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CLERKWATCH 2012
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adamski, is this a joke, intention of having good/ soft
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That's what the guy said elisjohn, I've just listened to it again on the Talksport website, it's at about 6.55 am on the Brazil breakfast show.
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madness, cheers adam
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After the watering, Epsom ( ok according to COC ) is Good to Firm with possibilities of showers.
So guys in your infinite wisdom with the weather we have been having, do you think they should not have watered? |
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epsom never watered for the first 200 years and never had a problem and the good fast going is what made the race the top 3yo race in the world.
it is a bit like glorious goodwood. for a hundred years it was the best flat meeting of the year with exciting racing and close finishes all over the place. now they regularly overwater and some years the single file racing on the mud is so poor that nobody cares much about it. the best flat meeting of the season reduced to an uninteresting slog by a CoC who knows absolutely nothing about racehorses. |
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Outpost,you have just hit the nail on the head,i went to ggoodwood for about 25 yrs and can remember the ground being like a road,never heard of any problems then,makes you wonder
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ardross,dancing brave,brigadier gerard, kris, triptych,oh so sharp, recall these horses winning on really fast groud,didnt harm their careers, yes ok msome horses it could shorten their careers, but fla racing for me is top class horses running on good or faster ground.
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EPSOM SET TO WATER AGAIN
Epsom clerk of the course Andrew Cooper could water the track to keep the current going description of good, good to firm in places. The track has missed the forecast thunderstorms in the area and little rain is forecast after Wednesday. Cooper told At The Races: "I think it would ride as good fast ground, which for summer Classics we should be racing on. "The last two nights we've had suggestions of thunderstorms which have missed us completely. The last prospect of any rain for us seems to be Wednesday with the possibility of showers coming in from the west. "They are not expected to be particularly heavy, but we could just catch something. Then it looks like it will cool down and stay dry. If we don't see any rain today I think we will have to do something to the track. "We don't need a lot (of water) at this stage. It's just a question of keeping it where it is. That means on a daily basis putting on about three millimetres of water." |
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AOB has threatened to pull one of his oaks horses out if the ground isn't softer.
(camelot likes good to soft as well) |
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soft ground on friday then i suppose
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Personally at this stage, I think they have handled the watering in the right way for Epsom. However after what he has said, if AOB does run Kissed then it is likely to a bit slower than advertised.
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Anthea Morshead at Ayr today. Track at full width. Useless information as usual.
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any news at epsom, any rain?
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usually they give the going as good to firm no matter what the going really is.
so epsom could well be good to firm (slippy in places) |
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Pontefract now post on the BHA site :
PONTEFRACT - Flat (Updated:01/06/2012 at 06:31:44) Going Good to Firm (GoingStick: 8.7 on Friday at 06:30) Stalls Inside all races Rails False rail is in place over the last 6 furlongs. The rail is about 15 feet from the inside rail and will add approx 12yds to all races. years after I rang them personally and told them moving the rail out 15 feet must have an affect, they said no...   |
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Divots flying left right & centre
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A brief synopsis of Chester racecourse. 31 meetings since 2010, and 6 of them raced on the racetrack proper (19%). 81% of meetings run on a moved rails basis. Must be the most rail moved track in the country. Taking the p is what it is.
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Id imagine that Goodwood must be high as well
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And?
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Meaning race distances and therefore time ratings may carry some degree of uncertainty, Haydock ran one last year that was nearly half a furlong shorter
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racing tomorrow at Chester on standard track makes it 7 from 32 nearly 22%. Still seems too low for me.
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But this information is known before the racing takes place so is it not possible to adjust to make your bets and record and adjust ratings afterwards?
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no rail movements will equal less mistakes for all involved in the sport. Surely this makes sense...
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So race on exactly the same strip of ground irrespective of weather conditions etc? Sorry but how would that benefit owners, trainers and jockeys exactly?
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never mind. im busy.
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That's what they do at Thirsk, never seen em put a running rail in on the top bend, irrespective of the damage on the inside 'racing line', & I've walked it plenty of times........Funny thing, you never hear a word of trainers complaining about it?
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You spoted them JJ,,, So they had to act fast.. rofl.
THIRSK - Flat (Updated:19/06/2012 at 06:29:48) Going GOOD to SOFT, GOOD in PLACES (GoingStick: 8.0 on Monday at 15:00) Stalls Round Course - Inside Rails Rail moved out 3-4 yards on both bends to preserve inner; this adds approximately 12 yards to races over 7F and 1M and approximately 17 yards to distances in excess of 1M. Weather No rain since Saturday and a fair, drying, past 48 hrs. Dry overnight and a fair day forecast. Other Clerk of the Course - James Sanderson, Tel 07850 058019 Head Groundsman - Steve Kelsey, Tel 07801 685611 |
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Disgraceful going descriptions at Ascot and Ayr today. Putting punters away. 18mm of rain at Ayr and they give Good to Firm!
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Can reports that Windsor are 'selectively watering' really be true in the current climate?
And if they are, why is no one from the BHA investigating why this needs to be done? And why aren't the betting public given more detail when this 'selective' watering' does take place? Gross profits tax gone mad imo........ |
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Maybe someone more scientific than me can give their opinion on todays rail movements at Sandown and Andrew Cooper's yardage of a an extra five yards....
that rail out looked a bit more than 5 yards extra travelled to me... |
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BEVERLEY - Flat (Updated:23/07/2012 at 09:13:48)
Going Good to Firm, Good in places (GoingStick: 8.4 on Monday at 08:30) Stalls Inside (all races) Rails All race distances as advertised Weather Dry overnight. Monday - 24C, warm and sunny. Watering No watering to take place. Still moisture in the ground and think watering could produce false patches. Ha! How long's it taken them to find that out |
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"Points re Raceday Management is that CoC are told to avoid Firm going at all costs as increases likelihood of injuries, and they should always work to getting the ground to as close to “Good” as possible, unlucky you fast ground lovers!"
http://dgkelly84.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/overview-of-british-racing-seminar/ |
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Leicester pleased to be racing
After losing five consecutive meetings due to waterlogging they are due to race at Leicester tonight on ground described as good to soft, good in places. Leicester clerk Jimmy Stevenson said: “It has been a dreadful summer for us. The ground is quite patchy due to the nature of the drying. It will probably ride very dead.” roughly translated that means "it's been really bad. We have hardly been able to water at all this year" |
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looking ahead to goodwood next week when will that lunatic irishman start watering to produce the soft ground he loves so much? i reckon the taps will be on by friday even though rain could be on its way by the weekend
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As "Close to good as possible" is an alarming story, if adhered to it could provide all kinds of excuses for COC'S
Why is the aim of "Good to firm" for flat courses being altered?? |
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GOING LATEST
The going at Goodwood is currently GOOD. Clerk of the Course Seamus Buckley reported today: "We are where we want to be with Glorious Goodwood now less than a week away and the going is good all over. "We will begin watering tomorrow to maintain the current conditions. "We had been forecast a shower on Friday but the chances of this arriving have died away and there is now no rain forecast until Monday and even then it is predicted to be light." |
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thank god seamus is on the ball those soft ground horses that havent had their favoured conditions all year can now look forward to a potential mudbath next week
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Having been originally quite amused at this thread, I completely agree that what Goodwood are doing is quite frankly wrong.
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Turtle Island has been supplemented for the Sussex Stakes, I hear.
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