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Pathfork easily has the potential to make a top class 3yo, MP. I also think Fury looks the type who could make big progress. I admit I'm struggling to find any other possible dangers, so if those two don't live up to my hopes then the race is at Frankel's mercy. Even if he does win by default I think he will find it difficult to maintain his superiority as the season unfolds (personally I've never doubted his stamina, even for the Derby). Of course I'm prepared to be proved wrong and he might turn out to be one of the best horses I've ever seen, if that turns out to be the case I will have no hesistation acknowledging him as such. I don't see much mileage financially though in raving about 4/6 chances that, for me, still have it to prove.
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^ little harsh on pathfork, ROC, Native khan, casamento, these are all at the top of the betting and frankel has only ever faced one of them (at 2)... frankel looks brilliant but its a little unfair to say theres nothing to rival him when he hasnt even faced the horses that are at the head of the guineas market.
he beat a 25/1 shot last time. if hannons hadnt been in there he'd have been a 1/20 shot which essentially he was,he'd want to win the way he did against those horses imo. hes billiant but its ridiculous writing off the other before theyve even run a) as 3 yr olds and b) against the long odds on shot that has only proved hes still alive in his latest appearence. |
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that was for MP sorry figgis.
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I'd agree that for all Frankel is very good, he's unlikely to get much better and his physical advantage from last season may well have receded.
Very good may well be good enough for a Guineas but those who doubt the class of the final line up would do well to remember that year in year out a handful of top class animals come out of the race. No reason to suspect that this year will be any different. |
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given he already looks live a four or five year old, i'd be unconcerned about him losing any perceived advantage in psychique. maybe in five years time that might not be the case
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maybe i'll have even learnt to spell physique [smiley:crazy]
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he might not have to improve of course but id imagine theres a good few that have improved more over the winter than him, its just a question if thats enough.
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a good few? doubt it. one or two at most. take out frankel and it would look like a fairly awful guineas. I doubt many would disagree with that. I never jumped on the st nicholas abbey bandwagon, who was also pretty short for the guineas. frankel just looks like a different specimen to him. he looks like a monster and the evidence on the racetrack suggests that hes not far off that.
anyway we'll see on guineas day but I for one will be very surprised if he gets turned over. |
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mythical, he's not wrong. Not suggesting Frankel isn't as good as he might be just that others had more room for improvement. Arguably the entire field have just that.
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Really? maybe later in the year but in the guineas? I doubt that. Didn't I read somewhere (actually it was mordin who pointed it out) that those listed as "nice types" in the raceform annual have a hugely positive record in the guineas as they simply have a physical advantage over their contemporaries in the first classic which admittedly may vanish as the season proceeds. i'm sure if raceform were still doing it frankel would have got that description.
Anyway I get tired of these admittedly interesting debates. better to lump my entire bank on frankel before too much debate changes my mind [smiley:crazy] |
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Frankel is much better than any 3 yo colt out there at any trip up to a mile and a half. Horses can have off days that's what it will take for him to lose in the Guineas or Derby. It could be a 3 yo filly will turn out next best at a mile as Frankel steps up in trip.
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eric is getting cold feet.
you backed misty for me, yet? |
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eric_morris Joined: 27 Jun 10
Replies: 2963 20 Apr 11 20:23 As you rightly point out I won a lot on Nadal last year .. and will this also. My mathematical methods in tennis would make your a-b=c arbing equation look like a nursery school mug. eric_morris Joined: 27 Jun 10 Replies: 2562 23 Jul 10 11:54 Think ben10 might have been the only contributor on the thread that caused kirk's demise. Kirk should have kissed ass kept stum like Post reporters on issues and he would keep everyone happy. He did go strongly against St Nick on a stupidly long thread on here and was strong on Steinbeck in singles and doubles then Canford Cliffs in a big treble with Big Bucks 3s, Kauto 7/4. Steinbeck won't be any good over trips further than a mile IMO though I believe he had/has potential turns out his injuries may have affected his career and in that respect prima Donna was right. As for Kirk wouldn't be surprised if he is on here claiming he won k's on Nadal at Wimbledon or something else made up. ok ok ok ok ok ok ok, so let me get this straight, eric wouldnt be surprised if eric(kirk) claimed he won thousands on nadal 'or something else made up?' good grief. would u care to explain this post eric ta |
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eric how do you know frankel is much better than any 3 yo colt up to a distance of a mile and half ......
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