John McCririck.

Result is beside the point. Im talking about his comments as to why the horses was running and the suggestion john Warren,Sir Michael Stoute and Ryan Moore would run this horse even if he was not OK run simply because it was the Derby.

To quote David Elsworth on Racing UK '' McCririck talks b0llocks ''.

MR Badger Wake up.Carlton house came 3rd!! Winner came from miles BEHIND CH and went past him with a great turn of foot.CH coudnt overhaul Treasure Beach and to my eyes did not look unlucky simply beaten by the winner who is a far superior horse.Winner aside I think this lot will turn out to be very average bunch.

On reflection I will agree with that view.Just think in time this lot winner aside will have turned out to be very ordinary!!

Afternoon Sint ...hope you are well and backing winners.

Agree wholeheartedly with you on this one.Had a small AP bet on the Greyhound Derby (backed Barefoot Bullet E/W @ 50) and was delighted when he made the final last night.Cue stage left Big Mac to make the draw for the final.After ranting and raving for a couple of minutes (talking **** as normal) he starts telling everyone how great he is due to the fact that he's drawn the fav in trap 1.
Like most loudmouths his opinion is nearly always uneducated and ultimately wrong.

sintonian.....you got that wrong Alice Plunkett actually turned up her nose at mac's message.....mac said the horse couldn't win....correct call.....connections didn't matter to him as the punters pal he called it right plunkett probably one of the biggest snobs ever on TV and thats some achievment.....leave mac alone.....i say

At least Mac let it be known he wasn't happy with Fred winning the tote


Oh really ? He was shouting his fat mouth off on ATR the other week saying how great it would be if Fagin got the Tote !

He felt it was a series of factors that led him to believe the horse could not win and he was right.Interupted preparation, injury, draw and that he still had to prove that he was a top class animal on the formbook.Put his head on the chopping block and was proved right.

agree with the OP. Big Mac was talking utter sh*te regarding CH all weekend - he was even on the ITN News saying it could not win and was only running cos it's The Queen's horse. He is given far too much airtime to express his, mostly, obnoxious and way-off-the-mark opinions. Allowed to sit or stand there barking away like a mad Womble. He's a failed bookie and as abysmal a tipster as Tommo - in fact, I've never heard him recommend a winner bar Zafonic.

The people who have a problem with Big Mac are the same people who would have a brown nose if they joined the media. The same boring farts who get up at 8am to watch morning line to pick faults. Mac is a face for us who are not rich enough to love the illerati, or bookmakers. He is the man that those of us without waiters, shoe polishers or chummy executives can relate to. In a world of 'ism's', the worst example is ageism. Mac is probably the unisputed heavyweight(no pun intended) champion of punter to racing communication. It pisses me off not a little, as far as the racing world goes, that they cut his hours and replace him with bookie lapdogs.

And you talking complete nonsense aswell Graeme. Your probably didn't even see the morning line on Saturday so to suggest anyone who disagrees with him is a brown nose is pretty ignorant.

Why do you think other trainer have even said the guy talking ''bolocks'' ?

Your doing exactly what Big Mac does, spouting nonsense with no evidence to back it up.

I expect anyone who was thinking of backing on Carlton House and did not do so because of what Mac was saying will be extremely grateful - the fact that what he was saying was not probably correct won't matter a jot to them.

I also watched the Greyhound Derby coverage on Saturday and he did act like an utter ****, but then those who got him involved knww that was going to be the case and clearly weren't bothered about it. He certainly works to the old adage that any publicity is good publicity (Big Brother for example), and his paymasters clearly agree.

When he can actually be bothered to stop acting up for the cameras (which is far too infrequently) he becomes one of the better journalists who does actually understand the politics of racing and asks difficult questions and disagrees with the status quo when needed to - unlike all the others who just kowtow along with it, doffing their caps to the racing glitterati, just so their little gravy train keeps on rolling.

Uncle, you make a very fair point about some punters having saved cash due to Big Mac putting people off. They wouldn't give a sh1t either way and were probably thankful at the end of the day.

However, it works both ways.. and McCririck should know better than to make assumptions and then spout off about it on TV. imo.

Oh.

yeah, i'll stick to throwing my darts, you stick to having a few bevvies then logging on. FFs.

btw, feel free to join us on the Real Money bets thread Graeme. See where your relentess cynicism gets you in the real world.

And I ask you again, do you think Carlton House should not have run like BIG MAC did ?

^ what a tool !

I can't make 'real money' in a thread you refer to as 'the real world'. I only have monopoly money, and my life isn't plugged in to a wall.

As ever it was dreadful stuff from McCririck but nothing out of the ordinary for those who have seen him the last twenty years or so & watched his ego spiral out of control.
For some strange reason, the non-racing media see him as THE VOICE OF RACING & nothing , not one story can appear in the non-racing press without a quote from McRirick and it invariably leads to people outside the sport (who we are supposed to be trying to entice into the game) thinking we are all mysoginistic egomaniacs with extreme right wing political views? His laughable comments about wanting the whip banned in horseracing sum him up....
"We do not want animals hit in the name of sport, the world has moved on"
However, he is still a fervent supporter of fox hunting & hare coursing, where (forgive me if I am wrong) but animals are actually ripped to pieces in the name of 'sport' ?????
The Carlton House comments should see him charged with brining racing into disrepute, why would (as he clearly inferred) the Queen, the racing manager & the trainer, run a horse that was carrying injury in a tough race over such an exacting  course if it was not in condition to do itself justice & it DID do itself justice, but of course Mac 'fans' tend to be so thick they would think only a 5length win would mean the horse had run to form, rather than posted the best rating of it's life, which it actually did.......

It is indeed.

seems a perfectly fair summary to me.

Im am with jomjo.

McCririck has, on occasions, stood up really hard for the punters. His campaigns about rip off starting prices isa good example. But he is in a position to do more of it.

Lets see what Channel 4 racing and McCrirrick does about publicising the fact that the tote, an organisation that was never rally owned by the government, has been removed from Racing and sold to a firm run by welshers who hide behind Gibraltar.

His rant about the chances of Carlton House was amazingly rash; only he would get away with it because it will be put down to "its just Big Mac sounding off again...". if anyone else had said what he did on the TV, implying that the horse should not have been running etc etc, they might have ended up in court. Implying that Michael Stoute would put anything before the  welfare of his horses is probably slanderous.