Prix Rothschild

I think she might struggle to beat Goldikova on her own turf however it makes perfect sense going in each way at 7's here.

Key for me is they are now running Timepiece at her best trip, 4 from 5 at the distance and only defeat was on her debut albeit in minor company prior to the Falmouth. Stable in excellent form currently so hopefully the 8 runners go to post and as you say an e/w bet to nothing.

Apieceofcake

No, I wouldn't back Timepiece to beat CC, as I've said, even if Goldikova only repeats that form she should win here. I'm confident though that the Queen Anne was some way below her very best and when a horse starts to decline you just can't be sure how they're going to run. She's obviously the most likely winner and as a fan of hers it would be good to see, but I won't be crying too much about missing out on the price.

Don't back shorties either fig and see your point of view but I think all being well, the rest of the field are running for 2nd place.

Best of luck though

Why is Goldikova labelled a "6yo" as if she's some sort of geriatric?

She achieved an official rating of 124 in the Queen Anne (2lb overweight) which puts her joint 8th in the latest World Thoroughbred Rankings table. Not bad for a horse in decline and, as pointed out in a thoroughly readable preview of the Rothschild in the RP, her best rating since winning the Jaques le Marois in 2009.

It's Deauville. She should be in peak condition seeing as she'll be back here in 2 weeks for the Jacques le Marois. Freddy says he thinks she's as well as ever.

Sahpresa (slammed by Goldi in this event in 2009 and whose trainer thinks Queally stole the Falmouth on Timepiece) to follow the great mare home imo.

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/horse_home_popup.sd?horse_id=688825#topHorseTabs=horse_stories&bottomHorseTabs=horse_form

Figgs,i think you must be totally crazy to think that Goldikova is on the decline after what she has produced already on 2 runs this season,you seem to be basing it on the fact that you believe her effort was below par at royal ascot,when infact she ran to a figure of 125 at ascot last time out and that was her best raiting since winning the Jacques Le Marois at deauville in 2009,you also seem to really underestimate Canford Cliffs which may be another reason why your judgement is clouded.


4/7 is a huge price and should be mopped up,she has lost non of her sparkle and is as good as ever,as has been quoted many times by trainer F.Head this season.
on her first start of this season she beat a race fit Cirrus Des Aigles over a trip that is not ideal for her and she did it very very easily and he is no mug having easily won 2 group races since (giving weight away both times) and he also pushed sarafina all the way to a neck loss in the grand prix de paris,

F.Head says that she is flying at home and as good as ever and todays conditions will be perfect for her on a track she loves,apart from Zarkava she has never been beaten by her own sex and it wont happen again today

There is not even a need to mention the opposition today as we know for a fact that Goldi will run to her form and we know for a fact that non of them have or will never have the ability to match that,

another thing that i keep hearing from you and others is that because horses are reaching the age of 6 and later that they must be past there best,i dont know how much hands on experience that you have with horses,but at the ages of 6,7 and 8 they are at the peak of there physical strength,the only reason that most flat horses are retired around the age of 3 and 4 is because they have served there purpose in stud value and cashed in,nothing to do with collecting there bus pass and pension,a perfect example of that is Hurricane Fly,he is a flat bread and is a 7 year old and has just had as good a season as he has ever had and retains all his ability.

The only possible way she can be beaten is if one of the trainers of the opposition managed to sneak into Henry Cecils yard last night with a syringe,took a sample from Frankel and injected his blood and genes into his own horse

TFM

I base my opinion on, amongst other factors, my interpretation of race times, which can be just as wrong as anybody's interpretation of form including the official handicapper and the trainer, however, it's served me quite well over the years. I usually find that most people who stick to official ratings can't see any further than the short priced favourites.

I do admire backers who have a strong opinion and stick to it, but in your case every week you seem to declare "certainty" about some obvious favourite or other, a few of which have been well beaten recently. At the same time you've confidently dismissed some decent priced winners.

Goldikova might well scoot in this afternoon, but I would argue that a winner at any price is not necessarily a great bet. If somebody offers me 10/11 on the toss of a coin and I correctly call heads, it doesn't mean it was a good bet. This is of course stating the bleedin' obvious but it appears that a few on here fail to grasp it.

Finally, I can't help but be cynical when backers appear to place so much significance in the result of a single race, unless it's the kind of winner that can significantly change a whole season's profit (I find it hard to believe that would be the case at Goldikova's price today). Good luck.

I back horses purely on visual impression and form,

I take little notice of ratings,times,figures,stats,handicappers and trainers opinions

As for the kind of winner that can significantly change a whole season's profit,4/7 in this case,well i guess that all depends on what kind of stakes you are playing with,

It is very rare in racing that you can place your bet,sit back and watch the race knowing exactly what the outcome is going to be,but today with Goldikova is one of those bets

GL to you also

If a Big stakes punter was having just 1 bet all season on Goldikova at 4/7 today then his season would be in profit

probably the last victory of her career.

If Sahpresa was ridden more prominently, perhaps where Timepiece was position, I reckon she could have won that.

queally shouldve been more aggressive on TP....going so easy and letting goldi get a free ride and a head start in the sprint was suicidal. Guess they must know they had no chance of beating her and just wanted another g1 placing.

i have to laugh at that sintonian,as when me and the rest of the Sahpresa backers in the Falmouth were saying the exact same thing and how horribley unlucky she was,you were one of the few who stated that she was not an unlucky loser and that Timepiece was the better horse

TFM, thats because the ground was different, and I stated BEFORE the race today ground is Key to Timepiece performing at her best. Her sibling Passage of Time was best with cut.

"i have to laugh at that sintonian,as when me and the rest of the Sahpresa backers in the Falmouth were saying the exact same thing and how horribley unlucky she was,you were one of the few who stated that she was not an unlucky loser and that Timepiece was the better horse"



He does it all the time.

Immortal Verse isn't good enough to give Goldikova a real battle. She was flattered by the 2 length winning margin in the Coronation Stakes because she got the breaks and Nova Hawk didn't.

If Canford Cliffs scopes ok it's the perfect race for him to get back into the groove and Mutual Trust has to have the best credentials for a 3yo to defeat her. Whatever happens, her presence at the Breeders Cup should scare off any European competition so she'll be going there with a live chance. Then there's the Prix Foy, etc.

probably the last victory of her career. - is just a bitter, ignorant comment that would have been better left unsaid.

After Frankel and Canford she's still the best miler in Europe by a long way - if the programme is Marois > Foret > BC Mile can see her winning all 3. Would fancy her to turn the tables on CC in the BC Mile too - it's a race she seems so suited to.

of course, I meant the Prix Foret and not the Prix Foy. It should be a good match between her and Strong Suit.

Figgis, yes I know, I was referring to the going at Newmarket lto being easier.

Good stuff [:D]

Now, I wonder what Graeme83 was babbling on about. I do hope he was not drunk (again).