The Game Spirit aka Super Saturday Chase

Horribly weak. Really shows up how weak the 2 mchasing division is at the moment. Let's hope the current nvoices fulfil their promise so we get some decent racing next season.

Cue Card gets a few useful pounds,has course experience and its speed just could force SS into making an error or two. I would want nearer 3-1, however.

5/4 does look big for this race

Neil for my money Tizzard is a 10lb penalty, Cue Card just cant get away with that in a Cheltenham G1 (There was limited he could do wrong in the Bumper).

It's ashame, he just seems to unbalance a horse so much. I'm desperate for him to get a suspension for Cheltenham!

Really think CC could blow the SS bubble wide open but Joe?? Not sure what the play is a Lay of SS or CC win. Really don't like a lot of the others. Opera at his best would have shot but with Geraghty on SS could be a fishcake jock unless AP is not busy.

If I can get 3's CC even with Joe on board I'd be happy to take the chance. Honestly I could see CC beating SS very easily (I mean 5+ lengths) assuming there is a good pace. If it turns into a kickers race nothing will touch SS.

My worry is Joe setting a false pace in front. No doubt SS would have the gears on all of these if it turned in to a kickers race but who knows if French Opera harries him the pace might be decent by default. Put it this way if STD was on board CC I'd make him fav.

yep sure SS over this trip will take all the beating.

not fussed about the nicholls handicapper either.

Even money, definitely worse bets around

Viking....if Joe is a 10lb penalty, that puts the horse about a stone better than Bobsworth,and on a line through For Non Stop,about a stone better than Al Ferof. You don't really think the horse would win the Arkle hard held with a different jockey, do you? On your line of thinking Hey Big Spender goes close in the Gold Cup,and Third Intention would have won the Greatwood with a different jockey.....

Well put it this way, Cue Card would of won at Newbury by 3-4 lengths at Newbury imo. He lost the horse so much ground at the last 2 fences alone. Secondly Bobs worth of a flat track over 2.5 miles? Would be far from ideal, the horse is all stamina. So Cue Card was racing Bobs Worth on very favourable terms and Bobs Worth was never going to produce any where near his best.

The race at Newbury the last day was a joke, some of the worst jumping you could wish to see. The form in terms of figures was worthless. If you hadn't been told who was running you would of been foregiven for thinking it was a seller.

Fair do's to Joe he gave Hey Big Spender a decent ride at Warwick, the pace of the race did full into his hand. Also with a more experianced horse they know their task more, where as Cue Card who is still learning a lot having Joe on top is more of a negative effect.

Look, this isn't pocket talk as I refuse to back any horse he is riding, will occassionally back him in a bumper though.

For me Joe unsettles the horse going into fences, and quite often gets caught napping tactically. Thats my opinion and I'm not the only one, Timeform also have this view

Reve no they dont. But I saw Kieron saying last year he wouldn't back Cue Card based on Tizzard. He said when removing Tizzard from the saddle quite a lot of the horses go up by nearly a stone (reckons they have lots of examples of this), and that was enough to stop him backing him in the Supremes.

I agree re Hold Fast - I suspect he could be too Tom.

Hi Viking,
Just backed Oaseiu de Nuit for the Queen Mother.When it comes on a stone without Joe it should be a shoe-in....
Do you really think Cue Card jumped badly last time out at Newbury? I have watched the race over and over;I thought its jumping was generally sound.Definitely better than its rivals!Should be a fascinating race, let's hope its on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XjhHffSZHw

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So I aint the only one

yes but Cue Card did not get beat in the Supreme because of the jockey - the horse simply was not good enough and the form of his novice win and the run against Menorah were over rated. Spirit Son went on to hose up at Aintree and no jockey would have got CC to finish in front of him let alone Al Ferof

but I do agree in general he is far from the best

yes always looked a chaser and he would do better with a proper jock on board like a choc, timmy or someone like that

but some of his defeats are not down to joe

Cue Card out of the race.

Also just looked at CCs last run at Newbury as at the time I thought though racing with zest , he wasnt having a real cut at his fences , what he actually does a stride or two before the fence is turn his head to the left (thoughts of running out cross my mind )then back again, then jumps .He did this at most of his fences , when he didnt , he made a mistake . So perhaps its a quirky thing with the horse rather than JT . For what its worth I dont see him finishing up the hill this year either.

5/4 backers are not counting there money as my bet was refunded.

Mine wasn't and neither was anybody else's I know, bet still shows as open. I put various bets on, AP singles and doubles last week with 3 different companies involving this race. I was expecting all the bets to be voided but only 1 of the bookies (PP) has, I can't be arsed to check the Antepost T&C's with each but I thought it was normal procedure that if the entries were re-opened then the bets were voided?

I will be absolutely fuming if they void them now and will close my accounts with those bookies. If they had been voided when the race re-opened I would have still put the same bets back on at a shade under evens, as I did with the PP bets.

No way bets should stand - real nice gesture of the bookies if they let them stand cos they have to refund CC. I mean what if Zaynar won and your selection came 2nd to it. It's open and shut, all bets void after they reopen and change date.

Really gonna be scraping the barrel to get SS beat no though still think he's a fraud. French Opera at his best could do it but 300 days off against a stable mate. Hardly think Hendersons gonna be too motivated to have it 100%.

Oh well bubble will have to burst at Chelt though think SS could cruise throughout this and then not find a great deal in the finish here winning by 2 lengths or so.