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By:
sintonian
When: 28 Nov 11 22:00
Currently it is an ante-psot market with 11 entered runners, so three places are available. Come Saturday it may well be 2, though.

I am going to hold fire at the moment anyway. It is an obvious thing to say but any of the front 4 can win this race, for a variety of reasons.
By:
alexmillwall
When: 29 Nov 11 09:23
Gone off FR and tataniano now- they dont have the form to beat SE.... the one true grade 1 horse in the race
By:
Albion Dan
When: 29 Nov 11 11:56
Delighted they are finally running Wishfull Thinking over 2 miles. The worry is the jostle for the lead but I am hoping the others allow him it thinking they will pick him off for speed late on. If he does get in front his jumping could get them all at it in behind.
By:
turnip turns
When: 29 Nov 11 13:44
racing_post Racing Post
Finian's Rainbow, as short as 11-4 for the Tingle Creek, misses Sandown's Saturday feature
By:
sintonian
When: 29 Nov 11 13:54
Cry
By:
Albion Dan
When: 29 Nov 11 13:54
Finian's out. Splendid news.
By:
sintonian
When: 29 Nov 11 13:57
What ? Why do you say that ffs!
By:
Mr Eboue
When: 29 Nov 11 13:58
Think he was being sarcastic.
By:
turnip turns
When: 29 Nov 11 14:01
CheltFestNews CheltFestNews
Finian's Rainbow to bypass Tingle Creek for Desert Orchid Chase at Kempton over Xmas. Not ready in time according to Henderson.Crazy
By:
sintonian
When: 29 Nov 11 14:01
I dont.

I guess Albion Dan has backed WT. Still, it does rob us of some of the lustre for the race. Thankfully FR is not injured, he is just not ready.
By:
Dark Destroyer
When: 29 Nov 11 14:06
So on Tuesday lunchtime he's not going to be ready in time. You'd think this might have influenced the decision to declare him just over 24 hours earlie. Gotta love some of these trainers  Laugh
By:
Albion Dan
When: 29 Nov 11 14:08
Sorry sint, wasn't to wind you up. As a WT backer very happy as not only one of the main threats is out, but the horse that was most likely to challenge him for the lead.
By:
sintonian
When: 29 Nov 11 14:10
I understand where your coming from Dan. Just a shame he is not running imo.

I wonder if they have just bottled it tbh for an easier assignment as TT says. It is his seasonal debut afterall.
By:
Albion Dan
When: 29 Nov 11 14:36
Yeah I think they have bottled it. For me he would be the one that paid most for a struggle for the lead. His jumping went to pieces at Newbury when they tried holding him up. I think the presence of 3 other prominent runners probably swayed them to miss it.
By:
sintonian
When: 29 Nov 11 14:50
yep good point.

I suspect SE will settle just off the pace with the other two contesting it.
By:
Albion Dan
When: 29 Nov 11 15:21
Not a fan of Tataniano tbh. Think the race he won last time was utter dross as I rate Woolcombe Folly even less...
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Nov 11 17:09
The race would have been a darn sight more interesting with FR,and i for one am gutted hes out,seeing as i am going on Saturday and want to see the best possible race.We all want to win our bets but not if it means the race gets diluted to achieve that.
Dont you agree AD??
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Nov 11 17:13
Doubt hes bottled it myself,they have to make a decision some time and dont see anything wrong with deciding today.
Maybe today was his last bit of work and it did not go as they wanted.
By:
Hanbury
When: 29 Nov 11 17:28
i agree bud.

its always better to see all the best horses run. especially over 2 miles.

I think FR just wasnt right, and unfortunately they have done the right thing for the horse.

The Tingle will still make us tingle!.
By:
Hanbury
When: 29 Nov 11 17:30
The closer the day an the more Im feeling a sizing victory.

With Tataniano for the forecast!
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Nov 11 17:36
If SE turns up anywhere near the form he was in march then we will tingle alright!!
I would have Gauvain in front of Tatanaino.
By:
Hanbury
When: 29 Nov 11 17:42
Gauvain is classy. I can see why you like him.
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Nov 11 17:50
Hes in form,and on form with W Folly he beats Tataniano.
Hes not trained by Nicholls though!!
By:
thehoffisback
When: 29 Nov 11 17:52
Rain forecast, stone set to go
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Nov 11 17:54
Potential fly in the ointment??
By:
thehoffisback
When: 29 Nov 11 18:00
oh yeahGrin
By:
Albion Dan
When: 29 Nov 11 18:03
I do sort of agree Budd, however Finian's not going is massive for WT imo. If I had to choose one to be a NR it would have been him.
By:
sintonian
When: 29 Nov 11 18:18
Im quite tempted to have an eachway play on WT now that FR is missing. He was my initial inkling at the prices but decided against it due to the possibility of all 4 main contenders looking potential winners. Now that FR is out, i'd be surprised if WT is out of the first three, 4/1 fair enough even at 1/5 the odds, may only be 7 runners by Saturday.
By:
sintonian
When: 29 Nov 11 18:32
OK, chanced a back on WT eachway. He has an unsual profile for this race in that he has never won a graded chase over 2 miles, but given he is a front runner and doesn't seem to lack speed, this race may just suit him. I seem to recall Hobbs using the words ''stepping stone'' prior to his PP run aswell!

I just hope he can jump around Sandown, which is always a tough test.
By:
sintonian
When: 29 Nov 11 18:36
Am a big fan on Tataniano, included him in my TTF list last year and this year! But the form of his races doesn't stack up for me.

Btw, for anyone who is backing him, I just read a quote from PN in OJA 2010 where he says '' He does jump and he'd be some horse around Sandown''. This was after his Maghull Novices win 18 months, so clearly PN has always thought of this horse as potentially top class.
By:
grade 1
When: 29 Nov 11 19:47
Agree with view that NJH is bottling it with Finians. Also looks like he wont run Sprinter Sacre on Saturday either despite entering him for G1 novice. He is obviously a brillant trainer of hurdlers but his chasers dont seem to have same careers at all. Might be wrong perception but do a lot seem to get wrapped up in cotton wool as novices then fade away ?
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Nov 11 20:01
what makes you think he wont run SS on saturday?
By:
turnip turns
When: 29 Nov 11 21:44
No horses were permitted to travel on the Rosslare to Fishguard ferry, while the Dublin to Holyhead service was cancelled.


Henry de Bromhead, Irish racehorse trainer, sizing up travel options for Sandown raider

Many Irish-based horses, and their concerned trainers and lads, have crossed the Irish Sea in winter to take up engagements at major race meetings in Britain. Most have arrived safe and sound, but, if you listen to Henry de Bromhead, trainer of Saturday’s Tingle Creek Chase favourite Sizing Europe, you can take nothing for granted.

By J A McGrath telegraph.co.uk

On Tuesday, no horses were permitted to travel on the Rosslare to Fishguard ferry, while the Dublin to Holyhead service was cancelled. Inclement weather, and the resultant rough seas, have made the shipping of star racehorses a precarious business. “It’s a worry, of course it is,” De Bromhead said on Tuesday night.


“We are booked to sail in the morning [Wednesday], and with a bit of luck, we’ll be OK. But, if they don’t permit us to take the horses on board, we will have to wait for another ferry in the afternoon. We are hoping that the horses will arrive at Sandown and settle in later the same day,” he explained.


The trainer is bringing the talented novice hurdler Sizing Symphony, who runs in Friday’s Neptune Investment Novices’ Hurdle at Sandown, as company for Sizing Europe, the reigning champion two-mile chaser. “I like my horses to have one full day in a new place before they race, which we should be able to do with Sizing Europe. On the other hand, ‘Symphony’ will be running the next day [after arrival],” he pointed out.


Meanwhile, De Bromhead was surprised to hear news that Finian’s Rainbow, the 3-1 second favourite for the Tingle Creek, is now to miss the race.


Trainer Nicky Henderson said: “He’s just not quite ready, and we might wait for the Desert Orchid [Chase] at Kempton.”


This has prompted a reshuffle at the top of the market, with Sizing Europe firming to 6-4 with leading firms, while the Paul Nicholls-trained Tataniano has come in to 3-1.

For a rival trainer, De Bromhead’s reaction was predictable. “It all helps, though I just have to get there,” he said. “Sizing Europe had a hard race at Down Royal but he seems to have come out of it well, and we’re hoping he runs well. He seems great in himself.”

Sizing Europe is also the 4-1 ante-post favourite to retain his crown in the Queen Mother Champion Chase at Cheltenham in March, though bookmakers have Big Zeb challenging him at the head of the market
By:
grade 1
When: 29 Nov 11 21:59
Bud..

The pair could also be joined by Eradicate, a winner at Doncaster last Friday and Henderson said: "'We've got Sprinter Sacre and Eradicate in the race but I'm not certain to run Sprinter Sacre as I'm not sure he's quite ready.

"He is entered at Warwick on Sunday as well but I want to run El Mondo in that."
By:
Masterminded
When: 29 Nov 11 23:24
Fcuking hell Nicky the season has started mate. About time you started getting a few ready.
Shame that Finians Rainbow is out because as a spectacle he was the most exciting addition to the race. WT wouldn't live with him up front. There aren't many 2 milers I can think of that can let alone a horse trying 2 miles for the first time. I would be with Sizing now or possibly Kauto Stone if it does rain. Tataniano looks a touch soft to me although he's a fantastic jumper. Guavain also looks to have his beating on all known form.
By:
Masterminded
When: 29 Nov 11 23:31
Have to be honest I know he's going for the KG as no1 plan but surprised Master Minded isn't running in this. I would give him a big chance.
By:
buddeliea
When: 30 Nov 11 07:41
Cheers G1,have seen that now.Really hope he does run Saturday,but like you i fear he will run at Warwick.
By:
buddeliea
When: 30 Nov 11 07:44
MM,you wont see your mate in a 2m race anymore, it seems they think he cant muck it at that distance anymore.2and half m looks his distance now.
By:
grade 1
When: 30 Nov 11 10:11
Geraghty will surely be at Fairyhouse on Sunday so I cant see Sprinter Sacre at Warwick either unless AP will be free to ride.

Last year Finian's had two spins at Newbury in 3 runner races and 1 at Warwick in a 4 runner race before the Arkle. I suppose the NJH strategy - if thats what it is - leaves his horses fresh enough for Aintree and maybe Punchestown.
By:
sintonian
When: 30 Nov 11 10:18
The majority of Novice races are small fields. You rarely get more than 8 runners these days unless it is a handicap or a race at one of the Festivals.

The 4 runner race at Warwick also happened to be a Grade 2.
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