Western Charmer - Grand National winner 2012

what , dirt box knowing you

Timeform tipped this and Baby Run at the start of the season

Cheers Steamship, i knew he stole it from somewhere #whistles

didnt realise Baby Run was being aimed at the National. I like Western Charmer too but horses who ran in the Irish National dont have a great record at Aintree.

I have been all over this one for a while now, was even gonna start a similar thread

BJg- feck off imo

cake knows

dirrt boxx

TT you fiend.

FFT taken it in the dirt box from Western Charmer.

Horrific Scenes.

ak1979...apart from papillion and numbersixvalverde....

Last matched at 60s on here and very weak

Any news?

How can anyone say Horse X ticks all the boxes when we don't know the weights?

Because I think it's fair to say that given his mark of 143 hell definitely get in, and off a decent weight

Well I'm no expert on horse racing, so I bow to your superior knowledge. I thought the
handicapper was allowed to shift horses from one mark to another.

What makes you think it is rated 143 FFT? It was on 143 in Ireland last time, more likely to be around 141 in England after a poor run - making it a doubtful runner?

141 has historitcally been enough to get into the race. Anything below 140 and you'd be a bit nervous. I note he has drifted a bit in recent days.

I would say you will have to be at least 140 this year to stand a chance of getting in the race. Look a lot of horses around the 150 mark who are intended runners.

if anything...the h/capper raises irish marks....for the g.national

Yeah fair point meatloaf. Hope Niche Market's mark hasnt dropped too much! 142 should be ok.

Funnily enough i was looking at Niche Market yesterday. 142 looks a generous mark - I'm guessing they won't run him over fences until the weights are announced. You will get a run for your money from him but does he lack class?

A dark horse for the race for me is Little Josh who is dude to return next weekend. I have him at 1000s but I think he could be Twiston-Davies main hope in the race.

if anything...the h/capper raises irish marks....for the g.national
Trev's right Irish mark usually lower, often much lower.
Did Niche Market stay the distance last year?, looked to be going well yet faded late on.

There is a stamina doubt but the lower weight may help.

Little Josh- he wouldnt be allowed to run as things stand. He needs to be placed over 3 miles to qualify.

Ok, whether he would get in or not is irrelevant to what I asked first up last night. Just wondered if there was any explanation of his weakness + drift in the market.

Worrying scenes

I must admit I complelty forgot about the new national rule having to finish in the top 4 in a 3m chase- schoolboy error! That might be a tenner down the drain or to be layed off! However I will wait till after next weekends Pillar Chase (if it runs) as I've got a sneaky feeling Little Josh could run a big race in that. Twiston's horses often go well fresh.

He appears to be entered in the Thyestes on 28 Jan

Western Charmer, that is.

If it runs badly in the Thyestes then it may struggle to get in the National. When do entries close and weights announced?

Weights published in early February.