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Stow_judge
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I see this race is priced up. I have just started taking a look. Any early views?
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Report Stow_judge February 9, 2011 11:46 PM GMT
This may be of use to some. I have given the top rated 9-10 (Penitent) and calculated the weights of the others using the ORs. When Very Wise won the race, the lowest weight carried was 8-6.

    Date        RaceTime        Course            Distance        RCN        FORM        SFHorse        AGE        Weight        OR        TS        RPR        HorseName   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        1        17125-        Penitent         5        9-10        113        100        116        PENITENT   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        2        36010-        Harrison George         6        9-7        110        101        113        HARRISON GEORGE(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        3        63112-        Nideeb         4        9-4        107        95        105        NIDEEB   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        4        46825-        The Cheka         5        9-4        107        88        110        THE CHEKA(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        5        24944-        Iver Bridge Lad         4        9-2        105        103        111        IVER BRIDGE LAD   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        6        12221-        Fathsta         6        9-0        103        107        107        FATHSTA(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        7        21107-        Nationalism         4        8-13        102        89        108        Nationalism   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        8        10006-        Castles In The Air         6        8-13        102        91        109        CASTLES IN THE AIR   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        9        05100-        Axiom         7        8-12        101        104        110        AXIOM   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        10        11/64-        Shamali         6        8-10        99        96        102        SHAMALI   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        11        30/10-        Splendorinthegrass         5        8-9        98        67        72        SPLENDORINTHEGRASS(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        12        44520-        Mass Rally         4        8-8        97        92        104        MASS RALLY(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        13        36530-        Light From Mars         6        8-8        97        99        104        LIGHT FROM MARS   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        14        41/59-        Fremont         4        8-8        97        67        84        FREMONT(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        15        142-32        Lowther         6        8-8        97        76        89        LOWTHER   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        16        15592-        Docofthebay         7        8-8        97        95        100        DOCOFTHEBAY(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        17        21211-        Suited And Booted         4        8-7        96        96        100        SUITED AND BOOTED(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        18        06153-        Irish Heartbeat         6        8-7        96        95        102        IRISH HEARTBEAT(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        19        93000-        Wannabe King         5        8-7        96        86        101        WANNABE KING   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        20        00700-        Tartan Gigha         6        8-7        96        81        101        TARTAN GIGHA(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        21        31-111        Dubai Hills         5        8-6        95        70        70        DUBAI HILLS   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        22        78107-        Kiwi Bay         6        8-6        95        87        100        KIWI BAY   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        23        10036-        Cockney Class         4        8-6        95        75        98        COCKNEY CLASS(USA)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        24        60037-        Brae Hill         5        8-6        95        83        98        BRAE HILL(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        25        00860-        Al Muheer         6        8-6        95        84        99        AL MUHEER(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        26        01006-        Prime Exhibit         6        8-6        95        86        96        PRIME EXHIBIT   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        27        86050-        Prince Of Dance         5        8-6        95        75        99        PRINCE OF DANCE   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        28        0/116-        Taqleed         4        8-6        95        97        103        TAQLEED(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        29        04325-        Charlie Cool         8        8-5        94        92        98        CHARLIE COOL   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        30        48144-        Our Joe Mac         4        8-5        94        86        99        OUR JOE MAC(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        31        30559-        Dream Lodge         7        8-5        94        87        106        DREAM LODGE(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        32        06222-        Eton Rifles         6        8-5        94        94        101        ETON RIFLES(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        33        64521-        Gunner Lindley         4        8-4        93        99        99        GUNNER LINDLEY(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        34        13181-        Brick Red         4        8-4        93        83        97        BRICK RED   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        35        12061-        Dance And Dance         5        8-4        93        90        99        DANCE AND DANCE(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        36        5540-6        Georgebernardshaw         6        8-4        93        85        102        GEORGEBERNARDSHAW(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        37        0806-7        Greyfriarschorista         4        8-4        93        107        107        GREYFRIARSCHORISTA   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        38        23869-        Manassas         6        8-4        93        87        101        MANASSAS(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        39        064-11        Bravo Echo         5        8-3        92        80        85        BRAVO ECHO   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        40        55287-        Vainglory         7        8-3        92        90        99        VAINGLORY(USA)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        41        6125-        Eton Forever         4        8-3        92        79        95        Eton Forever(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        42        6000-        Pleasant Day         4        8-3        92        95        95        PLEASANT DAY(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        43        41131-        Kalk Bay         4        8-3        92        85        89        Kalk Bay(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        44        42280-        Kyllachy Star         5        8-3        92        81        100        KYLLACHY STAR   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        45        77530-        Camerooney         8        8-2        91        81        97        CAMEROONEY   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        46        22750-        Breakheart         4        8-2        91        97        98        BREAKHEART(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        47        04040-        Hacienda         4        8-2        91        73        100        Hacienda(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        48        15260-        Smarty Socks         7        8-2        91        89        98        SMARTY SOCKS(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        49        1100-        Uphold         4        8-1        90        64        95        UPHOLD   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        50        13312-        Pintura         4        8-1        90        95        95        PINTURA   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        51        2001-        Medicinal Compound         4        8-1        90        86        95        MEDICINAL COMPOUND   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        52        21410-        Justonefortheroad         5        8-1        90        93        95        JUSTONEFORTHEROAD   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        53        17310-        Oriental Scot         4        8-1        90        85        96        ORIENTAL SCOT   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        54        24215-        Mata Keranjang         4        8-1        90        84        92        MATA KERANJANG(USA)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        55        22111-        Norman Orpen         4        8-0        89        65        68        Norman Orpen(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        56        63621-        South Cape         8        8-0        89        86        94        SOUTH CAPE   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        57        8216-        The Fifth Member         7        8-0        89        87        95        THE FIFTH MEMBER(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        58        77000-        Marajaa         9        7-13        88        79        91        MARAJAA(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        59        1/060-        Champagne Style         4        7-13        88        53        61        CHAMPAGNE STYLE(USA)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        60        650-27        Good Again         5        7-13        88        82        97        GOOD AGAIN   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        61        56365-        Highland Knight         4        7-13        88        77        93        HIGHLAND KNIGHT(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        62        00297-        The Osteopath         8        7-12        87        86        98        THE OSTEOPATH(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        63        409-18        Reve De Nuit         5        7-12        87        82        94        Reve De Nuit(USA)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        64        31554-        Linnens Star         4        7-12        87        70        92        Linnens Star(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        65        14269-        King Of Windsor         4        7-12        87        75        95        KING OF WINDSOR(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        66        01311-        Nazreef         4        7-12        87        84        88        NAZREEF   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        67        2117-        Dhaamer         4        7-12        87        93        94        Dhaamer(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        68        24125-        Sir George         6        7-12        87        88        93        SIR GEORGE(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        69        652-01        Avon River         4        7-11        86        84        85        AVON RIVER   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        70        10300-        Doctor Zhivago         4        7-11        86        86        93        DOCTOR ZHIVAGO   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        71        2/143-        Call To Reason         4        7-11        86        83        91        CALL TO REASON(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        72        82304-        Directorship         5        7-11        86        87        94        DIRECTORSHIP   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        73        00215-        Signor Verdi         4        7-11        86        74        94        SIGNOR VERDI   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        74        55040-        Academy Blues         6        7-10        85        93        93        ACADEMY BLUES(USA)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        75        17601-        Noguchi         6        7-10        85        55        64        Noguchi(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        76        2307-4        Beauchamp Viceroy         7        7-10        85        86        110        BEAUCHAMP VICEROY   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        77        68242-        Abergavenny         4        7-10        85        90        93        Abergavenny   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        78        6837-3        Layline         4        7-9        84        75        92        LAYLINE(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        79        50036-        Viva Vettori         7        7-9        84        69        89        VIVA VETTORI   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        80        2/126-        Xilerator         4        7-9        84        72        91        XILERATOR(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        81        4-2214        Buaiteoir         5        7-8        83        30        60        BUAITEOIR(FR)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        82        52540-        Satwa Laird         5        7-8        83        93        93        SATWA LAIRD   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        83        33022-        Duster         4        7-8        83        82        88        DUSTER   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        84        00979-        Extraterrestrial         7        7-8        83        86        87        EXTRATERRESTRIAL   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        85        53-120        Follow The Flag         7        7-8        83        73        88        FOLLOW THE FLAG(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        86        12056-        Tartan Trip         4        7-8        83        72        88        TARTAN TRIP   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        87        10478-        Kay Gee Be         7        7-7        82        95        93        KAY GEE BE(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        88        17-133        Kilburn         7        7-7        82        75        79        KILBURN   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        89        02217-        West End Lad         8        7-5        80        72        84        WEST END LAD   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        90        12133-        First Post         4        7-5        80        85        86        FIRST POST(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        91        211-91        Blue Moon         4        7-5        80        55        77        Blue Moon   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        92        349-72        Bawaardi         5        7-4        79        84        86        BAWAARDI(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        93        722-34        Miami Gator         4        7-4        79        77        79        MIAMI GATOR(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        94        544-12        Ours         8        7-3        78        71        78        OURS(FR)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        95        544-12        Ours         8        7-3        78        71        78        OURS(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        96        615-15        Zebrano         5        7-3        78        66        80        ZEBRANO   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        97        32-211        The Lock Master         4        7-1        76        63        79        THE LOCK MASTER(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        98        22029-        Mutamaleq         4        7-0        75        67        74        MUTAMALEQ(IRE)   
    02/04/11        03:05        Newmarket(JC)            1M3Y        99        90097-        Karaka Jack         4        7-0        75        66        83        KARAKA JACK   
Report Stow_judge February 10, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
Does anyone know anything about the trainer Ed Walker?
Report Stow_judge February 10, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
I have found the info. Walker, who was assistant to Luca Cumani for four seasons, moved into the historic St Gatien Stables in Newmarket last month, taking over 24 boxes.

Before coming to Newmarket, Walker had a two-year spell with Roger Charlton and also worked with Richard Gibson in France after finishing his course at the Royal Agricultural College in Cirencester.  Walker also worked for a short time with Ian Balding.
Report ilikewavingatbuses February 10, 2011 1:15 AM GMT
riggins his first winner (i think).
Report liberator of the oppressed February 10, 2011 5:40 AM GMT
Great piece of work Stow .. now what do you fancy. Give it to me in one.
Report Terry Venables February 10, 2011 7:10 AM GMT
3 Interest me after an initial look:

Kalk Bay
Suited & Booted
Eton Forever
Report Value King February 10, 2011 7:12 AM GMT
At this very early stage I like the look of Taqleed. He seems to be the stand out horse from the "lightly raced 4 year old" category that has proven profitable to follow in recent times. Infact the last six winners of the race when it's been run at Doncaster have been 4 year olds. Taqleed is trained by John Gosden who sent Expresso Star to victory in this two years ago, so he knows how to ready one. He was impressive on his first two starts last term and then finished a very creditable sixth in the Cambridgeshire on only his fourth racecourse appearance. He is beautifully bred and it looks to me like there is even more to come from him now he is maturing with age. He is sitting on a handy mark of 95 for this and could easily prove to be much better than that mark in time. So with age, improvement and talent on his side I'd be plumping for him at present at around the 16/1 mark.
Report unclepuncle February 10, 2011 8:58 AM GMT
I started a thread for the Lincoln earlierMischief

Had a very quick look through the entries and the two I like, though no idea if they are intended runners are:

Call To Reason - J.Noseda @ 16/1

Taqleed - J.Gosden @ 14/1

Both lightly raced improving sorts from top yards who have decent records in the heritage handicaps. Both horses were impressive winners on their seasonal bows last year (admittedly only in maidens) so first time out could be the best time to catch them.
Report johnnyrant February 10, 2011 12:22 PM GMT
I always like Gosden and Barry Hills runners in this as they have a history of 'readying one' for the Lincoln. So Taqleed, Nationalism and Gunner Lindley are my initial 3 picks e/w.
Report Stow_judge February 10, 2011 12:23 PM GMT
sorry uncle, I did not see your thread
Report unclepuncle February 10, 2011 1:53 PM GMT
No problem - I spelt 'handicap' wrong anyway so probably best it sinks to the bottomLaugh
Report Equimine.co.uk February 10, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
Whilst at first glance the form looks at best patchy, Fremont of Hannon's interests me. The fact that the Hannon/Wood team have kept it as a four year old suggests they must think it has ability. Interested to see if it has been gelded.
Report Sir Harry Lewis February 10, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
Doctor crane 14-1. Gosden can get em ready
Report sezarich February 11, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
I like the look of Prince of Dance. Was hoping that he was going to get into this race last year but his owners went to the Lockinge where he failed miserably but he was good enough to win a listed race at 3.
Report bornisthekingofSB February 11, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
Irish Heartbeat maybe a couple of pounds to high but could be worth a play if i can get 20s(16s best at mo)
Report chosenway February 14, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
I like the look of Prime Exhibit @ 20/1 with only a few pound extra than he carried in last years renewel in finishing a excellent 2nd. Hopefully Fahey will lay him out for the race. He is the ew steal. imo
Report Darren Lamb February 14, 2011 9:39 PM GMT
don't understand that logic. he's higher than when he was beaten in the race last year, so realistically a place is the best you can hope for.
Report chosenway February 14, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
Yes Darren, Prime Exhibit is running of a higher rating (4lb) you might be right about a place finish. Horses can improve with age and i can see Prime Exhibit being one. So at this early stage I am sticking with Prime Exhibit. Hopefully he will have a nice pipe opener on the a-w like he did last season which will put him spot on for this years race.
Report Dark Destroyer February 15, 2011 10:02 AM GMT
I agree that the Gosden entries are as good a place to start as any.

Taqleed struck me as being more of a 10f+ performer in the making - against that many better judges thought otherwise last autumn. However I have bigger concerns about Nationalism (last run) and Doctor Crane (owned by Mrs G, quite well backed for last year's renewal but hasnt run for almost 2 years now). 16/1 e/w Taqleed will do for now pending more info on running plans.
Report sintonian February 15, 2011 4:49 PM GMT
this thread is phucked because you cant read half what has been posted thanks to the graph at the bottom!
Report unclepuncle February 16, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
Weights now out.

Still like Taqleed the most and 14/1 has been takenGrin Still have no idea if it is an intended runner?

My other fancy Call To Reason may not get in off 8st.
Report westo97. February 20, 2011 10:20 AM GMT
Taqleed for me too. Progressive whilst the form is very solid.Backed him in the Cambridgeshire and he ran really well and I maybe being a bit critical but I thought he was ridden too close to strong pace that day.

Nationalism looked very classy at Goodwood and I think the mark is decent.Im happy to ignore his two final runs when poorly drawn in Cambridgeshire and his final race was a weird end of season race where you had to sit prominent.

I also like Our Joe Mac whose best form has come on soft ground and in bigger fields with stronger pace.

Will need soft ground for all three to probably best at their best.
Report Value King February 20, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
Did anyone manage to get the 120/1 that Billy were offering yesterday about Taqleed?

Click on his name on Oddschecker to see what I mean!
Report Augustine February 22, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
Something wrong with Irish Heartbeat?

Out to 46 on here.
Report BJG February 24, 2011 12:19 PM GMT
JOHN GOSDEN has warned punters that his William Hill Lincoln joint-favourite Taqleed is not certain to make it into the final line-up for the April 2 handicap at Doncaster.

Six of the front eight in the betting need others to come out if he is to make the final line-up with the Gosden-trained pair Nationalism and Doctor Crane the only two at the head of the betting guaranteed to make the final field of 22.

Gosden, who won the race in 2009 with Expresso Star said: "I see Taqleed is quite well fancied but he is not sure to get in. With these big, valuable handicaps you need to be rated 95 to get in

"Doctor Crane is in good form and I am pleased with him. Nationalism is doing fine and there is no reason why he won'trun."

Gosden, who also has the 87-rated Dhaamer entered, ruled out the possibility of going for the Lincoln Trial at Wolverhampton on March 19 with either Taqleed or Dhaamer. "They will go straight there or not at all," he added. "If they miss out on the Lincoln we could go for the consolation race."
Report bornisthekingofSB February 24, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
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Something wrong with Irish Heartbeat?

Out to 46 on here.

Just spoke with Mr Fahey,he seems in good order(the horse that is) and the plan is to run
Report unclepuncle February 24, 2011 4:43 PM GMT
I hope Gosden declares Taqleed all the way to final decs, as if he gets balloted out then we at least get our antepost money back.

I'll still be a little surprised if he dosen't get in, especially if they really fancy him - Gosden could withdraw his other runners, and Maktoum has Fareer who he could pull out.
Report Augustine February 24, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
Thanks for the info, BITK.
Report bornisthekingofSB February 24, 2011 10:11 PM GMT
no problem mate
Report ashleigh March 13, 2011 11:11 AM GMT
interested to read r fahey planning to enter our joe mac for the irish lincoln.
Report crazyharrybaxter March 19, 2011 10:14 PM GMT
If he gets in then the Barry Hills trained 'Gunner Lindlay' for me......
Report Facts March 20, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
what's the max.no.of runners allowed ?
Report TINnotaTON March 20, 2011 8:16 PM GMT
22 i think...
Report Facts March 21, 2011 1:12 PM GMT
thanks
Report johnnyrant March 26, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
difficult to work out going. Forecast to be dry until mid-week at Donny but possibly wet after that. But how much rain will arrive, if any?
Report morpteh mackem March 27, 2011 10:26 AM BST
todays rp p 11- taqleed completed his preparation with a stylish workout on al bathatri gallop yesterday morning. can see this going off 3-1 on the day.
Report MrDinos March 27, 2011 12:40 PM BST
Tartan Gigha looks like a good EW bet to me having looked at the race card this morning! He has run two good races already this season on the all weather at Deauville and Wolverhampton and he's dropped to a rating of 96. If the weather stays dry I think this horse will love the faster going being by Green Desert! Mark Johnston seems to be in decent form as well at the moment and with Tartan Gigha fitting most of the trends the 33-1 at **** looks tempting!!!

Does anybody know if Mark Johnston has said whether he is a likely runner or not?
Report Howellsy March 27, 2011 1:47 PM BST
Tartan Gigha is a good horse and probably handicapped to win a race lacking progressive rivals, but he is a 9f horse, or extended 8. His chance will come at Newmarket or Epsom again, presuming he doesn't go up the ratings kin the mean time.
Report MrDinos March 27, 2011 2:07 PM BST
Yes your probably right Howellsy, all his better runs have been over 9f and Donny isn't one of the stiffest tracks!!! There have been some horses who have dropped back in trip to win the Lincoln in recent years, Expresso Star won a couple of 10f races and Blythe Knight was another that springs to mind!!!

The draw is another big concern as well!!!
Report MrDinos March 28, 2011 7:09 AM BST
Looks like there is a lot of rain around the Doncaster area Wednesday onwards!!! Tartan Gigha doesn't look that tempting now, I think I will wait for the draw and see where the pace is!!!

I would have to agree with crazyharrybaxter, if he got in and it came up soft Gunner Lindley would have a good chance!
Report town moor March 28, 2011 10:11 AM BST
The ground is pretty quick at the moment but obviously with rain around who knows what it'll be like come saturday- I'll have a jog around the course a couple of times over the next few days and feedback. The turf is very bare at the moment with (I think) far less grass cover than Lincoln day last year- which wasn't great. When I was last on the track on friday I had the feeling that there was slightly more grass on the stands side, but in truth it was almost uniformly poor.
Report manyana March 28, 2011 1:25 PM BST
Anyone know what de sousa rides???
Report unclepuncle March 28, 2011 2:20 PM BST
Taqleed now guaranteed to get a run at number 20. Just want a nice draw nowBlush
Report town moor March 28, 2011 2:22 PM BST
What will "a nice draw" be Unc?
Report downallstar March 28, 2011 2:58 PM BST
stalls 1-9 imo,
Report liberator of the oppressed March 28, 2011 4:06 PM BST
True Town Moor the grass covering looks baldish to bare in some places with more bare sprinkilings than plain old soil. Did you see that some nutter had tried to burn the water jump fence down and made a right old mess.
Report sintonian March 28, 2011 4:38 PM BST
isn't it low draw if soft, high draw if GF ..
Report town moor March 28, 2011 7:34 PM BST
Downy/Sint, I'm not sure there is enough evidence yet on the draw since the track was relayed. I can see the stats re 6 of last 9 drawn low, but that isn't much of a sample, and consolation race run on same day often seems to throw a different result.
Liberator, I think the turf is the worst I've ever seen it. I was amazed that somebody was stupid enough to burn the fence, the racecourse is one of the few reasons anyone from outside would visit donny, and people try to damage it!
Report sintonian March 29, 2011 6:55 PM BST
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Report Redford_Blade March 29, 2011 7:55 PM BST
Gunner Lindley for me, think many factors will be in favour...
Report johnn March 30, 2011 12:30 PM BST
I'm on GL, any news of some rain yet? Shocked
Report askari1 March 30, 2011 1:12 PM BST
My guess is that Kalk Bay is still v. well hcapped but will he have the experience for a cavalry charge?

Irish Heartbeat looks the best of Fahey's but the fav. remains to me the one with the ticks in all the boxes.
Report bornisthekingofSB March 30, 2011 1:19 PM BST
Anyone know why Kalk Bay turned it in at newcastle,i like the horse but something is rather off putting whenever i watch that race again
Report ashleigh March 30, 2011 1:25 PM BST
trainer does not think kalk bay will get in.
Report town moor March 30, 2011 1:39 PM BST
Very light rain overnight, just a couple of mm, no further rain yet today.
Report THEGHOSTOFFSTOW March 31, 2011 12:06 AM BST
fremont well fancied!!!!!!!!
Report johnnyrant March 31, 2011 9:37 AM BST
Going by prices on here looks like Fareer, Doctor Crane, Penitent and Shamali all will not be declared. Looks like Donny hasn't received much rain this week and dry forecast over next few days. Ground on fast side of good possibly, which Fareer would have loved.
Report sintonian March 31, 2011 9:41 AM BST
4/1 - 7/2 Taqleed now.

same price as Penitent last year
Report johnnyrant March 31, 2011 9:44 AM BST
Actually, money lined up for Shemali so maybe he will run. Strange that Fareer looks like being taken out. Will Taqleed be ok on good ground possibly on the fast side? My only doubt.
Report zilzal1 March 31, 2011 12:23 PM BST
If the going stick reading is reliable its nearly soft now, check out Turftrax for the history!!!
Report town moor March 31, 2011 12:27 PM BST
We had steady very light rain throught last night, which again amounted to a couple of mm. We now have very strong winds and a bright sunny afternoon so will be drying. Though I wouldn't disagree with the current going description.
Report zilzal1 March 31, 2011 12:31 PM BST
Plenty of pace nearside with Brae Hill and Gunner Lindley and as the stalls are placed there id think that high is the place to be
Report ashleigh March 31, 2011 12:43 PM BST
spring mile will tell us a lot kalk bay in 1, eton forever in 16.
Report zilzal1 March 31, 2011 12:47 PM BST
It should do but history is littered with misleading races on the same day, remember last year when they did the complete opposite in the two racesLaughLaugh
Report town moor March 31, 2011 12:58 PM BST
Indeed, the winners came from opposite sides last year.
Report unitedbiscuits March 31, 2011 6:40 PM BST
The dark horse Fremont has the right profile for me - 12/1 not as good as 33/1 but will do for me, especially if Tom Segal picks one from each side 'cos Frement could well then be in the firing line.
Report morpteh mackem March 31, 2011 8:16 PM BST
what's peoples opinions of the draw ? fav drawn middle for diddle, ( 11 of 22 ). or do we wait till spring cup run ?
Report wondersobright March 31, 2011 9:40 PM BST
Spring Mile (know what you meant).

Can't say I like Taqleed's draw all that much. Should go low though, and I'd say that was the place to be.
Report Rowley Mile March 31, 2011 10:08 PM BST
Stupid question, what were the balloted out horses ?
Report wondersobright March 31, 2011 10:23 PM BST
*Having said that, fancy the fav.

Prince Of Dance from left field.
Report RMB © April 1, 2011 4:34 PM BST
Light from Mars... whooooooosh.
Report sintonian April 1, 2011 11:42 PM BST
Hugh Taylor tipped Light From Mars fyi.
Report sj April 2, 2011 9:32 AM BST
not played in the race myself(except few shillings e/w Irish Heartbeat)but another plus for Light From Mars backers?

Queally 3/3 for yard
Report cruise d April 2, 2011 9:35 AM BST
Prime Exhibit 3 pts
Prince Of Dance 1 pt
Castles In The Air 1 pt

Like the look of the low drawn horses, unless something weird happens in the opener I'd expect one of the low drawn horses to be winning this.

Out of those drawn 1-5 I cant have Tartan Gigha who wouldn't have beaten Prime Exhibit last time out without help in running and is now 4lbs worse off with the weight allowance for Prime's apprentice jockey who has won on the horse before. Also can't have the top weight.
Report InIstanbulWeWonIt5Times April 2, 2011 2:00 PM BST
The Eaton double could it happen?
Report InIstanbulWeWonIt5Times April 2, 2011 2:08 PM BST
:)
Report Value King April 2, 2011 5:24 PM BST
What a terrible decision to pull Taqleed out of the race at the last minute. Sweet Lightning shouldn't be winning a Lincoln. Taqleed would have won in my opinion if they had let it take it's chance a la Expresso Star under the same circumstances. Such a shame.
Report paulie bedders April 2, 2011 6:23 PM BST
agreed VK

poor excuse imo pulling horses out on good ground
Report sintonian April 2, 2011 7:06 PM BST
it was to do with the grass cover not firmness imo. they felt the ground was false.

obviously they think a lot of Raqleed and dont want him injured.
Report Value King April 2, 2011 7:55 PM BST
Yeh I can understand the reasoning but when he's backed down from 16/1 to 7/2 and then you get Sweet Lightning beating Brae Hill it does leave a bitter taste. You'd have to think he would have won if given the chance to show what he can do.
Report Facts April 2, 2011 8:02 PM BST
Gosden stating he didn't want punters to lose their money !! What about the fortunes backed at ante post - all gone !!The man really does have a touch of arrogance
Report custardcream64 April 4, 2011 7:28 PM BST
The trainers first priority is to look after the horse for it's owner .
He felt the ground with the bare patches and sand was not suitable so withdrew the horse . Gosden shouldn't be slated just because punters ante-post bets went down the drain .If you back ante-post [ i don't ] then you are taking a big chance .The only thing i find a bit strange about all this is why he ran his other horse ?
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