John McCririck.

Did he not call it correctly??

Result is beside the point. Im talking about his comments as to why the horses was running and the suggestion john Warren,Sir Michael Stoute and Ryan Moore would run this horse even if he was not OK run simply because it was the Derby.

To quote David Elsworth on Racing UK '' McCririck talks b0llocks ''.

Did he not call it correctly??

no, he didn't - he was saying that CH could not win because of his supposed injury... quite clearly his finishing position and (lack of)luck in running suggest he could have won on another day - the training setback made absolutely no difference imo

MR Badger Wake up.Carlton house came 3rd!! Winner came from miles BEHIND CH and went past him with a great turn of foot.CH coudnt overhaul Treasure Beach and to my eyes did not look unlucky simply beaten by the winner who is a far superior horse.Winner aside I think this lot will turn out to be very average bunch.

what I meant teflon was that JM was saying the horse couldn't win because of its "injury" - I just don't think that it was that that stopped it from winning

On reflection I will agree with that view.Just think in time this lot winner aside will have turned out to be very ordinary!!

McCririck always discounts a horse if it had any kind of interrupted preparation.

Afternoon Sint ...hope you are well and backing winners.

Agree wholeheartedly with you on this one.Had a small AP bet on the Greyhound Derby (backed Barefoot Bullet E/W @ 50) and was delighted when he made the final last night.Cue stage left Big Mac to make the draw for the final.After ranting and raving for a couple of minutes (talking **** as normal) he starts telling everyone how great he is due to the fact that he's drawn the fav in trap 1.
Like most loudmouths his opinion is nearly always uneducated and ultimately wrong.

Afternoon Hemsby . In profit for the flat season so far but could do with some more winners.

Im all for strong opinions and being critical when needs be, but there has to be some kind of evidence behind it. You cant just make assumptions and then sound off about it. Bloke is an idiot.

sintonian.....you got that wrong Alice Plunkett actually turned up her nose at mac's message.....mac said the horse couldn't win....correct call.....connections didn't matter to him as the punters pal he called it right plunkett probably one of the biggest snobs ever on TV and thats some achievment.....leave mac alone.....i say

At least Mac let it be known he wasn't happy with Fred winning the tote, whilst interviewing Fred. He also isn't shy when it comes to laughing at prices and speaking his mind. Despite his age he is as sharp as anything. My opinion is that he's good for racing punditry. He's always been as mad as a nut, why should he change now ?

At least Mac let it be known he wasn't happy with Fred winning the tote


Oh really ? He was shouting his fat mouth off on ATR the other week saying how great it would be if Fagin got the Tote !

I must have interpreted his interview wrong.

He felt it was a series of factors that led him to believe the horse could not win and he was right.Interupted preparation, injury, draw and that he still had to prove that he was a top class animal on the formbook.Put his head on the chopping block and was proved right.

Give me Big Mac over Tanya and Tom? any day.

agree with the OP. Big Mac was talking utter sh*te regarding CH all weekend - he was even on the ITN News saying it could not win and was only running cos it's The Queen's horse. He is given far too much airtime to express his, mostly, obnoxious and way-off-the-mark opinions. Allowed to sit or stand there barking away like a mad Womble. He's a failed bookie and as abysmal a tipster as Tommo - in fact, I've never heard him recommend a winner bar Zafonic.

tbf he did tip slip anchor on derby day 1985

The people who have a problem with Big Mac are the same people who would have a brown nose if they joined the media. The same boring farts who get up at 8am to watch morning line to pick faults. Mac is a face for us who are not rich enough to love the illerati, or bookmakers. He is the man that those of us without waiters, shoe polishers or chummy executives can relate to. In a world of 'ism's', the worst example is ageism. Mac is probably the unisputed heavyweight(no pun intended) champion of punter to racing communication. It pisses me off not a little, as far as the racing world goes, that they cut his hours and replace him with bookie lapdogs.

You dont get it Graeme, and nor do one or two others on this thread.

The bloke was suggesting the connections of Carlton House were putting themselves and the occassion before the horse, before it's wellbeing, and they never really considered the horse might put in a poor performance due to the setback.

The fact the horse ran so well has proven what utter shoite he was talking. Connections clearly knew the horse had recovered and was ready to run. Big Mac was saying the horse should not even be running for goodness sake. He made a big assumption when he is not privvy to all the information. You have to leave the final decision with those who know what they are doing, like Sir Michael Stoute!

Does anyone hear think Carlton House should not have taken part like Big Mac did before the race ?

And you talking complete nonsense aswell Graeme. Your probably didn't even see the morning line on Saturday so to suggest anyone who disagrees with him is a brown nose is pretty ignorant.

Why do you think other trainer have even said the guy talking ''bolocks'' ?

Your doing exactly what Big Mac does, spouting nonsense with no evidence to back it up.

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The people who have a problem with Big Mac are the same people who would have a brown nose if they joined the media. The same boring farts who get up at 8am to watch morning line to pick faults. Mac is a face for us who are not rich enough to love the illerati, or bookmakers. He is the man that those of us without waiters, shoe polishers or chummy executives can relate to. In a world of 'ism's', the worst example is ageism. Mac is probably the unisputed heavyweight(no pun intended) champion of punter to racing communication. It pisses me off not a little, as far as the racing world goes, that they cut his hours and replace him with bookie lapdogs.

Biggest non-sensical outburst i've read on here for a while. That is right up there with Eric Morris.

You relate to Big Mac, really ?

People who dont get on with him or agree are ar5elickers and snobbs ?

Big Mac has opinions like everyone else, but it doesn't always make him right!

I expect anyone who was thinking of backing on Carlton House and did not do so because of what Mac was saying will be extremely grateful - the fact that what he was saying was not probably correct won't matter a jot to them.

I also watched the Greyhound Derby coverage on Saturday and he did act like an utter ****, but then those who got him involved knww that was going to be the case and clearly weren't bothered about it. He certainly works to the old adage that any publicity is good publicity (Big Brother for example), and his paymasters clearly agree.

When he can actually be bothered to stop acting up for the cameras (which is far too infrequently) he becomes one of the better journalists who does actually understand the politics of racing and asks difficult questions and disagrees with the status quo when needed to - unlike all the others who just kowtow along with it, doffing their caps to the racing glitterati, just so their little gravy train keeps on rolling.

He has built a profile for himself as the punter's friend and someone who questions the status quo but it is mostly for his own self-promotion. He is loud and contrary just for the sake of it and his own misogynistic and political views are appalling, the former, probably because he was b*ggered senseless at Harrow.
He made a fool of himself regarding Zenyatta as well.

Uncle, you make a very fair point about some punters having saved cash due to Big Mac putting people off. They wouldn't give a sh1t either way and were probably thankful at the end of the day.

However, it works both ways.. and McCririck should know better than to make assumptions and then spout off about it on TV. imo.

You've ruined many threads on here Sintonian, with stalking eric morris whilst he ran rings around you. For you to criticise me is laughable. At least i'm capable of forming my own opinion. If it wasn't for other peoples opinions on here, you wouldn't have one. Saamid is a prime example. Stick to throwing darts, and believing anything a trainer tells you. I had a few drinks when i made my posts with regards to Mac. I do still think he's one of the best pundits out there.

Oh.

yeah, i'll stick to throwing my darts, you stick to having a few bevvies then logging on. FFs.

btw, feel free to join us on the Real Money bets thread Graeme. See where your relentess cynicism gets you in the real world.

And I ask you again, do you think Carlton House should not have run like BIG MAC did ?

I've no interest in your personal egostistic competitions.

^ what a tool !

No worries Graeme. But it is not a Competiton, there is no prize at the end of it. Just a load of us trying to make real money by placing real bets.

I can't make 'real money' in a thread you refer to as 'the real world'. I only have monopoly money, and my life isn't plugged in to a wall.

Well we shall look out for you bets anyway Graeme.

As ever it was dreadful stuff from McCririck but nothing out of the ordinary for those who have seen him the last twenty years or so & watched his ego spiral out of control.
For some strange reason, the non-racing media see him as THE VOICE OF RACING & nothing , not one story can appear in the non-racing press without a quote from McRirick and it invariably leads to people outside the sport (who we are supposed to be trying to entice into the game) thinking we are all mysoginistic egomaniacs with extreme right wing political views? His laughable comments about wanting the whip banned in horseracing sum him up....
"We do not want animals hit in the name of sport, the world has moved on"
However, he is still a fervent supporter of fox hunting & hare coursing, where (forgive me if I am wrong) but animals are actually ripped to pieces in the name of 'sport' ?????
The Carlton House comments should see him charged with brining racing into disrepute, why would (as he clearly inferred) the Queen, the racing manager & the trainer, run a horse that was carrying injury in a tough race over such an exacting  course if it was not in condition to do itself justice & it DID do itself justice, but of course Mac 'fans' tend to be so thick they would think only a 5length win would mean the horse had run to form, rather than posted the best rating of it's life, which it actually did.......

great post jonjo - very well summed up

It is indeed.

"not one story can appear in the non-racing press without a quote from McRirick and it invariably leads to people outside the sport (who we are supposed to be trying to entice into the game) thinking we are all mysoginistic egomaniacs with extreme right wing political views?"


That's the biggest load of tosh.

seems a perfectly fair summary to me.

great post jonjo.

Im am with jomjo.

McCririck has, on occasions, stood up really hard for the punters. His campaigns about rip off starting prices isa good example. But he is in a position to do more of it.

Lets see what Channel 4 racing and McCrirrick does about publicising the fact that the tote, an organisation that was never rally owned by the government, has been removed from Racing and sold to a firm run by welshers who hide behind Gibraltar.

His rant about the chances of Carlton House was amazingly rash; only he would get away with it because it will be put down to "its just Big Mac sounding off again...". if anyone else had said what he did on the TV, implying that the horse should not have been running etc etc, they might have ended up in court. Implying that Michael Stoute would put anything before the  welfare of his horses is probably slanderous.

spot on jonjo.

McCririck is an awful person - and a complete embarrassment to racing. Why is he still being employed ? - the man's a dinosaur and doesn't represent racing today.
If he is seen -by the media -( as would appear to be the case), as the voice of racing, then we should all hang our heads in shame.

Get a grip of yourselves. Some of you appear to be a little bit upset or emotionally destabilised by the guy. Go and get some perspective. It's the same old English arty farty attitude of getting upset over the most insignifacantly trivial of things. If you think Jonjo made a good post when he states that we're all labelled as right wing nuts because of McRirick, then does that mean you're a botty basher if you Watch Graham Norton ?

It's all very well saying that McRirick shouldn't be on the air as he dosen't represent racing in the 21st century, but does that mean you think the likes of Tanya, Tom, Leslie Graham, Emma Spencer, Alistair Down, Alice Plunkett, Mike Cattermole, Richi Parsad, Tommo, Dave Nevison, Matt Chapman etc, etc, etc do represent where racing is today - if so we are in seriously big trouble

None of the above purport to be "The punters pal"

When in fact, they are the exact opposite..

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Get a grip of yourselves. Some of you appear to be a little bit upset or emotionally destabilised by the guy. Go and get some perspective. It's the same old English arty farty attitude of getting upset over the most insignifacantly trivial of things. If you think Jonjo made a good post when he states that we're all labelled as right wing nuts because of McRirick, then does that mean you're a botty basher if you Watch Graham Norton ?

You mean, like, suggesting the Queens trainer is running an unfit horse ? Or that connections of horse are putting themselves before the horses Welfare ?

And do you agree with your pal Big Mac about the horses participation or not ?

It was favourite both an tepost and on the day so therefore must have been the best horse in the race, yet it got beat - the only conclusion is that the horse was not 100% and under normal cirumstances the trainer would not have run it

I can think for myself. If i cared i'd probably come to the conclusion that he is wrong about Carlton House. I don't care about people making comments that may not be factual at that sort of level. Carson does it all the time and it makes me laugh sometimes. Media figures don't upset or annoy me, i'm not that fragile.

So your not really a racing fan Graeme.

Christ Sintonian, you're like the Bill o'Reilly of racing forums. Oh you got me. I'm not much of a racing fan, and you're the biggest super dooper fan who makes bigger bets. Now that we've established that fact, i'd imagine many are not as big as fans of racing as they think if you stopped them from betting.

I am just trying to understand why you are a staunch suppport of McCririck. You said you dont care about what he says or ''people at that level''.

I get it now though, your just rambling, like Big Mac does !

Gosh i'm a 'staunch supporter' of the guy now. The things we learn about ourselves on here. Cheers Bill.

FWIW in a homogenous world, an archaic dinosaur such as McCririck offers welcome shades of colour, be they wise and prescient or buffoon-like and prejudiced.

At least he's not afraid to offer an opinion.

"does that mean you're a botty basher if you Watch Graham Norton ? "

No, it just means you're a f'in idiot.......

At least he's not afraid to offer an opinion


The only opinion he offers are ones that suit his own agenda..

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The people who have a problem with Big Mac are the same people who would have a brown nose if they joined the media. The same boring farts who get up at 8am to watch morning line to pick faults. Mac is a face for us who are not rich enough to love the illerati, or bookmakers. He is the man that those of us without waiters, shoe polishers or chummy executives can relate to. In a world of 'ism's', the worst example is ageism. Mac is probably the unisputed heavyweight(no pun intended) champion of punter to racing communication. It pisses me off not a little, as far as the racing world goes, that they cut his hours and replace him with bookie lapdogs.

Looks like you are upsetting people again sint

That has to be the funniest post I've ever read on this forum.If the poster can 'relate' to Big Mac I fear for his sanity.

His style of journalism/TV appearances is to make-up an angle to a story which isn't there,scream that he is right, and then hide behind a mask of claiming he is championing the protection of the punters.

To be fair,he has made a good living out of this for years,so who is the stupid ones?

"Looks like you are upsetting people again sint"


Hmmm unlikely. I think i said i'd had a few when i made that post. Not that it matters, carry on.

"does that mean you're a botty basher if you Watch Graham Norton ? "

No, it just means you're a f'in idiot.......




What if you're only watching him to see a guest ?

Still an idiot, anyone going on there as a guest aint worth watching

Watching Mac here in Australia and he drops the f..k word twice and they put it on air as he has a go at Ladbrokes then backs down when challenged about them laying So You Think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zO6NMqgYyk


...and this guy is put forward as the voice of racing by the media !!

Big Mac has been really irritating this week at R.Ascot. Keeps repeating himself over and over again on his little pet subjects. Fame & Glory MUST run in future GCs and not run over 12f, Dettori not riding on last 2 days of R.Ascot a disgrace etc etc.
He is boring and allowed far too much of a platform to spout his views.

agreed. wtf should dettori be allowed to ride? if theyre only banned from the crap meetings its hardly much of a discouragement for not riding to the line.

Dettori has got off lightly. 24 whacks of the whip on Rewilding in the space of 2 furlongs!! And he dropped his hands on the favourite in a classic which resulted in the horse being unplaced!!

Should have got a 3 month ban for that lot, and then you have idiots like Mcrricik sticking up for him simply because he's one of the top boys.

I agreed with Graham Cunnigham when he said most of the whips by Dettori wouldn't have taken the skin off a banana. I think that was the fruit he use as an example. It might have been an apple. I agree with him anyway. It wasn't 24 whips in theory.

If RFC had a clue what they were doing, the very first job, on the very first day, is to find a way to marginalise him, because he's doing untold damage to the public image of this sport, every single time he appears representing it.

At a time when thousands upon thousands of pounds are being spent trying to improve the public's perception of racing, quite how a self-serving, sexist, misogynist, right-wing freak show - recently seen on national TV cage fighting in his under pants - continues to be indulged by the racing establishment as he tramples all over the public image of the sport, is totally beyond all reasoning, imo...

^ excellent post

Quite agree millhouse. If I was on the BHA I would recommend warning him off for bringing the sport into disrepute. If a jockey or trainer said the same things they could lose their license.

agreed, if horse-racing keeps going like it is, indulging idiots like mccririck it wont be long before its a novelty sport as popular as dwarf-throwing.

must say his honesty RE: his surprise when cecil said frankel was bored in front in the SJP, saying 'surely u dont believe that sir henry'.

he is v annoying but at least this time he was honest to his own opinion(and any other sane person imo) as frankel ran a final 14sec furlong, he was tired. no other presenter wouldve questioned the great sir henrys opinion. i admired him for that.

90% of the time his antics are annoying and charactureish, hard to watch in truth!

He was a very good, thorough campaigning journalist and actually has a VERY sharp mind and is unafraid of confrontation.

Unfortunately, all this is lost behind the Big Mac image - which McCririck plays up to (does anyone know what he charges for an appearance at a corporate hospitality box at a racecourse or for after dinner work?)

VERY sharp mind ??.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zO6NMqgYyk


....really ? Certainly no dignity,self respect or professionalism.

Vile creature

Whatever he was, or pretended to be, has long since gone..

Now he's just a detriment to Racing, and himself..

Oh agreed with everything above.

At some point he has seen the £'s that 'Big Mac' (the image) could make, to the detriment of John McCririck (campaigning journalist). I hope he thinks the loss of dignity was worth it, but this does not mean he never 'had it'.

...and racing should absolutely not be in thrall to this oaf.

Ghastly, just bloody ghastly. Oh i kneowwwwwwwwwwwwww. I would never tabogan with McRirick or that ghastly right wing thug that is Cliff Richard(® Jonjo & co). Oh i kneowwwwwwwwwwwww. They should send him in to the bloody tower of London, and take away his voting rights. He should be given a torch and a sharpened stick to hunt for rats, as money on good food shouldn't be wasted on someone like that fellow. Anyone who doesn't act like a pointy nosed poof is obviously not one of us.

been drinking again Graeme ?

Nope, which is even more worrying.