Welsh National 27th December.

quotes are actually on this thread DD ..

Looks like both the price wise selections have fallen by the way side .. Wymott ran a shocker at Haydock on Saturday and was pulled-up ...  Master Overseer was a bitter disappointment lto at Chepstow when 7/2 Fav .. though he may still run

placed both bets saturday morning sint, 10's remained at the t0te/betfred and b0ylesports, tote cut it to 7,s around midday...

good stuff. Think most firms cut him after Wymott flopped in the afternoon.

would have been surprised if wymott would have gone to chepstow anyway even if he had run well on saturday. what with there being only 10 days between races.

Yep. I was surprised he was price wise tbh given the record of Henessy runners in the race.

owe you one, he along with sync was my early choice (see thread beginning) untill you said hennessy runners had a shocking record still think he will go to ireland and mccoy will ride galaxy rock.

donald even said the other day the tommy w. was fonna be wymotts 1st choice....

giles & viking as per the big race fred....and blazing baileys my big price fancy....

he's does seem a bit high in the h/cap but still a £1 below his hurdle mark....

i can see him relishing this type of race....and still only 9 jumps races to his name,3 wins 1 2nd & 2 3rds.

has won off of 146...so perhaps that 149....is not such a mountain...

What's the safety limit for this race please?  Is it likely to be applied?

Cheers Sint.

Mixture of old age and laziness on my part!

Chicago Grey has just completed his last bit of work before Welsh National-v happy with him and champion p2p rider, Derek OConnor rides him.

Elliott must mean business if he's booking Derek O'Connor.

Safety limit is 20.

What is your opinion on last one in? Think it will go lower than most people anticipate, possibly even as low as Le Beau Bai.

Galaxy Rock - big chance imo.12/1 still available

Hey Big Spender (IRE)    8       11 7
Synchronised (IRE)    8       11 6
Carruthers (GB)    8       11 3
Chicago Grey (IRE)    8       11 1
Blazing Bailey (GB)    9       11 0
Cappa Bleu (IRE)    9       10 12
Mon Mome (FR)    11       10 12
Galaxy Rock (IRE)    7       10 11
Viking Blond (FR)    6       10 4
Neptune Equester (GB)    8       10 3
Giles Cross (IRE)    9       10 1
Or Noir de Somoza (FR)    9       10 1
As de Fer (FR)    5       10 0
Any Currency (IRE)    8       9 12
Knighton Combe (GB)    11       9 11
Indifference Curve (FR)    9       9 9
Master Overseer (IRE)    8       9 9
Mumbles Head (IRE)    10       9 8
Ballyfitz (GB)    11       9 8
Our Island (IRE)    6       9 7
Sona Sasta (IRE)    8       9 7
Alderluck (IRE)    8       9 7
Cannington Brook (IRE)    7       9 7
Heathcliff (IRE)    9       9 6
Le Beau Bai (FR)    8       9 6
Bench Warrent (IRE)    8       9 6
Lochan Lacha (IRE)    10       9 4
Mid Div And Creep (GB)    11       9 3
Ballyfoy (IRE)    10       9 1
Mark The Book (IRE)    10       9 0
Incentivise (IRE)    8       9 0
Nine de Sivola (FR)    10       8 13
Victory Gunner (IRE)    13       8 10

Denis O'regans lowest riding weight in the last 12 months is 10st4. GC is due to carry 10st1. So denis will either put up overweight or wont be having any Turkey over christmas!

thats wrong sint what tt's posted...giles got 10.06...

and the order is wrong aswell

Is it

Thats on sporting life site

diff on the racing post teets

Knew u was gettin me all worried over nuffink dc

1     49P-41     Hey Big Spender31     8     11-12     Colin Tizzard         156     130     163
2     13-P73     Synchronised38     8     11-11     Jonjo O´Neill         155     154     168
3     649-31     Carruthers31     8     11-8     Mark Bradstock     Mattie Batchelor     152     155     163
4     18-U37     Chicago Grey45     8     11-6     Gordon Elliott         150     113     163
5     119P-8     Blazing Bailey31     9     11-5     Alan King     Wayne Hutchinson     149     151     165
6     3F2P/1     Cappa Bleu38     9     11-3     Evan Williams     Paul Moloney     147     142     162
7     463F/5     Mon Mome10     11     11-3     Venetia Williams         147     —     —
8     141-31     Galaxy Rock45     7     11-2     Jonjo O´Neill         146     137     165
9     70-143     Viking Blond33     6     10-9     Nigel Twiston-Davies         139     144     165
10     9113-1     As De Fer29 4x     5     10-9     Anthony Honeyball     Sam Thomas     139     114     174
11     230-31     Neptune Equester38     8     10-8     Brian Ellison         138     136     160
12     P22-1     Giles Cross44     9     10-6     Victor Dartnall     Denis O'Regan     136     153     165
13     F-0979     Or Noir De Somoza32     9     10-6     David Pipe         136     51     154
14     4/32-3     Any Currency24     8     10-3     Martin Keighley         133     80     164
15     3-2714     Knighton Combe36     11     10-2     Jamie Snowden         132     134     161
16     622-31     Cannington Brook10 4x     7     10-2     Colin Tizzard         132     156     164
17     P-0P71     Le Beau Bai24 4x     8     10-1     Richard Lee         131     160     165
18     9-0223     Indifference Curve51     9     10-0     Miss Margaret M O´Sullivan         130     141     161
19     1/2-16     Master Overseer24     8     10-0     David Pipe         130     155     164
20     33/F-P     Mumbles Head66     10     9-13     Peter Bowen         129     —     —
21     22P-2U     Ballyfitz23     11     9-13     Nigel Twiston-Davies         129     161     165
22     7-4292     Our Island10     6     9-12     Tim Vaughan         128     157     159
23     116-2     Sona Sasta24     8     9-12     David Pipe         128     151     162
24     213-75     Alderluck24     8     9-12     Nick Gifford         128     155     163
25     3724-7     Heathcliff51     9     9-11     Richard Lee         127     —     —
26     33P-57     Bench Warrent10     8     9-11     Charlie Mann     Noel Fehily     127     155     164
27     03-U5     Lochan Lacha24     10     9-9     A J Martin         125     —     —
28     2112-1     Mid Div And Creep237     11     9-8     Lawney Hill         124     —     —
29     584P-6     Ballyfoy44     10     9-6     Gary Moore         122     147     152
30     1PP2/P     Mark The Book10     10     9-5     Ben Case         121     —     —
31     2P-464     Incentivise13     8     9-5     Richard Lee         121     149     157
32     P/2-6P     Nine De Sivola23     10     9-4     Ferdy Murphy         120     106     146
33     V16-1P     Victory Gunner24     13     9-1     Richard Lee         117     142     150

giles defo on 10.06....and le beau defo should be above bally

RP never wrong iyo?

He had me convinced LBB wad nt gonna get in trev, a chancer innhe

fookin menace bjg

never known him to be wrong tbf

must be the pressure of running his own forum

fbodc imo

I must have stepped into a time-warp.

Viking Blond for me and Cannington Brook will be of interest if Tizzard lets him take his chance

I know LBB is the stables number 1 chance but what about Heathcliff at 66-1 now so many have come out. I know hes been running over hurdles of late but he goes well here in the mud and in his short chase career he would have split Synchronised and Giles Cross in a novice chase having not fallen at the last. He till needs a few to come out and has obviously not shown as much appetite for fences as hurdles but he also ticks alot of boxes, the likely slow pace will suit his jumping and given where the other two finished in last seasons renewal haas to have a good e/w chance at big odds.

DD

hows you fella

Very good thank you Trev.

Betting wise I had been winding down over the last couple of years, too hard getting on and with the usual responsibilities I didn't feel comfortable risking largeish sums when work etc could go tits up at any time. Having said that one major firm must have missed me badly, my account was re-activated and for the last few months I have been able to get on pretty much what I liked! Not making much of a profit though, that never changes.

Best wishes to you and your family.

TT you phcuking Oik !!

Nevermind, im glad it is wrong as no worries about Mad Dennis making the weight now.

it was on de sporting life site


O'Neill: Lexus more likely for Synchronised

BY LEE MOTTERSHEAD 6:35PM 21 DEC 2011

SYNCHRONISED, favourite with all firms to complete back-to-back victories in Tuesday's Coral Welsh National, seems likely to miss the race after trainer Jonjo O'Neill revealed that the following day's Lexus Chase at Leopardstown has become his staying star's preferred target.


Connections of Synchronised have long earmarked a repeat bid but the lure of a Grade 1 prize and a reluctance to force the eight-year-old to concede lumps of weight all round have caused a change of mind.
Assuming ground conditions remain testing at Leopardstown - where conditions were on Wednesday described as soft - Synchronised is likely to tackle the Lexus, for which he can be backed at 20-1 with ****.The sponsors, like most firms, have the JP McManus-owned chaser at 6-1 for the Welsh National.

O'Neill said on Wednesday: "I honestly don't know for sure yet which one he'll go for but I'd say that Leopardstown is the favourite. If the ground is testing enough in Ireland I think he will definitely end up there."




The leading Irish-trained contenders for the 3m event are Rubi Light and Joncol, separated by five lengths when first and second respectively in the Grade 1 John Durkan Memorial Chase at Punchestown this month, and Quito De La Roque, who extended his winning sequence to five straight wins when taking the Grade 1 JNwine.com Champion Chase at Down Royal last month.

The other acceptors are RSA Chase winner Bostons Angel, Roi Du Mee, Magnanimity, China Rock, Follow The Plan, Roberto Goldback , Cooldine and The Midnight Club.

Chepstow on Wednesday dried out a little to heavy, soft in places, which might not be ideal for O'Neill's other acceptor Galaxy Rock, one of 33 horses left in the track's most prestigious race, which is also the highlight of the BBC's only televised jumps fixture outside the John Smith's Grand National meeting.

Proven in mud is the Mark Bradstock-trained Hennessy Gold Cup hero Carruthers, who worked well under big-race jockey Mattie Batchelor on Tuesday.

The rider told At The Races: "I said to Mark he looks better than he did before Newbury. That is probably a brave statement because he won a Hennessy, but he felt in good nick."

cheers DD,

would be nice to get sync out the way

race looks like cutting up trev. not even sure there will be 16 runners.

trev's spending more time on here than mine f f s

True Sint good news for Giles Cross hopefully, gone in again at 8s

added any currency at 20-1 after a positive update from martin kieghley on his website today
giles cross 10's
ballyfitz   25's
any currency 20's

hope all get ther now, be lucky

About time Jonjo filled us in.  Le Beau Bai is the one to back. On a much lower mark than 2 years ago when 3rd and with everything in his favour, 14's is going to look very big when Synchronised comes out.

3m on soft-yielding ground as opposed to 3m5f on soft-heavy ground and Jonjo is saying that Synchronised is gonna run at Leopardstown. Not a hope in hell if you ask me against the likes of Quito De La Roque and Rubi Light. The further this horse goes, the better he is and thats makes the Welsh National the only race for this fella at Christmas. Would be very surprised if he went for the Lexus. The forcast over here in Ireland by the way is for a very mild week.

Could someone tell me when the final decs for the race will be published? Thank you

To me the really interesting one is Cannington Brook (available at 24 here), with the bookies the remaining 20/1 is now disappearing.

He is far too long a price.

Main reasons for the selection:
progressing well
looks like a very dour stayer to me (almost exactly the sort of plodder you need for this test)
should appreciate the step up in trip from the inadequate 3 miles last time when winning in a desperate bog at Haydock
first time over a long trip may bring about further improvement

Just a thought for you all.

He is not going to run Cry, hope you've not backed it.

is that right sint i have bet viking blond but do give cannington a chance i had nice lift off him last week i agree with cry he is improving fast

is that right sint i have bet viking blond but do give cannington a chance i had nice lift off him last week i agree with cry he is improving fast

is that right sint i have bet viking blond but do give cannington a chance i had nice lift off him last week i agree with cry he is improving fast

Warwick race (used to be Brooke Bond national, god knows what its called now) in January was the reported aim for Cannington after his last win. Can't completely rule him out of running at Chepstow but its a big ask for any horse with so little time to recover from that Haydock slog.

yes i agree but he did do it easily and with only a 4lb penalty i thought they may be tempted saying that they  do have hey big spender it probably would be wise to wait for warwick albeit with a higher mark

Agree re Cannington Brook. If the Haydock race had been 3-4 weeks ago with Welsh National the aim, then it would be a hell of a bet. Cannot see it running personally and if it is declared, I think that run will have left its mark.

FWIW, I believe what JJ said about Synchronised makes it more likely he will appear at Chepstow. He puts in the caveat of the ground and at the moment it is only soft at Leopardstown and from what I can see not significant rain forecast. Obviously if he does turn up he is a threat to all and much as Giles Cross is an admirable horse, I don't see any reason why he will turn tables from last year on only a 1lb better terms.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, had a small play on As de Fer at 20s, not quick enough off the block after its Ffos Las run to get the fancy prices, but is now too short.

Have also played Cappa Bleu as I think he could just be a better horse than his rating though have to be wary of the 'bounce'factor.

But now the 5 day decs have made a huge difference to the complexion of the race and I am really drawn to Le Beau Bai for all the reasons mentioned previously, and for the fact that he can race of his true mark. 14s more than fair though this has now nearly all gone.

All of the above e/w.

Good luck all

They'd be mad to run Cannington just 2 weeks after running 3 miles on Heavy at Haydock imo. Another 3.6 miles on similarly testing ground will take some getting and therefore preparation is everything.

either leau beau has improved greatly or that last race has to be treated with caution,i,m a fan and was on but he was in the 1st 2 throughout never been knon and never looked like getting outpaced . which he has done in every other race,surely cant lie up in better class

Le Beau Bai's chances rest on ground...has to be heavy preferably with 'unraceable in places'.

If its 50-50 on Boxing Day that racing will go ahead I might have a few quid :)

1st time poster, The blinkers he wore last time helped to sharpen him up.
Hopefully they'll be on again.

all the 13 & 14s on here for Synchronized hoovered up this morning runner in the WGN ?

Does anyone know the latest on Master Overseer please?

Denis O'Regan feels Giles Cross has every chance of going one better than last season in the Coral Welsh National at Chepstow on December 27.

Victor Dartnall's stayer only found Synchronised too good in the rearranged race in January, and returns for a second attempt on the back of a successful seasonal reappearance at Fontwell six weeks ago.

"He's very tough, he's all heart and a very genuine horse," O'Regan told At The Races.

"He was a bit unlucky last year when he ran into a few decent horses like Synchronised in the Welsh National and Companero in the Eider Chase.

"I think the biggest thing in the last couple of years was he hadn't been winning first time out but he did this season at Fontwell.

"We were really pleased with that. He hit the ground running and he deserved to get his head in front.

"If he hadn't won you'd have been thinking he's always going to finish second. He's one of those horses that I can't believe how he keeps pulling out those performances.

"He's got a lovely racing weight, you couldn't ask for better one in a Welsh National. He'll love the conditions, he'll love the track and he's been trained for the race.

"That's been well-documented and I'm really looking forward to the ride."

O'Regan was aboard stablemate Exmoor Ranger in the marathon last winter while Harry Skelton partnered Giles Cross.

"For some reason we didn't go that fast in the race last year. A lot of horses seemed to be travelling well turning for home," O'Regan recalled.

"He has got a bit of speed as well and has a touch of class which is what you need for one of these big staying races."

Someone had just laid Galaxy Rock to place at 34 for £19. I hope it was a **** up !

moscowmills, master overseer runs according to DP in the RP today.

Thanks Fugazi.

Surprising that he is so weak on here if he is an intended runner, particularly in view of the fact that he creeps in off 10 stone despite failing to get the penalty he was presumably aimed at LTO. If there is a valid excuse for the last run and in view of his previous profile I would have expected him to be stronger. Nothing lined up to back as I post this so be careful.

I am hopeful for Cnnington. His price on here has fallen and only 2 bookies are standing him at 20's.

any firm decision bern made re Synchronised participation ?

Maybe they have changed their minds on Cannington then Cry ..

No news on Synch

Gordon Elliot has just tweeted Chicago Grey wont be running due to bad weather and thus cant travel on the ferry..

there are a whole bunch you could fancy

at this stage I am interested in:

Sona Sasta found 3 miles too short on seasonal debut, will love the going and the trip, might not get a run

Le Beau Bai beat Sona Sasta so he is shortlisted but the penalty is off putting

there are a few others but need to see final decs

I'm sure I've read that Sona Sasta is already stabled up in Ireland to run in the Paddy Power Hcap on same day.

Happy Christmas to all and good luck on the 27th :)

I'm sure I've read that Sona Sasta is already stabled up in Ireland to run in the Paddy Power Hcap on same day.

Happy Christmas to all and good luck on the 27th :)

Thanks for the Kwon Rod!

Shame, I thought he was a perfect fit. Must be because of Master Overseer (who I also like a lot) having been laid out.

Will look again Boxing Day

Happy Xmas

If Chicago Grey cant travel to Chepstow, then surely Synchronised cant travel to Leopardstown. And the ground st Leop isn't going to be as bad as some may have thought - soft ground at the worst. Surely that means Synchronised will be back at Chepstow to defend his crown....

No surprise there then. Jonjo at it yet again!

ANY CURRENCY?

Synchrosnised goes for the Lexus Chase.

Good news Sint for us Giles Cross backers!

I wasn't particularly worried about his participation tbh steve. It is very hard to win nationals off 155 and GC is a different horse this year, hence why I backed him in November!

fingers crossed.

Hopefully Jonjo will share his knowledge of ferry crossings with Gordon Elliott.

sint...i,m still fookin happy to hear that.....opens up the places behind giles

decs now in...and including Cannington Brook (chance also increased a few pounds by O'Brien riding!)

Fair point Trev, wasn't thinking about who may fill the places And I also have Any Currency at 25/1 (posted on here) so hope your right.

Le Beau Bai has to go close off 131 here, placed 2 years ago off 143 or something. Ran a good race to beat Sona Sasta, loves the mud and has 10 stone 1lb. Maximum each way bet for me at 10/1

^ Agree. Seems to tick every box.

Blazing Bailey has a touch of class , had a pipe opener in the Hennessy, t/j won it in 2006

Checking in for the LBB gravy train.

I like the top two despite the fact that they have plenty of weight on heavy ground.

Tizzard has had race in mind for HBS for some time and states he is big horse tailor made for carrying weight in handicaps - though there is a school of thought that he prefers smaller fields.

Anyway trend developing towards the higher rated types in this race so I will split stakes between Hey Big Spender and the admirable Carruthers.

the going is set to be very testing indeed

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/chepstow-leopardstown-limerick-chepstow-leopardstown-welsh-national-to-be-run-in-testing-conditions/967651/top/

GC does not seem particularly strong on here .. but then nor was Raya Star who drifted 4pts in 24hrs.

Viking Blond the definate big mover, very strong support on here.

I thought that everything went right for GC last year, he got a very comfortable passage in front and jumped very well.He won,t get it easy in front today. I backed him last year and though he could run well again i think he will be found out in the closing stages.

Any Currency for me.

i love it when a plan comes together.... lovely stuff.

That'll do nicely.  Great ride from Charlie Poste.

Kabooom

wd beaus

giles 2nd again

well done, winners.

Heartbreaking stuff, but cant fault GC's effort.

well done rease,Judo,Born and other LBB backers

thanks, Sint but I was on Carruthers and HBS

Some good calls on here for both the first and second though.

yep well done winners, i,m a serial backer of the horse and backed him last time at big odds,but deserted him todays seems the headgear has helped him lay up,doesnt seem to get outpaced anymore in the middle of the race

Price wise had 3 darts at this and none made the frame

Giles Cross ran cracker Sint, couldnt ask for anymore.
Well done winners.

yep, we certainly got a run for our cash. Hope he wins a big race at some stage.

sintonian     27 Dec 11 18:49 
Price wise had 3 darts at this and none made the frame


Has this happened before ??!!

Deserved compensation. Well done Victor Dartnall.