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sadblokes are keeping 10 up now long after you can lay it on here at alot less they want to get it do they no something
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I doubt if they 'know anything', they're probably just happy to carry on laying it at 10/1, as the filly wasn't altogether convincing yesterday (she had to be pushed along some way out, seemed ill at ease on the track, and may not be ideally suited by the Epsom gradients). There will probably be at least two or three better fancied fillies by the time of the Oaks.
why do people ALWAYS assume a bookie knows something just because they are top price ? It's called taking a position. Their odds-compilers clearly dont fancy her so want to take her on, simple.
The Magic swine have cut the price to 8/1 now.
I think she has an excellent chance and that the first 3 in the betting (boringly) will be extremely hard to beat. I really like this filly, superbly bred, a nice turn of foot, has been cleverly educated round the tight turns of Chester, a huge improver imo and a likely winner.
Ladcrooks must have their own reasons for wanting to lay her at 10's - she looks like a filly going places to me.
I think she has an excellent chance and that the first 3 in the betting (boringly) will be extremely hard to beat. I really like this filly, superbly bred, a nice turn of foot, has been cleverly educated round the tight turns of Chester, a huge improver imo and a likely winner.
Ladcrooks must have their own reasons for wanting to lay her at 10's - she looks like a filly going places to me.
well she convinced me y/day....was quite impressed tbh...and took laddys 10s.....did cross my mind the old do they know...given dillons ment to be in the circle.....but thought fukk it ...i liked what i saw...
did also back the oxx filly who stuffed this 1st time out aswell though....the form of that race now being franked a couple of times..
Trev, bear in mind that, despite what McCririck said along the "Ladbrokes knew" line, the firm were in fact longest, not shortest, about George Washington for the 2006 Guineas immediately after he'd won the Phoenix by eight lengths. 6/1 was the price. They are no more "in the circle" than you or me..
Trev W, Mesariya (Oxx filly) didn't stuff this one 1st time out...Wonder of Wonders was cruising on the rail with nowhere to go & would surely have given Mesariya a race if able to get out. I thought at the time she should have won, tho this could be because I had a really nice double going onto it, & it's been a little annoying seeing her win so easily twice since!
I thought WOW was impressive aswell. It takes time for horses to find themsleves off the bend at Chester but when she did she picked up she looked like she would have won by 10 lengths if there was another 1/2 to run. Plenty of stamina there and she'll be finishing strongly at Epsom,imo.
Took 20/1 pre-race (posted on Flat Turf thread), but made a horlicks as 25/1 was available.
Took 20/1 pre-race (posted on Flat Turf thread), but made a horlicks as 25/1 was available.
I think she's a special race horse who will win the oaks 6/1 still good value, thought the Guineas was a bad race
augustine...bodes well hopefully...
biggie...i have to confess to backing the oxx horse blind...after a conversation where i was bigging up WOW...and was told the oxx horse had beaten her well....a brief look at the form and i backed.....
should have looked a little closer
i guess i need to watch it really...cheers for pointing that out though....
trev
biggie...i have to confess to backing the oxx horse blind...after a conversation where i was bigging up WOW...and was told the oxx horse had beaten her well....a brief look at the form and i backed.....
should have looked a little closer
i guess i need to watch it really...cheers for pointing that out though....
trev
Agree with Biggie
Didnt stuff her but for a 1st time out performance i though Mesariya was impressive.
The fact that John Oxx targets the Blue Wind with his oaks candidates is interesting he obviously thinks she is up to the task.
Add in the fact that she is 20/1 which I think is fair tbh.
Would be good to see a rematch at Epsom.
Didnt stuff her but for a 1st time out performance i though Mesariya was impressive.
The fact that John Oxx targets the Blue Wind with his oaks candidates is interesting he obviously thinks she is up to the task.
Add in the fact that she is 20/1 which I think is fair tbh.
Would be good to see a rematch at Epsom.
Oxx has won the race 3 times, most recently with Beauty O'Gawn. But she did not head to Epsom afterwards because he deemed her not good enough. That said, Mesariyas form stacks up and has been franked since in Listed company. 20/1 is fair when you consider Arizona Jewel is 14/1 when her form is nothing like Mesariyas.
They're all competing for the places, in my opinion. Blue Bunting is well clear of the others at this stage and it's hard to see her getting beaten at Epsom, provided she handles the track and we don't get very firm or heavy ground. We'll see what happens in the remaining trials, but Blue Bunting is a confident selection at this stage.
jamesp
Not sure I agree with that. I have a few doubts about the overall quality of the 1000 guineas and although blue bunting was too long after the Guineas at 4 or 5/1 I would not persoanlly back her at 9/4 or even 3/1 now.
I think that the filly with potential is Wonder Of Wonders and that APOB was very clever giving her a test round Chester to prepare her for Epsom. I fancy her to beat Blue Bunting myslef.
The John Oxx filly is of some interest too I guess.
Not sure I agree with that. I have a few doubts about the overall quality of the 1000 guineas and although blue bunting was too long after the Guineas at 4 or 5/1 I would not persoanlly back her at 9/4 or even 3/1 now.
I think that the filly with potential is Wonder Of Wonders and that APOB was very clever giving her a test round Chester to prepare her for Epsom. I fancy her to beat Blue Bunting myslef.
The John Oxx filly is of some interest too I guess.
we should get a better idea of oxx filly after tonight..
banimpire...who had recital behind lto...is running aswell
banimpire...who had recital behind lto...is running aswell
The problem with Blue Bunting from a punting point of view is that she is not worth backing,imo, in an ante-post market. It is just not worth the risk at those odds.
And for all that she is bred to get the trip, who's to say a strongly run 1m or 10f is not her game ? She still has to prove her stamina.
The form of WOW,Mesariya,and Sirens Song is all closely linked, but they are stoutley bred from top yards and will be aimed for Epsom, so the 20 and 25/1 which was widely available and still is (exlcuding WOW) makes definite appeal from an eachway perspective.imo.
And for all that she is bred to get the trip, who's to say a strongly run 1m or 10f is not her game ? She still has to prove her stamina.
The form of WOW,Mesariya,and Sirens Song is all closely linked, but they are stoutley bred from top yards and will be aimed for Epsom, so the 20 and 25/1 which was widely available and still is (exlcuding WOW) makes definite appeal from an eachway perspective.imo.
James, I'd say Ballydoyle have a perfect idea of where they are with Blue Bunting because of the proximity of the runner-up, a very exposed 2yo in Together. She holds similar entries to Wonder of Wonders, but the latter has 2 very different entries; the Eclipse and the Arc. That speaks volumes.
Given the wind at Newmarket on the Sunday and several of the leading fancies disappointing, I'd say Blue Bunting may well have been flattered. Of course I'm biased, I'm on Wonder of Wonders and have been since mid-March, but her Cheshire Oaks performance was visually impressive and a much better run than the bare bones of the form. The fact that she was not only the only one to be able to pick up off the slow pace, but to come miles clear of the 3rd and then even the runner-up. She was flying at the end. Had the race been over a furlong further, I dare say it'd have been a similar performance to that of St. Nicholas Abbey.
I think people are over-estimating the importance of Mesariya winning the maiden in which WoW finished 7th. Anybody that watched that race knows that the comments of 'Tracked leaders on inner, 3rd halfway, 4th entering straight, short of room from over 1f out, kept on same pace' are simply mis-leading. She got no run whatsoever. Completely ignore the race. I think because of that Mesariya is an artifical price for the Blue Wind tonight and surely Banimpire deserves to be favourite. She'd have gone close in the Derrinstown based on Ballysax form.
Given the wind at Newmarket on the Sunday and several of the leading fancies disappointing, I'd say Blue Bunting may well have been flattered. Of course I'm biased, I'm on Wonder of Wonders and have been since mid-March, but her Cheshire Oaks performance was visually impressive and a much better run than the bare bones of the form. The fact that she was not only the only one to be able to pick up off the slow pace, but to come miles clear of the 3rd and then even the runner-up. She was flying at the end. Had the race been over a furlong further, I dare say it'd have been a similar performance to that of St. Nicholas Abbey.
I think people are over-estimating the importance of Mesariya winning the maiden in which WoW finished 7th. Anybody that watched that race knows that the comments of 'Tracked leaders on inner, 3rd halfway, 4th entering straight, short of room from over 1f out, kept on same pace' are simply mis-leading. She got no run whatsoever. Completely ignore the race. I think because of that Mesariya is an artifical price for the Blue Wind tonight and surely Banimpire deserves to be favourite. She'd have gone close in the Derrinstown based on Ballysax form.
Keep loading up on Wonder of Wonders, i make her a great bet cant beleive she's not Fav.......
WOW didn't get any run, agreed, and I backed her at Chester/ante-post, but it was not guuaranteed she would have Won imo, the winner was unraced and could still be ''anything'', and Sirens Song didn't get much luck in-running either and then made amends next time.
Sirens Song has the same owners as Curtain Call and has been confirmed for Epsom already. No idea if she will run again inbetween, though.
Sirens Song has the same owners as Curtain Call and has been confirmed for Epsom already. No idea if she will run again inbetween, though.
sint..has bolger ruled out banimpire for epsom already ?
think i read irish oaks was the plan..but not sure...
think i read irish oaks was the plan..but not sure...
got around to watching it...would have been close thats for sure,could'nt say she would have won for definite...as she took a while to pick up @ chester....i'm sure she'll enjoy rolling down epsoms st though.
as for mes...well an excellent 1 st run...in the could be anything catergory i suppose...at least until 7.00pm
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will have a bit more 20s..
as for mes...well an excellent 1 st run...in the could be anything catergory i suppose...at least until 7.00pm
.will have a bit more 20s..
not sure trev tbh. His first two runners tonight have run shockers though so not sure he is in the best of form right now.
yep not good enough.
At least Recitals form has been boosted again.
At least Recitals form has been boosted again.
I take a sanguine view of this year's Guineas form. I like the fact that the first three came clear in what looked (on paper) a strong renewal of the race. I also like the fact that Barefoot Lady, beaten 5½ lengths in the Guineas, was beaten by just a short head in today's Musidora at York (the first two well clear of the remainder). As far as the proximity of Together is concerned, let's not forget that she was a smart two-year-old, not beaten far in the Gr.1 Moyglare Stud Stakes and just touched off in the Gr.1 Fillies' Mile behind White Moonstone, where she finished 8¼ lengths in front of Fork Handles (who was recently beaten 6¼ lengths by Wonder Of Wonders at Chester). For a filly who's bred to excel over middle distances, Blue Bunting did amazingly well to win the Guineas and will surely improve significantly for the step up in trip.
I'm not convinced by the Cheshire Oaks form. The runner-up has yet to win a race and the third Fork Handles didn't handle the track too well and probably ran some way below her best (she was given too much to do, hit her usual flat spot, came wide into the straight, and stayed on well once it was all over). I take the point about the winner being value for more and she's certainly bred for the job, but she will need to find considerable improvement to trouble Blue Bunting if the latter stays the trip at Epsom. WOW is still unexposed and may well find the necessary improvement but I'd rather be on the favourite than on WOW at current prices. I'd even suggest that Godolphin's possible 'second string' Khawlah has at least as good a chance as WOW: the UAE Derby form looks a few pounds better than the Cheshire Oaks form!
I'm not convinced by the Cheshire Oaks form. The runner-up has yet to win a race and the third Fork Handles didn't handle the track too well and probably ran some way below her best (she was given too much to do, hit her usual flat spot, came wide into the straight, and stayed on well once it was all over). I take the point about the winner being value for more and she's certainly bred for the job, but she will need to find considerable improvement to trouble Blue Bunting if the latter stays the trip at Epsom. WOW is still unexposed and may well find the necessary improvement but I'd rather be on the favourite than on WOW at current prices. I'd even suggest that Godolphin's possible 'second string' Khawlah has at least as good a chance as WOW: the UAE Derby form looks a few pounds better than the Cheshire Oaks form!
Banimpire stays in Ireland, according to sportinglife.com's report of yesterday's Blue Wind win:
Bolger said: "[Banimpire will] probably now go for the Irish Guineas and after that it will be the Irish Oaks.
"She's pretty versatile regarding trip so I don't think that's an issue.
"She won't be going to Epsom for their Oaks."
http://horses.sportinglife.com/Full_Results/0,12493,432138,00.html
Of course, New Approach won the Derby after Bolger had ruled him out of Epsom, but that was only after Princess Haya had sent the Sheikh's heavies round to change his mind. Since Banimpire is owned by Mrs J S Bolger, history is unlikely to be repeated.
Bolger said: "[Banimpire will] probably now go for the Irish Guineas and after that it will be the Irish Oaks.
"She's pretty versatile regarding trip so I don't think that's an issue.
"She won't be going to Epsom for their Oaks."
http://horses.sportinglife.com/Full_Results/0,12493,432138,00.html
Of course, New Approach won the Derby after Bolger had ruled him out of Epsom, but that was only after Princess Haya had sent the Sheikh's heavies round to change his mind. Since Banimpire is owned by Mrs J S Bolger, history is unlikely to be repeated.
How does WOW not win? Should shoot past them all. Alot of HS bookies going to get pasted here.
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