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John.W.Henry.
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Well its a day early but nothing like a corker to end the year...

If ever there has been a more apt description of a going stick measurement, I have yet to see it..

Charlie Moore.... Take a bow Son.     .Crazy

UTTOXETER - Jump (Updated:31/12/2011 at 07:23:16)

Going
RACING GOES AHEAD
HEAVY
(GoingStick: 3.8 (dubious credibility) on Saturday at 07:00)

Rails
Divided Bends. Hurdlers moved out 6-8m to fresher ground. 1st
Hurdle (in the chute) in 2 mile hurdle race omitted.

Weather
8mm rain in last 24 hours. Dry and mild this morning but still
chance of the odd light shower

Other
For more info call Clerk of the Course - Charlie Moore - 07764
255500.

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By:
zilzal1
When: 31 Dec 11 08:41
I bet Turftrax dont stick that quote alongside Seamus Buckleys testimony on their WebsiteScared

Although it can be very apt at timesLaugh
By:
jonjo
When: 14 Feb 12 04:39
We need to get at em this year.
See if Maxse is as approachable as Paul Struthers was........
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 15 Feb 12 06:13
Morning JJ, Zil...

Nice to see you posting again pal :)
By:
zilzal1
When: 15 Feb 12 13:10
Not long until the Flat Season(oh and the description of Good to soft,Heavy. firm, good in places(delete as appropriate) for the supreme novice hurdle)Plain
By:
zilzal1
When: 22 Mar 12 23:17
Timeform speak up on the watering issue at last
By:
town moor
When: 23 Mar 12 07:48
Ground at Donny is pretty quick at the moment, grass cover is better than this time last year. Over the last couple of weeks we've had very little rain and dry forecast until tuesday now, so I'm not backing any soft ground horses for the lincoln at the moment.
By:
zilzal1
When: 23 Mar 12 08:51
It looked awful last spring
By:
roobuck
When: 23 Mar 12 08:59
I know its far from ideal, but courses should be putting plenty of water on at the moment. It has been so dry and unless they put moisture into the ground now to get grass growing etc, the rest of the season could be much worse by having to over water when it gets warmer to avoid firm going.

Also trainers are far less likely to run horses at the start of the season on firmish ground as it could ruin their season
By:
zilzal1
When: 23 Mar 12 09:02
Lets hope they have already done that, its selective watering and aiming for good ground instead of the BHA's remit of good to firm that im mainly on about
By:
zilzal1
When: 28 Mar 12 12:58
Take a look at these ridiculous stick readings at Donny and try to make sense of them!!

No rain for ages, he hasnt even issued a reading(with the history im not surprised)

eeting Date    Official Going    GoingStick Index
03-Mar-12    Good    8.9
02-Mar-12    Good    9.1
22-Feb-12    Good    9.3
09-Feb-12    Abandoned    no information
28-Jan-12    Good to Soft (Soft in places)    8.4
11-Jan-12    Good (Good to Soft in places)    9
29-Dec-11    Good to Soft (Good in places)
Changed to Good to Soft after race 1    8.9
10-Dec-11    Good to Soft    no information
09-Dec-11    Good to Soft    8.4
25-Nov-11    Good to Firm (Good in places)(watered)    C: 8.7
H: 8.9
05-Nov-11    Straight Course: Good to Soft (Soft in places)
Round Course: Soft (Good to Soft in places)
Round changed to Soft after Race 1    6.9
22-Oct-11    Good    9
21-Oct-11    Straight Course: Good
Round Course: Good (Good to Soft in places)    8.9
10-Sep-11    Good to Firm    Overall: 8.6
Far side: 8.5
Stand side: 8.7
on Friday at 09:00
09-Sep-11    Good (Good to Firm in places)    Overall: 8.6
Round: 8.4
Straight: 8.7
Home Straight: Far side: 8.5
Stand side: 8.7
08-Sep-11    Good    Overall: 8.5
Round: 8.2
Straight: 8.8
Home Straight: Far side: 8.6
Stand side: 8.6
07-Sep-11    Good    Overall: 8.2
Home Straight: Far side: 8.6
Stand side: 8.5
07-Sep-11    Good (Good to Firm in places)    Overall: 8.2
Home Straight: Far side: 8.6
Stand side: 8.5
13-Aug-11    Straight: Good
Round: Good (Good to Firm in places)    7.3 on Friday at 15:00
30-Jul-11    Good to Firm (Watered)    7.4
21-Jul-11    Good (Good to Soft in places on the Round Course)    7.4
on Wednesday at 4pm
14-Jul-11    Good to Firm (Watered)    7.3
07-Jul-11    Good to Firm (Watered)    7.8
01-Jul-11    Good to firm (Watered)    6.7 on Thursday at 07:15
25-Jun-11    Good to Firm    6.7
24-Jun-11    Good to Firm    6.4
12-Jun-11    Good to Soft (Soft in places)
(after race 4)    Straight: 6.5
Round: 6.7 on Sunday at 07:00
12-Jun-11    Straight: Good to Soft (after race 2)
Round: Good (after race 1)    Straight: 6.5
Round: 6.7 on Sunday at 07:00
12-Jun-11    Straight: Good
Round: Good to Firm (Good in places)    Straight: 6.5
Round: 6.7 on Sunday at 07:00
04-Jun-11    Good to Firm (Watered)    7.3
03-Jun-11    Good to Firm (Good in places)
(Watered)    6.9
14-May-11    Good (Good to Firm in places)    7.6 on Saturday at 07:00
30-Apr-11    Straight Course: Good to Firm (Watered)
Round Course: Good to Firm (Good in places) (Watered)    8.7 on Saturday at 10:00
29-Apr-11    Straight: Good to Firm (watered)
Round: Good (Good to Firm in places)
(watered)    8.5 on Thursday at 16:00
16-Apr-11    Good to Firm (Good in places)(Watered)    8.5
03-Apr-11    Good (Good to Firm in places)    no information
02-Apr-11    Good    7.8 on Saturday at 07:00
05-Mar-11    Good    7.7 on Saturday at 07:30
04-Mar-11    Good    C: 7.5
H: 7.9
23-Feb-11    Good to Soft (Soft in places)    7.1
29-Jan-11    Meeting abandoned    no information
28-Jan-11    Good (Good to Firm in places)    8.7 on Friday at 10:00
12-Jan-11    Good    8.4
11-Dec-10    Abandoned due to snow and frozen ground    no information
10-Dec-10    Abandoned due to frost and snow.    no information
06-Nov-10    Good to Soft (Soft in places)    6.6
23-Oct-10    Good (Good to Soft in places)    7.5
22-Oct-10    Good (Good to Soft in places)    7.4
11-Sep-10    Good    Round: 8.0
Stand side: 8.2
Centre: 8.6
Far side: 8.5
10-Sep-10    Good    Round: 8.3
Stand side: 8.2
Centre: 8.5
Far side: 8.5


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By:
town moor
When: 28 Mar 12 17:14
The guy is a liar, pure and simple. Previous clerk was open to quetions from anyone, this one answers until anyone disagrees with him. I've never seen him use the going stick, but I regularly see him doing a weird lurch down the straight mile (like something from the ministry of funny walks) slamming his walking stick from shoulder height into the ground with each stride. His going descriptions are nonsense, the only thing you can be sure of is that they are incorrect.
Apart from that I'm a big admirer of his!
By:
zilzal1
When: 28 Mar 12 18:41
Cheers TM, does it look an even surface this year?? Or will i be middle to stands again??
By:
town moor
When: 28 Mar 12 19:56
Just walked the straight mile. Loads of water has gone on in the last few days, but to me it's still quick side of good. I think it's pretty even across the track and the only reason the draw will be taken into account by me is to find the speed. I'll walk it again tomorrow afternoon.
By:
zilzal1
When: 28 Mar 12 21:11
Cheers TM, It would be nice if we could find around 40 people who lived just outside each racecourse around the country just for the updatesLaugh
By:
town moor
When: 29 Mar 12 17:32
Just back in, I think quicker now than it was last night, and I'd say it's currently good/firm all over. He'll water tomorrow though.
By:
turnip turns
When: 01 Apr 12 15:30
Not been impressed with the ground at Donny,it would appear to my eyes that there's been too much watering going onCry
By:
town moor
When: 01 Apr 12 18:03
Agreed, he's happy to say live on telly that he's watering to maintain GOOD ground!
By:
zilzal1
When: 01 Apr 12 22:41
Not a great start to the year, get on to the authorities about wasting waterMischief
By:
town moor
When: 02 Apr 12 07:56
Unfortunately they have their own bore hole!
By:
zilzal1
When: 13 Apr 12 13:35
Aintree do it again
By:
Oasisdreamer
When: 25 Apr 12 06:48
RIpon doing a not very fine job of keeping their Going Report on the BHA website updated for the meeting this Saturday 28/4.  They have history of doing this before.
By:
unluckyStu
When: 27 Apr 12 11:20
Clerks been over doing the watering again, look at the state of the going at the tracks again today, meetings abandoned all week and this weekend already, there's supposed to be a drought ffs Laugh. They cover the tracks for frost why can't they do it for excessive rain. Be a good idea if the had like a tent style so the water runs off them onto the side of the track, will have to go and see if I can get it patented before it takes off big style, especially with all this global warming going on WinkIt's going to be June before we get firm in any going description at this rate and that's if its not raining then, Seamus down at Goodwood must be in his element watering away with his machine down there, trying to maintain good to heavy going for the glorius meeting Laugh.

How's everyone doing by the way not posted on here for ages, Zil and Jonjo OK ?
By:
zilzal1
When: 27 Apr 12 11:39
Fine thanks Stu
By:
roobuck
When: 27 Apr 12 12:14
So you are going to blame the COCs for all the recent rainfall as well?
By:
Roger De Bris
When: 15 May 12 21:59
A Morshead on RUK now, a habitual rail mover and no info up on the BHA site when at Musselburgh, and now assistant at York, one of the best run tracks in the country for informing on rail movements. If yer man Derby takes a holiday, the place could go hoop up.
By:
zilzal1
When: 15 May 12 22:38
Haydock were up to the usual standard last saturday, according to them the jumps course was softer, results look slightly strange then as they dicked standard in the 3 miler and all the flat races seemed about 0-40 slow per furlongConfused
By:
turnip turns
When: 17 May 12 11:40
Mark Johnston today.

17th May 2012


I called the Clerk of The Course at Doncaster this morning and asked him if he had been on holiday. I assumed he must have been away as everyone else knows that it has rained nearly every day in Yorkshire for the last month and yet he is watering.
It cannot be right and I can only assume that he simply doesn’t know what Good-Firm ground, for Flat racehorses, is.
It is raining here in Middleham now although my iPhone tells me that it is dry in Doncaster. However, it also tells me that it is forecast to rain in Doncaster tomorrow and on Saturday. I am almost certain that the ground will be softer than good and, if that is the case, I would be wrong to run Elkhaart.
As we do not charge our owners any expenses (staff, travelling, racing plates etc.) if their horse doesn’t race, non-runners have been costing us dearly in recent weeks. In all cases to date, there is nobody to blame for that – they can’t do anything about the weather – but this is a very different scenario and, if the ground is soft, Doncaster should be forced to compensate us for our losses.



Mick Channon ‏@Mick_Channon_TV
Watering at Doncaster. I'm trying to run a business. Are they? Livid.



understandable rage imoCry
By:
zilzal1
When: 17 May 12 11:47
The mind boggles....
By:
PHS
When: 18 May 12 18:11
Have Newm overdone the description for today? Times don't indicate Good to Firm!
By:
PHS
When: 19 May 12 11:00
9mm overnight at Doncaster, so Mark Johnston was correct Cry
By:
zilzal1
When: 19 May 12 11:06
Id say a refund for connections who dont want to run on this ground would be in order..
By:
Muqbil
When: 21 May 12 14:16
Heyup fellas. Didn't realise there was a thread up this season. Hope you are all keeping well?
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 22 May 12 08:11
20th May 2012


This morning we took six two-year-olds to gallop at Haydock on their newly refurbished track. I was most impressed. It looks in terrific condition and, despite the wettest spring in my memory it was remarkably good ground.
I walked the track after the gallop and, although I could see each footprint, there were no divots turned over. On closer inspection I could put my finger about two inches into the toe of each hoofprint. I asked how Haydock would describe this ground and I was told it was Good-Soft. This is in stark contrast to the ground at Doncaster last night where the horses were turning over great clods of earth and returning with mud up above their fetlocks. It was certainly much softer than the Haydock ‘Good-Soft’ ground and yet it was described as ‘Good’.
Surely we can devise a simple system based on analysis of times, wind, finishing positions and other objective parameters to assess the true state of the ground after a race meeting. Then, when certain Clerks of the Course are found to consistently mislead us on the true state of the ground and/or mismanage the racecourse (e.g. by watering when the ground is already softer than optimum and rain is forecast), the management should be penalised.




17th May 2012


I called the Clerk of The Course at Doncaster this morning and asked him if he had been on holiday. I assumed he must have been away as everyone else knows that it has rained nearly every day in Yorkshire for the last month and yet he is watering.
It cannot be right and I can only assume that he simply doesn’t know what Good-Firm ground, for Flat racehorses, is.
It is raining here in Middleham now although my iPhone tells me that it is dry in Doncaster. However, it also tells me that it is forecast to rain in Doncaster tomorrow and on Saturday. I am almost certain that the ground will be softer than good and, if that is the case, I would be wrong to run Elkhaart.
As we do not charge our owners any expenses (staff, travelling, racing plates etc.) if their horse doesn’t race, non-runners have been costing us dearly in recent weeks. In all cases to date, there is nobody to blame for that – they can’t do anything about the weather – but this is a very different scenario and, if the ground is soft, Doncaster should be forced to compensate us for our losses.



16th May 2012 very early am

Just home from dinner at James and Sally Bethell’s (great night) and I am watching Racing UK while catching up on my e mails. Anthea Morshead has just been on telling us that the fact that jockeys spread all the way across the track looking for the ‘golden highway’ at York confirms that there is no bias. Sorry, Anthea, I don’t agree. Whenever I see horses spread right across the track I think that the race is a mess.
She also told us that, for five and six furlong races, the stalls would be placed in the middle of the track. Why?
Prepare yourself for more controversy at York.



8th May 2012

I agree with Mick Channon’s comments about the placing of the stalls in the middle of the track at the Guineas meeting. It is a regular scenario these days and it seems that, somehow, clerks of courses have been convinced that placing the stalls in the middle of the track will reduce bias and provide a fairer race. Or, more likely, they simply think that, by placing the stalls in such a way, they will spread the field across the track and, by so doing, make better use of the available ground.
We even see some cases where the stalls are placed on the disadvantageous side of the course to try and prevent jockeys from congregating on the fastest strip.
As Mick Channon said, it results in messy races with a huge bias and a very poor spectacle to watch.
It is much better when the horses have a rail to race down and jockeys know what they have to do to try and overcome any bias. At least we then see the horses racing as a group.
That said, the situation at Chester is even more ridiculous when we have a situation whereby the worst drawn horses are so disadvantaged that they may as well not turn up. It is no surprise that many of the poorly drawn horses, particularly in the sprints, will be withdrawn and the authorities, rather than look to force connections to run their horse, should be asking themselves whether it is acceptable to run races with such a bias.
Heavy Metal is drawn 14 of 14 over five furlongs on Wednesday and I am wondering whether it is physically possible to win from that draw. Has it ever been done?
By:
jonjo
When: 22 May 12 08:29
Some good MJ rants there, but he really ought to have told us what Sally Bethell served up for dinner.......

Agree with him on the other stuff though, Doncaster a sick joke watering.
By:
theres only one best tonic
When: 22 May 12 09:01
will the mad irishman at goodwood be turning on the taps for this weeks fixture now that its dried out to good and the warm weather has arrived
By:
zilzal1
When: 24 May 12 11:25
Would love to know why Newbury consider it worthy to water for this weekends meeting on a going stick reading of 7.5, its only been a week since the Lockinge and the ground seemed soft enough then

Goodwood as usual will water when it even gets near a stick reading of 8??


Silly season is approachingPlain
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 26 May 12 09:21
11.5 at Haydock today
By:
adamski
When: 29 May 12 06:02
Rupert Trevelyan, Epsom supremo said this morning they are watering every day with the intention of having good to soft for the Derby meeting.
Wonder if Andrew Cooper agrees with him?
By:
Outpost
When: 29 May 12 13:55
remember when john oxx threatened to withdraw sea the stars anytime the going was too soft and CoCs everywhere suddenly stopped watering and prayed that they got no more rain on top of the overwatered slosh that they had been working towards.
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