course, but ok for the jumps. Would the card still go ahead with 4 races??

I think it will be ok, they won't cancel a meeting of this profile unless the course is underwater!
By:
Reefer 2001
When: 25 Apr 12 16:47
Well the news is in and its not great for LBB backers.  24mm equates to gd/sft, sft places.  Hard to believe.
By:
buddeliea
When: 25 Apr 12 16:56
the race is on saturday,still 3 days of potential rain,and to be honest i too find it hard to believe,and the fact their is still good in the description amazes me.
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 25 Apr 12 17:01
The going stick reading nor the description changed even after an inch of rain.... someone is telling a few porkies .. lol
By:
Facts
When: 25 Apr 12 17:16
No fear about ground not being right - LBB is the one.
By:
BJG
When: 25 Apr 12 17:19
Sandown Park ‏ @Sandownpark  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
GOING UPDATE-Jump track good-soft, soft in places. Flat course heavy. Going has eased after the morning rain

Sandown Park ‏ @Sandownpark  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
The worst of the rain has now passed through Esher @Sandownpark



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By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 25 Apr 12 17:25
Anyone give Tullamore Drew a chance? 1lb lower than when running Massini's Maguires. That race has worked out very well. Obv there are worries about him being over the top and also the distance but price compensates.
By:
Meat Loaf
When: 25 Apr 12 17:28
Tullamore Dew has possibly ran one too many races this year.

I would suggest Rare Bob is a decent bet at a price.
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 25 Apr 12 17:56
Agree with Rare Bob. Only thing putting me off him was that I thought it was going to be heavy. If that doesn't turn out to be the case will probably back him. Esecially if good is in the description. I know he has some form on heavy but trainer been quoted as saying he wants better ground than that.
By:
PFtrader
When: 25 Apr 12 17:57
Shocking renewal, bad ground, best avoided
By:
BJG
When: 25 Apr 12 19:36
WE ALL needed our waterproofs on the gallops at Barbury on Wednesday, but neither Alan nor Wayne (Hutchinson) were complaining about getting soaked as they heard that Sandown, where the mud-loving West End Rocker is due to sign our season off in the bet365 Gold Cup at Sandown on Saturday, was also getting rain aplenty.
    Just 4mm fell overnight on the Esher slopes, but the word from clerk of the course Andrew Cooper at breakfast-time was that it had started raining heavily again and that anything between 10-15mm could hit Sandown by early afternoon.
Obviously, as always at Sandown the Flat course will ride much softer than the jumps track, but it looks like being ideal for ‘Rocker’, who was out on the gallops with Wayne this morning.
    Alan said: “‘Rocker’ has bounced back well from Aintree. He just got in too tight at the second fence and that was that, but there were 10 minutes or so of real anxiety as he ran loose and we did not know where he was.
“Happily, he was soon reunited with the team and came back unscathed, and he went fine this morning, so we just hope that it keeps on raining over the next 72 hours or so.”
    ‘Rocker’ has never won right-handed – he has run his best races at Aintree, Warwick and Newbury – but he ran well enough over hurdles at Taunton as a novice to suggest that it won’t be a problem.
By:
harchibald
When: 25 Apr 12 20:34
ROALCO DE FARGES for whom this is the plan, is 14/1. Would advise win bet.
By:
IC superstar
When: 25 Apr 12 23:15
This looks a really trappy race, pure and simple! I have looked over the field a number of times and I keep coming to the conclusion that it's the kind of race that will produce a surprise. But who will it be? Personally I think it might be Viking Blond, but I will address his chances in a moment.

I've backed Le Beau Bai in every race this season and he just strikes me as the sort to not relish the test that Sandown offers. He needs it bottomless and I'm not sure it will be (I live near the course and the heavy rain stopped at about 3. Since then it hasn't been heavy rain. Not raining as I write this, just very windy). He is a very talented horse and his form this season is rock solid. My issue lies with the view that I think the pace of the race will be too quick for him. I realise it is a marathon test but I just get the feeling that he will be getting niggled as they go out for the final time and the quick succession of railway fences will be his undoing. The more I think about it, he could do the job and I'd be happy for him. But from a betting perspective I'm going with my gut.

Vic Venturi could be interesting at 40/1 through his form with Follow The Plan, but his form has been patchy of late

I've always thought Viking Blond is capable of winning a decent prize this season and this could be it. While Sam is not on board which is a negative, he has been dropped to quite a workable mark of 135. He'll like the ground and the distance and his jumps like he did earlier in the season he will handle the railway fences. He makes for a fair degree of appeal at 25/1

Any Currency would be my idea of the winner had he not run at Ayr last weekend. For this reason I'm inclined to swerve him

Aldertune does look an interesting sort but watching his last few races this season he appears to be very ungenuine, he doesn't like going past horses


That is my view of the race. It does appear to be somewhat of a no bet race. However I just can't get the idea of Viking Blond winning out of my head
By:
IC superstar
When: 25 Apr 12 23:17
Apologies, my bit on the Viking should read as follows:

I've always thought Viking Blond is capable of winning a decent prize this season and this could be it. While Sam is not on board which is a negative, he has been dropped to quite a workable mark of 135. He'll like the ground and the distance and if he jumps like he did earlier in the season he will handle the railway fences. He makes for a fair degree of appeal at 25/1
By:
kingrat
When: 26 Apr 12 01:16
i cant have viking blond,i think hes over the top and any way ican c his jumping going to pot at this track.i agree with your reasons for opposing lbb plus i think going rh is a negative,i am laying him for a place.i really like aldertune,track ground trip no problem,jumps lovely.imo hes an e.w good thing and will have a decent cut on him.i wonder who will ride him?gl
By:
boy wonder 07
When: 26 Apr 12 07:45
i agree i c s viking blond is overpriced at 25 his form early in the season gives him a big chance here dont forget he went off fav for the welsh nat twiston in rich vein of form i have already started nibbling at 28 on here
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 26 Apr 12 09:15
Tidal Bay has a very good record on soft ground or worse. Has finished 2nd At Sandown before over 2 miles... shapes like he'll stay but hasn't proved it as such.
By:
BritBronco
When: 26 Apr 12 12:29
The going stick readings were updated on the bhb website this morning.

4.9 (Heavy) on the Flat course, but amazingly on 6.8 on the chase course! Still Good to Soft, soft in place.
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 26 Apr 12 15:11
When do bookies go NRNB? Will it be now or tomorrow?
By:
turnip turns
When: 26 Apr 12 15:34
tomoz afternoon,after the final decs are announced .
By:
Reefer 2001
When: 26 Apr 12 18:05
Now Soft, gd/sft in places after 4mm.  Not much rain forecast now.  So soft at worst.
By:
SOULDANCER
When: 26 Apr 12 19:03
Knighton Combe 33-1 e.w. won last time and 4lb lower now, only 9-10 on his back. Won the Summer National acts on soft and hasn't had a busy season so is fresher than most.
By:
turnip turns
When: 26 Apr 12 19:06
SANDOWN PARK - Mixed (Updated:26/04/2012 at 16:03:59)   
Going
Chase - Soft, Good to Soft in places
Hurdle - Soft, Good to Soft in places
Flat - Heavy
(GoingStick: Flat 4.9 Chase 6.2 Hurdle 5.3 on Thursday at 15:00)
By:
El Apache
When: 26 Apr 12 19:53
Given my wager on Dovers Hill appears to have gone down the Armitage Shanks, have saved on Knighton Combe. Love the jockey booking.
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 26 Apr 12 20:03
Sorry for novice question but does jockey booking mean he will carry 9 st 9lb or has his allowance already been taken into account?
By:
IC superstar
When: 26 Apr 12 20:14
It has been a nice afternoon in Esher. No rain and plenty of wind so it may have taken a fair bit of the surface water off the track, and therefore it may not have got into the ground.

Even though the ground is not soft or heavy, it will still be testing as Sandown's drainage is usually pretty poor. Still don't think it is what Le Beau needs.
By:
carvillshill
When: 27 Apr 12 00:20
Agree with a lot you've said IC super. I think the soft ground horses have been overbet for a race likely to be run on no worse than good to soft going. Am also on Viking Blond- he got very buzzed up before the Welsh National and raced too keenly, forget that run. Good jumper, not out of this at 25/1. Had to back my National plunge Rare Bob as well at 20/1- has had a light season geared to the National and very well in compared to West End Rocker on more decent ground on their Beecher running.
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