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Report Fistfulofdollars February 14, 2011 2:25 PM GMT
Agreed Mully.One of the weaker renewals imo. My initial list includes:

Tick most boxes:
Ballabriggs
West end rocker
with some reservations:
notre pere
Chief dan george
State of Play

I'm hoping for 10:12 on Ballabriggs tomorrow.
Report Mully February 14, 2011 3:29 PM GMT
I've keen on CDG at the moment Fistful. Seeing what weight he's burdened with Tuesday before backing up.
Report Fistfulofdollars February 14, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
Agreed Mully - got good chance if getting there fit and well. Too stiff a task first comeback race...would like to see him run back to form in an easier contest....suspect the trainer is protecting the mark...GL
Report Mully February 14, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
I'm going to go to Haydock on Saturday to see if that race gives me any clues.
Report crab patties February 14, 2011 5:25 PM GMT
chiefdangeorge
always waining
big fella thanks
hello bud
Report Fearless Willie February 14, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
What time are the weights out men?
Report chewy11 February 14, 2011 8:46 PM GMT
Top 5 weights on Twitter at 11 am, the rest released at 11.30 am
Report cryoftruth February 14, 2011 8:49 PM GMT
PF Trader I suspect you are other than a fool having looked at a few of your posts.

My analysis is that Backstage ticks a number of boxes, and is very decent value at anything over 30 as he is such a likely runner and very likely to be backed as well.
Report bazzar February 14, 2011 9:47 PM GMT
Is this twitter attatched to Wetherby's?
Report apieceofcake February 15, 2011 6:51 AM GMT
Killyglen is of real interest to me.

Former aintree grade 2 winner, likes to race handy, Irish trained and given very easy time over hurdles.

He is ground dependant but imo he is no 66/1 chance.

Hopefully he will get a nice weight today, seems to have slipped under the radar for most.
Report chewy11 February 15, 2011 10:11 AM GMT
Follow aintreeinsider on twitter for top 5 weights at 11 am
Report bazzar February 15, 2011 10:46 AM GMT
Chewy11, I'm thick , how do I  get onto twitter?
Sorry for my ignorance, can only just find my way around the computer and that knowledge is lacking on many occasions.
Report doogs February 15, 2011 11:01 AM GMT
Top 5 Weights

Don’t Push It 11-10
Neptune Collonges 11-10
Tidal Bay 11-09
Midnight Chase 11-08
Deep Purple 11-07
Report chewy11 February 15, 2011 11:02 AM GMT
Top 5 Weights Don’t Push It 11-10 Neptune Collonges 11-10 Tidal Bay 11-09 Midnight Chase 11-08 Deep Purple 11-07 Next 5 @ 11.30am
Report Extreme Conviction February 15, 2011 11:08 AM GMT
Think you should be able to see it without signing up bazzar

http://twitter.com/#!/AintreeInsider
Report bazzar February 15, 2011 11:23 AM GMT
Thanks, extreme.
Report doogs February 15, 2011 11:32 AM GMT
Tranquil Sea 11-07
Synchronised 11-06
Vic Venturi 11-06
What A Friend 11-06
Majestic Concorde 11-05
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! February 15, 2011 11:33 AM GMT
Merigo 10.1

Cool
Report Viper Wiper February 15, 2011 11:47 AM GMT
No chance 10-1 gets in.

Bottom weight set to be right on the limit of 10-3/10-4.
Report Anaglogs Daughter February 15, 2011 11:58 AM GMT
Last year's winner Don't Push It and Neptune Collonge both share top weight of 11st 10lb for the John Smith's Grand National at Aintree on 9 April.

Don't Push It ended Tony McCoy's long wait for an Aintree winner in 2010 when triumphing under 11st 5lb. Paul Nicholls' Neptune Collonges, winner of the Argento Chase last time out, is among 10 entries for the trainer. They include former Irish National winner Niche Market on 10st 13lb while What A Friend, who is part-owned by Alex Ferguson, is off 11st 6lb.

Donald McCain's Ballabriggs is as low as 14-1 favourite with some bookmakers and he has been handed 11st for the feature event.

Willie Mullins' The Midnight Club (10st 13lb) is also prominent in the ante-post lists along with Big Fella Thanks (11st 1lb) and West End Rocker (10st 5lb).

Mullins has nine possibles in total with Dooneys Gate (11st 4lb) and Scotsirish (11st 2lb) the highest rated of his team.

Dermot Weld's Majestic Concorde is an eyecatching entry on 11st 5lb.


Merigo won last year's Scottish National and he has been given 10st 1lb in the initial list while the 2010 Irish National winner Bluesea Cracker, trained by James Motherway, has 10st 4lb.

Becauseicouldntsee is another to note on 10st 8lb while Evan Williams has two contenders in Deep Purple (11st 7lb) and State Of Play (10st 6lb) who has finished fourth and third in the last two renewals.

Plenty of last year's runners could be back for another crack with fifth Hello Bud (10st 5lb), sixth Snowy Morning (10st 9lb) and seventh Character Building (10st 4lb) among the 101 remaining entries.

David Pipe sent out Comply Or Die to win in 2008 and that horse has 10st 8lb this time while stablemate Or Noir De Somoza has the heavier impost of 11st 5lb.

As well as Tidal Bay, trainer Howard Johnson has Grand Sefton winner Frankie Figg (10st 3lb) with Dermot Weld's Majestic Concorde an eyecatching entry on 11st 5lb.

The four-and-a-half-mile marathon has a safety limit of 40 runners and O'Neill's Quolibet, a French recruit who has yet to run in this country, is currently 40th on the list.
Report Viper Wiper February 15, 2011 12:06 PM GMT
Nicholls must be pretty pleased with 11-6 for two-time Grade 1 winner What a Friend.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! February 15, 2011 12:13 PM GMT
waf
A likely NON RUNNER

Cool
Report sintonian February 15, 2011 12:18 PM GMT
Howard Johnson (Tidal Bay 11st 9lb, Santa's Son 10st 5lb, Royal Rosa, Frankie Figg 10st 3lb, Belon Gale 10st 1lb): "The main aim for Tidal Bay is the Gold Cup so we'll see.

"I have schooled him over National fences before and he jumps them like a buck. There's nearly a month between them and he's 10 now but we'll see. He wants a marathon trip these days, which is strange for an Arkle winner.

"If he ran, we'd know our fate early. He'll either take to it or tail himself off.

"Santa's Son should get in and at this stage he'd be my main hope. He's won a Castleford Chase so he's got a bit of class and he came out of his win at Musselburgh in very good shape. He'll stay.

"The others might struggle to get in but we know Frankie Figg loves it there.''

Dessie Hughes (Vic Venturi 11st 6lb, In Compliance 10st 5lb): "He's got the same weight as last year. We'll have to put up with it, but I'd have liked to see him with a couple of pounds lower. He'll run in the Bobbyjo next Wednesday.

"In Compliance is warming up nicely for it. There's a conditions race coming up for him at Thurles in the next 10 days and he'll probably go there.''

Donald McCain (Ballabriggs 11st, Sagalyrique 9st 13lb Khachaturian 9st 10lb): "I've no complaints with that for Ballabriggs. He's a Cheltenham Festival winner so it was always going to be around the 11st mark.

"The bonus is that Don't Push It is likely to run so the weights aren't going to change at all. I've no complaints.

"The other two aren't likely to get in and we're going to the Racing Post Chase with Sagalryique and that will decide where we go after that.''

Gordon Elliott (Backstage 10st 12lb, Nedzer's Return 10st 8lb, Dev 10st): "That will do. Backstage won his point-to-point at the weekend. He might have one run under Rules before the National.

"Nedzer's Return qualifies for the Fox Hunter's as well so I'll have to discuss that with the owners. Dev won't get in."

Jimmy Moffatt (Chief Dan George 10st 12lb): ''That's a good racing weight. I'd be happy with that, he's off his correct mark. Don't Push It will run so we'll stay under 11st. We don't want to go through that barrier as not too many win above 11st.

"He'll have a spin over hurdles at Haydock on Saturday, then he'll go to Cheltenham for the handicap chase he won last year then he'll go to Aintree.''

Henrietta Knight (Calgary Bay 10st 10lb): "I suppose that's not too bad a weight and he'll go straight for the National.''

Martin Lynch (Oscar Time 10st 9lb): "It looks like he's rated me a few pounds above my Irish mark which I'm not too happy about given that I haven't run the horse over fences since I've had him.

"But, at the end of the day, if he ran he's got less than 11st which is a nice racing weight. After that, you just need all the luck in the world!''

Noel Glynn (Becauseicouldntsee 10st 8lb): "I'd be happy with that, hopefully we get him there now as we had a setback the other week.

"He's only a week away from going back into work so he's going the right way. We wouldn't have time for a run so it will be straight there.

"I was expecting more so that's a pleasant surprise. He's only eight so hopefully he'll be going back for a few years yet.

"I led in Numbersixvalverde for my cousin (Martin Brassil) and we were drunk for a week after that!''

Malcolm Jefferson (King Fontaine 10st 6lb): "That seems all right. Don't Push It will probably run so it won't be going up either.

"We want to see how he goes on Saturday (at Haydock) first, that will tell us something. If he isn't in he can't run. He's eight which isn't a bad age for the National.

"Everything has to go right between now and then but it would be a handy weight if he ran.''

Alan King (West End Rocker 10st 5lb): "I'm very happy with that. It's a good racing weight so let's just hope things go according to plan on Saturday (at Haydock). Once we get this weekend out of the way we'll start worry about the National after that.

"You'd hope he'd get in but I'm not worrying about that just yet.''

James Motherway (Bluesea Cracker 10st 4lb): ''It's a nice racing weight, we can't complain about that.

"She's due to run in the Bobbyjo Chase at Fairyhouse next week. My owners and myself will probably make a decision after that as to whether she'll go to Aintree or not.

"My main concern is the ground. She does need some cut, that is my one fear. If it came up too fast she wouldn't take her chance. Most of her best runs have been on soft so we might have to put a back-up plan in place.''

Andrew Parker (Merigo 10st 1lb): "He's got the same rating (137) as last year. He's not altered us so it's going to be a struggle to get in. There are masses of horses above us in the weights so we will just have to see if we are lucky.

"He's in great form, I've sat on him this morning. If he doesn't get in, we'll go to Ayr instead for the Scottish National. We'll just have to let fate take his course and see what happens.

"He may go to Ayr next week for a novice hurdle just to get that sharpener into him.''
Report bazzar February 15, 2011 12:39 PM GMT
All these little pen stories are very nice,
but can someone give a FULL list of the weights, then we can judge for ourselves wether our horse/s
have a chance of getting in?
Report chewy11 February 15, 2011 12:44 PM GMT
DON'T PUSH IT (IRE) 11-11-10; NEPTUNE COLLONGES (FR) 10-11-10; TIDAL BAY (IRE) 10-11-09; MIDNIGHT CHASE 9-11-08; DEEP PURPLE 10-11-07; TRANQUIL SEA (IRE) 9-11-07; SYNCHRONISED (IRE) 8-11-06; VIC VENTURI (IRE) 11-11-06; WHAT A FRIEND 8-11-06.

MAJESTIC CONCORDE (IRE) 8-11-05; OR NOIR DE SOMOZA (FR) 9-11-05; DOONEYS GATE (IRE) 10-11-04; LITTLE JOSH (IRE) 9-11-03; SCOTSIRISH (IRE) 10-11-02; BIG FELLA THANKS 9-11-01; BALLABRIGGS (IRE) 10-11-00; TARANIS (FR) 10-11-00; TATENEN (FR) 7-11-00; THE TOTHER ONE (IRE) 10-11-00.

NICHE MARKET (IRE) 10-10-13; THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 10-10-13; BACKSTAGE (FR) 9-10-12; CHIEF DAN GEORGE (IRE) 11-10-12; SILVER BY NATURE 9-10-12; FAIR ALONG (GER) 9-10-11; I'MSINGINGTHEBLUES (IRE) 9-10-11; NOTRE PERE (FR) 10-10-11; CALGARY BAY (IRE) 8-10-10; KILLYGLEN (IRE) 9-10-10; TRICKY TRICKSTER (IRE) 8-10-10; JUST AMAZING (IRE) 8-10-09; OSCAR TIME (IRE) 10-10-09; SNOWY MORNING (IRE) 11-10-09; BALLYTRIM (IRE) 10-10-08; BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE (IRE) 8-10-08; COMPLY OR DIE (IRE) 12-10-08; NEDZER'S RETURN (IRE) 9-10-08; NORTHERN ALLIANCE (IRE) 10-10-08; QUINZ (FR) 7-10-08; QUOLIBET (FR) 7-10-08; FROM DAWN TO DUSK 12-10-07; GRAND SLAM HERO (IRE) 10-10-07; ROLL ALONG (IRE) 11-10-07.

APT APPROACH (IRE) 8-10-06; GULLIBLE GORDON (IRE) 8-10-06; KING FONTAINE (IRE) 8-10-06; STATE OF PLAY 11-10-06; DREAM ALLIANCE 10-10-05; HELLO BUD (IRE) 13-10-05; IN COMPLIANCE (IRE) 11-10-05; QUISCOVER FONTAINE (FR) 7-10-05; SANTA'S SON (IRE) 11-10-05; WEST END ROCKER (IRE) 9-10-05; BLUESEA CRACKER (IRE) 9-10-04; CAN'T BUY TIME (IRE) 9-10-04; CHARACTER BUILDING (IRE) 11-10-04; ORNAIS (FR) 9-10-04; PIRAYA (FR) 8-10-04; SURFACE TO AIR 10-10-04; THAT'S RHYTHM (FR) 11-10-04; ARBOR SUPREME (IRE) 9-10-03; FRANKIE FIGG (IRE) 9-10-03; MOBAASHER (USA) 8-10-03; NICTO DE BEAUCHENE (FR) 10-10-03; ONE COOL COOKIE (IRE) 10-10-03; OUR MONTY (IRE) 8-10-03; ROYAL ROSA (FR) 12-10-03; ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 10-10-02; GOLDEN KITE (IRE) 9-10-02; MEANUS DANDY (IRE) 8-10-02; SKIPPERS BRIG (IRE) 10-10-02; BELON GALE (IRE) 8-10-01; FAASEL (IRE) 10-10-01; LE BEAU BAI (FR) 8-10-01; MERIGO (FR) 10-10-01; PUTNEY BRIDGE 9-10-01; QUEZAC DE LA ROQUE (FR) 7-10-01; ASKTHEMASTER (IRE) 11-10-00; DEV (IRE) 11-10-00; GILES CROSS (IRE) 9-10-00; SADDLERS STORM (IRE) 9-10-00; STARZAAN (IRE) 12-10-00.

AMBOBO (USA) 11-9-13; DUERS (IRE) 9-9-13; SAGALYRIQUE (FR) 7-9-13; TOBY JUG 10-9-13; CANE BRAKE (IRE) 12-9-12; GALANT NUIT (FR) 7-9-12; JUNIOR 8-9-12; THE SAWYER (BEL) 11-9-12; KHACHATURIAN (IRE) 8-9-10; BALLYFITZ 11-9-09; I'MONCLOUDNINE (IRE) 8-9-09; POMME TIEPY (FR) 8-9-09; BURREN LEGEND (IRE) 10-9-08; CARRONHILLS (IRE) 9-9-08; THE SLIOTAR (IRE) 10-9-08; TINAKELLYLAD (IRE) 7-9-07. NOBLE CONCORDE 9-9-04; TREACLE (IRE) 10-9-04; REGAL HEIGHTS (IRE) 10-9-02.
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Report Bad Beat Histack February 15, 2011 12:45 PM GMT
DON'T PUSH IT (IRE) 11-11-10;
NEPTUNE COLLONGES (FR) 10-11-10;
TIDAL BAY (IRE) 10-11-09;
MIDNIGHT CHASE 9-11-08;
DEEP PURPLE 10-11-07;
TRANQUIL SEA (IRE) 9-11-07;
SYNCHRONISED (IRE) 8-11-06;
VIC VENTURI (IRE) 11-11-06;
WHAT A FRIEND 8-11-06.

MAJESTIC CONCORDE (IRE) 8-11-05;
OR NOIR DE SOMOZA (FR) 9-11-05;
DOONEYS GATE (IRE) 10-11-04;
LITTLE JOSH (IRE) 9-11-03;
SCOTSIRISH (IRE) 10-11-02;
BIG FELLA THANKS 9-11-01;
BALLABRIGGS (IRE) 10-11-00;
TARANIS (FR) 10-11-00;
TATENEN (FR) 7-11-00;
THE TOTHER ONE (IRE) 10-11-00.

NICHE MARKET (IRE) 10-10-13;
THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 10-10-13;
BACKSTAGE (FR) 9-10-12;
CHIEF DAN GEORGE (IRE) 11-10-12;
SILVER BY NATURE 9-10-12;
FAIR ALONG (GER) 9-10-11;
I'MSINGINGTHEBLUES (IRE) 9-10-11;
NOTRE PERE (FR) 10-10-11;
CALGARY BAY (IRE) 8-10-10;
KILLYGLEN (IRE) 9-10-10;
TRICKY TRICKSTER (IRE) 8-10-10;
JUST AMAZING (IRE) 8-10-09;
OSCAR TIME (IRE) 10-10-09;
SNOWY MORNING (IRE) 11-10-09;
BALLYTRIM (IRE) 10-10-08;
BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE (IRE) 8-10-08;
COMPLY OR DIE (IRE) 12-10-08;
NEDZER'S RETURN (IRE) 9-10-08;
NORTHERN ALLIANCE (IRE) 10-10-08;
QUINZ (FR) 7-10-08;
QUOLIBET (FR) 7-10-08;
FROM DAWN TO DUSK 12-10-07;
GRAND SLAM HERO (IRE) 10-10-07;
ROLL ALONG (IRE) 11-10-07.

APT APPROACH (IRE) 8-10-06;
GULLIBLE GORDON (IRE) 8-10-06;
KING FONTAINE (IRE) 8-10-06;
STATE OF PLAY 11-10-06;
DREAM ALLIANCE 10-10-05;
HELLO BUD (IRE) 13-10-05;
IN COMPLIANCE (IRE) 11-10-05;
QUISCOVER FONTAINE (FR) 7-10-05;
SANTA'S SON (IRE) 11-10-05;
WEST END ROCKER (IRE) 9-10-05;
BLUESEA CRACKER (IRE) 9-10-04;
CAN'T BUY TIME (IRE) 9-10-04;
CHARACTER BUILDING (IRE) 11-10-04;
ORNAIS (FR) 9-10-04;
PIRAYA (FR) 8-10-04;
SURFACE TO AIR 10-10-04;
THAT'S RHYTHM (FR) 11-10-04;
ARBOR SUPREME (IRE) 9-10-03; FRANKIE FIGG (IRE) 9-10-03; MOBAASHER (USA) 8-10-03; NICTO DE BEAUCHENE (FR) 10-10-03; ONE COOL COOKIE (IRE) 10-10-03; OUR MONTY (IRE) 8-10-03; ROYAL ROSA (FR) 12-10-03; ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 10-10-02; GOLDEN KITE (IRE) 9-10-02; MEANUS DANDY (IRE) 8-10-02; SKIPPERS BRIG (IRE) 10-10-02; BELON GALE (IRE) 8-10-01; FAASEL (IRE) 10-10-01; LE BEAU BAI (FR) 8-10-01; MERIGO (FR) 10-10-01; PUTNEY BRIDGE 9-10-01; QUEZAC DE LA ROQUE (FR) 7-10-01; ASKTHEMASTER (IRE) 11-10-00; DEV (IRE) 11-10-00; GILES CROSS (IRE) 9-10-00; SADDLERS STORM (IRE) 9-10-00; STARZAAN (IRE) 12-10-00.

AMBOBO (USA) 11-9-13; DUERS (IRE) 9-9-13; SAGALYRIQUE (FR) 7-9-13; TOBY JUG 10-9-13; CANE BRAKE (IRE) 12-9-12; GALANT NUIT (FR) 7-9-12; JUNIOR 8-9-12; THE SAWYER (BEL) 11-9-12; KHACHATURIAN (IRE) 8-9-10; BALLYFITZ 11-9-09; I'MONCLOUDNINE (IRE) 8-9-09; POMME TIEPY (FR) 8-9-09; BURREN LEGEND (IRE) 10-9-08; CARRONHILLS (IRE) 9-9-08; THE SLIOTAR (IRE) 10-9-08; TINAKELLYLAD (IRE) 7-9-07. NOBLE CONCORDE 9-9-04; TREACLE (IRE) 10-9-04; REGAL HEIGHTS (IRE) 10-9-02.
Report bazzar February 15, 2011 1:02 PM GMT
Thanks to both Chewy11 and Bad Beat Histaks.
My highest weighted horse has a good chance of getting in and my second horse a slight but hopeful chance.
As regards chances of getting in most recent good form gives a better chance than a horse showing a lack of form, in other words if a few horses are rated the same, but a horse runs after the weights published and wins, that horse would be treated better than losers.
Report toffeeboy February 15, 2011 2:26 PM GMT
NICHE MARKET (IRE) 10-10-13;
THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 10-10-13;
BACKSTAGE (FR) 9-10-12;
CHIEF DAN GEORGE (IRE) 11-10-12;
SILVER BY NATURE 9-10-12;
FAIR ALONG (GER) 9-10-11;
I'MSINGINGTHEBLUES (IRE) 9-10-11;
NOTRE PERE (FR) 10-10-11;
CALGARY BAY (IRE) 8-10-10;
KILLYGLEN (IRE) 9-10-10;
TRICKY TRICKSTER (IRE) 8-10-10;
JUST AMAZING (IRE) 8-10-09;
OSCAR TIME (IRE) 10-10-09;
SNOWY MORNING (IRE) 11-10-09;
BALLYTRIM (IRE) 10-10-08;
BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE (IRE) 8-10-08;
COMPLY OR DIE (IRE) 12-10-08;
NEDZER'S RETURN (IRE) 9-10-08;
NORTHERN ALLIANCE (IRE) 10-10-08;
QUINZ (FR) 7-10-08;
QUOLIBET (FR) 7-10-08;
FROM DAWN TO DUSK 12-10-07;
GRAND SLAM HERO (IRE) 10-10-07;
ROLL ALONG (IRE) 11-10-07.

IMHO the winner comes from this section (Just as a coincidence 6 of my 8 horses backed are in here [;)])
Report vinnie_roe February 15, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
Neptune Collonges in great form and he's of an 8lb lower mark. Fantastic jumper, galloper, will stay, perfect age - but will he run?
Report unclepuncle February 15, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
At first glance I rather like BecauseIcouldn'tsee @ 33/1 - though with the trainer reporting he had a little problem I won't play until much nearer the time, and preferably when I know who's jocked up.
Report sonicanthem February 15, 2011 3:04 PM GMT
backstage carries 5lb more than his official rating, only horse I can see who is, think we have been unfairly treated by the hcapper. oscar time carries one pound less than offical mark aswell!
Report vinnie_roe February 15, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
First race I usually look at his the irish grand national, and Oscar time is the most interesting horse from that race, especially with his winning form on yielding ground at leopardstown.
Report boy wonder 07 February 15, 2011 6:02 PM GMT
i agree with you vinnie just bet him at 25 owned by waley cohen been given light season one run over fences now to put him spot on strong traveller my idea of the winner for super sam
Report PFtrader February 15, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
Oscar Time well in compared to Irish handicap mark, gamble already commenced by the looks of it.

Backstage not particularly well treated by the UK handicapper but still capable of winning this off 10st 12lbs
Report Bindaree February 15, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
I think you should all have a look at Killyglen.Likes flat tracks and good ground and his form against Wogan shows him to be a better horse than Ballabriggs.Also won on the Mildmay course 2 yrs ago.
Report bazzar February 16, 2011 10:30 AM GMT
From a handicap point of view, someone has pointed out that,
Neptune Collonges is 8lbs lower than his official rating, but there is
one horse that is 13lbs in off Smiths original rating, he gives as his reason that the horse is not as good now as he was, how does he know?
The horse last ran in France on NOV 28th and finished 4th in a grade 2, just 8 1/2 lengths in front of him was MID DANCER who has been a top jumper in France and the winner looks like the next leading jumper for a few years in France, so OR NOIR DE SOMOZA, must be thrown in at the weights.
Report Rondetto February 16, 2011 10:57 AM GMT
You just gotta love AP MCCoy and his 2 minds. I think he mimes while Frank Berry talksLaugh

Don't Push It tried and tested up 5lbs and AP isn't sure? [:o]

Let me refresh your memory AP a few weeks ago you said...."If they want to run Synchronized they can go without me" Didn't he also say he wouldn't get of Don't Push It for anything?

He was never ever ever going to ride Can't Buy Time last season and there's even less chance he will do so this time round. Horse wouldn't get the trip for starters.

Listen not to the man's ramblings he will ride Don't Push It and with only 5lbs more to carry he must be on the short list of likely winners.
Report PFtrader February 16, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
Have to agree with you there Rondetto

Horse won a 500k chase last year carrying 11st 5lb by 5 lengths and 20 lengths (handicap mark of 153) and finds himself returning the following year carrying 5lb more with a handicap mark of 160. Before the GN weights were announced his official handicap mark was 164 so that looks pretty favourable treatment to me all because the handicapper wants to compress the weights from top to bottom thereby attracting the better horses to the race.

As someone who has been backing Backstage and three or four others antepost throughout the winter, and who wasn't giving DPI a second glance thinking the weight differential would be far more severe, I am feeling a bit aggrieved at the way they have manipulated the situation here.
Report Angel Gabrial February 17, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
I think the winner is lurking on 10st 10lb..[;)]
Report Fistfulofdollars February 18, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
By: This user is offline. bazzar
Date Joined: 17 Mar 05 Add contact | Send message When: 16 Feb 11 10:30 From a handicap point of view, someone has pointed out that,
Neptune Collonges is 8lbs lower than his official rating, but there is
one horse that is 13lbs in off Smiths original rating, he gives as his reason that the horse is not as good now as he was, how does he know?
The horse last ran in France on NOV 28th and finished 4th in a grade 2, just 8 1/2 lengths in front of him was MID DANCER who has been a top jumper in France and the winner looks like the next leading jumper for a few years in France, so OR NOIR DE SOMOZA, must be thrown in at the weights.


Bazzar - regarding the French horse - his recod does no suggest he's up to staying - or am I missing something? His big defeats have allcome at longer distance and most wins are short of 3m...
Report bazzar February 18, 2011 9:18 PM GMT
As I wrote from a handicapping point of view, that is just what it was, but several years ago there was a theory that 2 and a half milers could win the national, I think it was due to F Rimells horse GAY VULGAN, winning and he had never won beyond 2 1/2 miles, but the sire was VULGAN and he was a sire to inject stamina into his offspring, the fact that because of the extreme distance, the race is run a bit slower than most 3 mile chases may help horses to get the distance, so long as they can jump.
OR has won 16 of his 32 races 2nd 6 and third 2, winning over £i million in prize money and in most cases raced against top class.
Report Fistfulofdollars February 21, 2011 11:58 AM GMT
Bazzar

I'm a big fan of the french horses and am always interested to see when they are handicapped in their early runs in GB. I have backed many of F Doumen's runners in the GN - a number have ran well for a long way.I was not questioning the class; record or handicapping aspect of OR. In looking at it's form (as you say win and place to run ration v impressive) it is noticeable that every run over 22f (2m 6f) it has been either been well beaten or has uncharcteristically fallen.

Clearly you may be right on he breeding front re stamina influence...unless I have a clear explanation for its failure over longer to date there must be a question mark...
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 7, 2011 10:17 PM GMT
The Midnight Club (12) , Ballabriggs (14) , Backstage (16) , Big Fella Thanks (16) , Niche Market (16) , Silver By Nature (16) , Oscar Time (33/2) , Quinz (35/2) , Dont Push It (22) , Arbor Supreme (25) , State of Play (25) , Hello Bud (33) , Becauseicouldntsee (37) , Notre Pere (39) , Ballytrim (40) , Skippers Brig (40) , Calgary Bay (41) , West End Rocker (43) , Synchronised (47) , Character Building (50)  - Others 50 or more
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 8, 2011 5:36 PM GMT
Next Deadline is Tuesday, March 22nd for the 81 entries.
(Snowy M. out)
Report betilyerded March 18, 2011 8:33 AM GMT
Northern Alliance anyone?
Report samuraikenny March 18, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
any predictions as to who will be withdrawn march 22nd
"those that ran in gold cup????
Report NIGHTWALKER March 20, 2011 8:48 PM GMT
Only prediction Tidal Bay if he goes for GN is way over priced, and will be single figures.Gold Cup trip too short for him and he was only just getting going at finish.3 wins from 7 runs at Aintree and if like i think he will take to these fences will do for me.
Report betilyerded March 21, 2011 8:00 PM GMT
I was soft enough to back Tidal Bay in the Gold Cup (at 50-1 mind you). I think he would **** his pants over Aintree fences - Mildmay form counts for nothing imo - and throw the towel in sharpish. Not for me.
Report TYSON 2 March 22, 2011 11:30 AM GMT
Like Northern Alliance,but given connections,why such a big price?
Report samuraikenny March 22, 2011 11:46 AM GMT
any one know what time / where i can find the declarations
that will be made today
Report maiaze March 22, 2011 2:02 PM GMT
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/03/22/RACING_National_Lead.html&BID=465

74 stand there ground
Report grade 1 March 25, 2011 12:12 PM GMT
Jock em up ..draft 1 . Fill in gaps make corrections as you see fit ...

1 Don't Push It (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 11st 10lb 11 AP Mc Coy
2 Tidal Bay (IRE) Howard Johnson 11st 9lb 10  B Hughes
3 Midnight Chase Neil Mulholland 9 11st 8lb NR ?
4 Synchronised (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 8 11st 6lb NR ?
5 Vic Venturi (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 11st 6lb 11 PW Flood
6 What A Friend Paul Nicholls 11st 6lb 8 D Jacob
7 Majestic Concorde (IRE) D. K. Weld, Ireland 11st 5lb 8 RP Mc Namara ?
8 Or Noir de Somoza (FR) David Pipe 9 11st 5lb  T Scudamore
9 Dooneys Gate (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 4lb NR ?
10 Scotsirish (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 2lb ?
11 Big Fella Thanks Ferdy Murphy 9 11st 1lb  9 G Lee
12 Ballabriggs (IRE) Donald McCain 10 11st 0lb 10 J Maguire
13 The Tother One (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 11st 0lb ?
14 Niche Market (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 10st 13lb ?
15 The Midnight Club (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 13lb 10 R Walsh
16 Backstage (FR) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 12lb 9 P Carberry
17 Chief Dan George (IRE) James Moffatt 11 10st 12lb 11 P Aspell
18 Silver By Nature Lucinda Russell 9 10st 12lb 9 P Buchanan
19 Notre Pere (FR) Barry Potts, Ireland10  10st 11lb 10 AE Lynch
20 Calgary Bay (IRE) Henrietta Knight 8 10st 10lb  H Frost ?
21 Killyglen (IRE) Stuart Crawford, Ireland 9 10st 10lb D O’Regan
22 Oscar Time (IRE) M. M. Lynch, Ireland 10 10st 9lb S Waley Cohen
23 Ballytrim (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 8lb ?
24 Becauseicouldntsee (IRE) Noel Glynn, Ireland  8   10st 8lb D N Russell
25 Comply Or Die (IRE) David Pipe 12 10st 8lb T Murphy
26 Nedzer's Return (IRE) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 8lb DJ Condon
27 Northern Alliance (IRE) A. J. Martin, Ireland 10 10st 8lb  AP Heskin ?
28 Quinz (FR) Philip Hobbs 10 10st 8lb R Johnson
29 Quolibet (FR) Jonjo O'Neill 7 10st 8lb  NR ?
30 Grand Slam Hero (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 10 10st 7lb P Brennan
31 Roll Along (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 11 10st 7lb ?
32 King Fontaine (IRE) Malcolm Jefferson 8 10st 6lb J Halliday
33 State of Play Evan Williams 11 10st 6lb P Maloney
34 Hello Bud (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 13 10st 5lb S Twiston Davies
35 In Compliance (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 10st 5lb R Loughran
36 Santa's Son (IRE) Howard Johnson 11 10st 5lb ?
37 West End Rocker (IRE) Alan King 9 10st 5lb R Thornton
38 Bluesea Cracker (IRE) James Motherway, Ireland 9  10st 4lb AJ Mc Namara
39 Can't Buy Time (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 9 10st 4lb ?
40 Character Building (IRE) John Quinn 11  10st 4lb N Carberry
41 Ornais (FR) Paul Nicholls 10st 4lb 9 N Schofield ?
42 Piraya (FR) David Pipe 10st 4lb 8 J Farrelly
43 Surface To Air Chris Bealby  10 10st 4lb
44 That's Rhythm (FR) Martin Todhunter 11 10st 4lb
45 Arbor Supreme (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 9 10st 3lb P Townend
46 Frankie Figg (IRE) Howard Johnson 9 10st 3lb
47 One Cool Cookie (IRE) Charlie Swan, 10 Ireland 10st 3lb
48 Our Monty (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 8 10st 3lb
49 Royal Rosa (FR) Howard Johnson 12 10st 3lb
50 Always Waining (IRE) Peter Bowen 10 10st 2lb
51 Golden Kite (IRE) Adrian Maguire, Ireland  9 10st 2lb
52 Skippers Brig (IRE) Nicky Richards 10 10st 2lb
Report grade 1 March 27, 2011 1:04 PM BST
Skelton confirmed for Niche Market which presumably means Ruby on The Midnight Club . Paul Townend out of race with broken collarbone.  AP comments suggest Synchronised might run - was his only alternative ride to Dont Push it according to yesterday telegraph. Geraghty with no ride in race yet but working on it according to Racing Post.


1 Don't Push It (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 11st 10lb 11 AP Mc Coy
2 Tidal Bay (IRE) Howard Johnson 11st 9lb 10  B Hughes
3 Midnight Chase Neil Mulholland 9 11st 8lb NR ?
4 Synchronised (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 8 11st 6lb NR ?
5 Vic Venturi (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 11st 6lb 11 PW Flood
6 What A Friend Paul Nicholls 11st 6lb 8 D Jacob
7 Majestic Concorde (IRE) D. K. Weld, Ireland 11st 5lb 8 RP Mc Namara ?
8 Or Noir de Somoza (FR) David Pipe 9 11st 5lb  T Scudamore
9 Dooneys Gate (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 4lb NR ?
10 Scotsirish (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 2lb ?
11 Big Fella Thanks Ferdy Murphy 9 11st 1lb  9 G Lee
12 Ballabriggs (IRE) Donald McCain 10 11st 0lb 10 J Maguire
13 The Tother One (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 11st 0lb ?
14 Niche Market (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 10st 13lb H Skelton ( per P nicholls on twitter this am)
15 The Midnight Club (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 13lb 10 R Walsh
16 Backstage (FR) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 12lb 9 P Carberry
17 Chief Dan George (IRE) James Moffatt 11 10st 12lb 11 P Aspell
18 Silver By Nature Lucinda Russell 9 10st 12lb 9 P Buchanan
19 Notre Pere (FR) Barry Potts, Ireland10  10st 11lb 10 AE Lynch
20 Calgary Bay (IRE) Henrietta Knight 8 10st 10lb  H Frost ?
21 Killyglen (IRE) Stuart Crawford, Ireland 9 10st 10lb D O’Regan
22 Oscar Time (IRE) M. M. Lynch, Ireland 10 10st 9lb S Waley Cohen
23 Ballytrim (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 8lb ?
24 Becauseicouldntsee (IRE) Noel Glynn, Ireland  8   10st 8lb D N Russell
25 Comply Or Die (IRE) David Pipe 12 10st 8lb T Murphy
26 Nedzer's Return (IRE) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 8lb DJ Condon
27 Northern Alliance (IRE) A. J. Martin, Ireland 10 10st 8lb  AP Heskin ?
28 Quinz (FR) Philip Hobbs 10 10st 8lb R Johnson
29 Quolibet (FR) Jonjo O'Neill 7 10st 8lb  NR ?
30 Grand Slam Hero (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 10 10st 7lb P Brennan
31 Roll Along (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 11 10st 7lb ?
32 King Fontaine (IRE) Malcolm Jefferson 8 10st 6lb J Halliday
33 State of Play Evan Williams 11 10st 6lb P Maloney
34 Hello Bud (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 13 10st 5lb S Twiston Davies
35 In Compliance (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 10st 5lb R Loughran
36 Santa's Son (IRE) Howard Johnson 11 10st 5lb ?
37 West End Rocker (IRE) Alan King 9 10st 5lb R Thornton
38 Bluesea Cracker (IRE) James Motherway, Ireland 9  10st 4lb AJ Mc Namara
39 Can't Buy Time (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 9 10st 4lb ?
40 Character Building (IRE) John Quinn 11  10st 4lb N Carberry
41 Ornais (FR) Paul Nicholls 10st 4lb 9 N Schofield ?
42 Piraya (FR) David Pipe 10st 4lb 8 J Farrelly
43 Surface To Air Chris Bealby  10 10st 4lb
44 That's Rhythm (FR) Martin Todhunter 11 10st 4lb
45 Arbor Supreme (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 9 10st 3lb ?
46 Frankie Figg (IRE) Howard Johnson 9 10st 3lb
47 One Cool Cookie (IRE) Charlie Swan, 10 Ireland 10st 3lb
48 Our Monty (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 8 10st 3lb
49 Royal Rosa (FR) Howard Johnson 12 10st 3lb
50 Always Waining (IRE) Peter Bowen 10 10st 2lb
51 Golden Kite (IRE) Adrian Maguire, Ireland  9 10st 2lb
52 Skippers Brig (IRE) Nicky Richards 10 10st 2lb
Report revedesivola March 27, 2011 1:23 PM BST
geraghty would get the tother one anyhow id say if he cant find a better ride
Report Shrew D March 27, 2011 2:00 PM BST
Walsh confirmed for The Midnight Club.
Report Beryl March 27, 2011 3:24 PM BST
Grade 1, where did you see that Nina Carberry was riding Character Building ?

I know she rode him last year but I can't see where the owners/trainer have said she will retain the ride.
Report kelami March 27, 2011 3:28 PM BST
Patrick Mullins riding Dooneys Gate for his father.
Report apieceofcake March 27, 2011 4:22 PM BST
Geraghty will surely be snapped up by any trainer with half a brain
Report grade 1 March 27, 2011 4:27 PM BST
RdS, Dont see many options for Geraghty ...most at top of market jocked up now. Doesnt ride much for Mullins or JP so Nicholls third string probably better option than Elliots 2nd string but wonder is trainers title an issue. He has won on Roll along and In Compliance before ...wonder if Carl has been on the phone .

Beryl, Only guessing but would have thought Nina or maybe Jamie Codd would be up.

Kelami, Is Dooney's Gate going ...big price on here ?
Report Fabulous March 27, 2011 4:30 PM BST
Mullins stated at Weights lunch that Dooneys would go, with Patrick jocked up as early as then. Don't know if that's been confirmed more recently.
Report toffeeboy March 27, 2011 6:04 PM BST
Nina Carberry is riding Becauseicouldntsee and will become the first woman to ride a GN winner[;)]
Report magic carpet March 27, 2011 6:32 PM BST
Niche Market has an outstanding chance.Although disappointing in last years race he reportedly sustained an injury during the race and given that he gained experience of the fences, last year may not have been a totally fruitless excercise.
Now able to race off a weight below 11 stone as opposed to 11-4 last year versatile with regard to the ground and with the class and stamina to win an Irish national the final huge plus is that he is now in the care of the champion trainer as opposed to a trainer who has managed 19 winners under national hunt rules in the last two years combined.
Report Beryl March 27, 2011 6:36 PM BST
Toffeeboy,

Davy Russell has been booked to ride Becauseicouldntsee. He was booked on Thursday. He expects to be back from injury to ride him.
Report Far From Trouble March 27, 2011 7:22 PM BST
Sam Thomas will be on The Tother One surely?
Report revedesivola March 27, 2011 7:35 PM BST
i wouldnt be so sure fft. i dont think nicholls feels obliged to give himmounts anymore, except for denman.i like sam but my only reservation would be that he has a lot of fallers, not ideal for the national
Report Diamond_Joe_Quimby March 27, 2011 9:13 PM BST
No Jockey deserts a current National winner imho. McCoy Rides Don't Push it end of imho.

Any chance Midnight Chase may take his chance?
Report DALAKHANI 69 March 28, 2011 12:43 AM BST
The Tother One doesn't strike me as anyone's "third string" - fair enough he hasn't finished fourth in a Gold Cup,
but the way he finished in the Hennessy was most eyecatching. Didn't run as bad a race as finishing position in
the Argento might suggest either, and saved for this race since then.
Report grade 1 March 28, 2011 9:35 AM BST
WAF best Price 12/1
Niche Market BP 16/1
The Tother One BP 50/1 ( 89/1 on here)

Looks like the third string to me ( not saying they will finish in that order though )
Report clouded leopard March 28, 2011 10:36 AM BST
quinz weak in mkt here this am

38 to back , nowt to lay
Report 87blade March 28, 2011 11:41 AM BST
Anyone know if there's any way to find RPR ratings without subscribing to the RP members' club?
Report Regular Fries March 28, 2011 11:46 AM BST
Does anyone know if there's another forfeit stage this week or do we wait for the five day decs now?
Report Fabulous March 28, 2011 11:47 AM BST
Next Mondays is definitely the next stage.
Report Regular Fries March 28, 2011 11:51 AM BST
cheers fab, wonder how many will come out. What chances for example have the likes of arbor supreme or skippers brigg got of getting in.
Report Fabulous March 28, 2011 11:59 AM BST
There's usually a few last minute surprises, so Arbor should be ok, Skippers Brig would have to be very lucky I think.
Report grade 1 March 29, 2011 9:56 AM BST
"The plan is for Tom Messenger to ride him. He usually does but Noel Fehily won the Summer National on him as Tom was suspended. He rides him at least one day a week at home."Surface To Air is a 66-1 shot for Aintree glory with several bookmakers.

Some but not all of the 10 3s getting in ?


1 Don't Push It (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 11st 10lb 11 AP Mc Coy
2 Tidal Bay (IRE) Howard Johnson 11st 9lb 10  B Hughes
3 Midnight Chase Neil Mulholland 9 11st 8lb NR ?
4 Synchronised (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 8 11st 6lb NR ?170 on betfair
5 Vic Venturi (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 11st 6lb 11 PW Flood ?
6 What A Friend Paul Nicholls 11st 6lb 8 D Jacob
7 Majestic Concorde (IRE) D. K. Weld, Ireland 11st 5lb 8 RP Mc Namara ?
8 Or Noir de Somoza (FR) David Pipe 9 11st 5lb  T Scudamore
9 Dooneys Gate (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 4lb PW Mullins or NR 210 on bf ?
10 Scotsirish (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 2lb D Condon ?160 on bf
11 Big Fella Thanks Ferdy Murphy 9 11st 1lb  9 G Lee
12 Ballabriggs (IRE) Donald McCain 10 11st 0lb 10 J Maguire
13 The Tother One (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 11st 0lb ?
14 Niche Market (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 10st 13lb H Skelton
15 The Midnight Club (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 13lb 10 R Walsh
16 Backstage (FR) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 12lb 9 P Carberry
17 Chief Dan George (IRE) James Moffatt 11 10st 12lb 11 P Aspell
18 Silver By Nature Lucinda Russell 9 10st 12lb 9 P Buchanan
19 Notre Pere (FR) Barry Potts, Ireland10  10st 11lb 10 AE Lynch
20 Calgary Bay (IRE) Henrietta Knight 8 10st 10lb  H Frost ?
21 Killyglen (IRE) Stuart Crawford, Ireland 9 10st 10lb D O’Regan ?
22 Oscar Time (IRE) M. M. Lynch, Ireland 10 10st 9lb S Waley Cohen
23 Ballytrim (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 8lb R Power ?
24 Becauseicouldntsee (IRE) Noel Glynn, Ireland  8   10st 8lb D N Russell
25 Comply Or Die (IRE) David Pipe 12 10st 8lb T Murphy
26 Nedzer's Return (IRE) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 8lb NR 310 on Bf?
27 Northern Alliance (IRE) A. J. Martin, Ireland 10 10st 8lb  AP Heskin ?
28 Quinz (FR) Philip Hobbs 10 10st 8lb R Johnson
29 Quolibet (FR) Jonjo O'Neill 7 10st 8lb  NR ? 860 on betfair
30 Grand Slam Hero (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 10 10st 7lb P Brennan
31 Roll Along (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 11 10st 7lb ?
32 King Fontaine (IRE) Malcolm Jefferson 8 10st 6lb J Halliday
33 State of Play Evan Williams 11 10st 6lb P Maloney
34 Hello Bud (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 13 10st 5lb S Twiston Davies
35 In Compliance (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 10st 5lb R Loughran ?
36 Santa's Son (IRE) Howard Johnson 11 10st 5lb NR ? 630s on Betfair
37 West End Rocker (IRE) Alan King 9 10st 5lb R Thornton
38 Bluesea Cracker (IRE) James Motherway, Ireland 9  10st 4lb AJ Mc Namara
39 Can't Buy Time (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 9 10st 4lb ? NR 250 on Betfair ?
40 Character Building (IRE) John Quinn 11  10st 4lb N Carberry ?
41 Ornais (FR) Paul Nicholls 10st 4lb 9 N Schofield ?
42 Piraya (FR) David Pipe 10st 4lb 8 J Farrelly NR ? 830s on BF
43 Surface To Air Chris Bealby  10 10st 4lb Tom Messenger
44 That's Rhythm (FR) Martin Todhunter 11 10st 4lb
45 Arbor Supreme (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 9 10st 3lb MP Walsh ?
46 Frankie Figg (IRE) Howard Johnson 9 10st 3lb
47 One Cool Cookie (IRE) Charlie Swan, 10 Ireland 10st 3lb D Casey ?
48 Our Monty (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 8 10st 3lb
49 Royal Rosa (FR) Howard Johnson 12 10st 3lb
50 Always Waining (IRE) Peter Bowen 10 10st 2lb
51 Golden Kite (IRE) Adrian Maguire, Ireland  9 10st 2lb
52 Skippers Brig (IRE) Nicky Richards 10 10st 2lb
Report spothediference March 29, 2011 1:24 PM BST
STATE OF PLAY- any1 give this a chance. less weight than previous two years when he ran well but appeared bit one paced.whats the stats on 11yo winning the race any1 know?cheers.
Report revedesivola March 29, 2011 1:37 PM BST
^ evan williams trains it. chance gone
Report spothediference March 29, 2011 1:39 PM BST
thanks reve all opinions welcome m8[:)]
Report revedesivola March 29, 2011 1:49 PM BST
Laugh im only jokin. i wouldnt back anythin evan williams trains but thats just me...
Report grade 1 March 29, 2011 2:24 PM BST
Nicholls has yet to decide on which of his jockeys will ride his two other possibles, Ornais and The Tother One

"I have to finalise it but Ryan Mahon will probably ride one and Nick Scholfield the other," he added.


Nothing for Sam or Barry G there then.
Report Regular Fries March 29, 2011 2:50 PM BST
Spotthedifference - i'm quite sweet on State Of Play having backed him the last two years and getting a place return. He's campaigned lighter and lighter with no run at all this season, hoping the price will come out a bit and i'll have another small each-way on him this year.
Report kpf March 29, 2011 3:45 PM BST
Cannot see any comments about the Irish National winner and favourite for the Welsh National before removal for slight injury. Races off 10-4 , if it rains could be favourite on the day.
Report Far From Trouble March 29, 2011 5:10 PM BST
If State Of Play was going to win this race he would have done so by now imv. will be a good run for your money but can't see it winning
Report sintonian March 29, 2011 6:42 PM BST
He's got a lower mark though, 3lb lower than last year, and also his Hennessy win.  Age is fine it is just winning first time up, could have done with a couple of outings over hurdles first imo.
Report grade 1 March 30, 2011 3:38 PM BST
Nina confirmed for Character Building
Report grade 1 March 30, 2011 3:49 PM BST
1 Don't Push It (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 11st 10lb 11 AP Mc Coy
2 Tidal Bay (IRE) Howard Johnson 11st 9lb 10  B Hughes
3 Midnight Chase Neil Mulholland 9 11st 8lb NR ?
4 Synchronised (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 8 11st 6lb NR ?170 on betfair
5 Vic Venturi (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 11st 6lb 11 PW Flood/R Loughran ?
6 What A Friend Paul Nicholls 11st 6lb 8 D Jacob
7 Majestic Concorde (IRE) D. K. Weld, Ireland 11st 5lb 8 RP Mc Namara ?
8 Or Noir de Somoza (FR) David Pipe 9 11st 5lb  T Scudamore
9 Dooneys Gate (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 4lb PW Mullins or NR 210 on bf ?
10 Scotsirish (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 2lb D Condon ?160 on bf
11 Big Fella Thanks Ferdy Murphy 9 11st 1lb  9 G Lee
12 Ballabriggs (IRE) Donald McCain 10 11st 0lb 10 J Maguire
13 The Tother One (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 11st 0lb R Mahon/ N Schofield?
14 Niche Market (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 10st 13lb H Skelton
15 The Midnight Club (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 13lb 10 R Walsh
16 Backstage (FR) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 12lb 9 P Carberry
17 Chief Dan George (IRE) James Moffatt 11 10st 12lb 11 P Aspell
18 Silver By Nature Lucinda Russell 9 10st 12lb 9 P Buchanan
19 Notre Pere (FR) Barry Potts, Ireland10  10st 11lb 10 AE Lynch
20 Calgary Bay (IRE) Henrietta Knight 8 10st 10lb  H Frost
21 Killyglen (IRE) Stuart Crawford, Ireland 9 10st 10lb D O’Regan ?
22 Oscar Time (IRE) M. M. Lynch, Ireland 10 10st 9lb S Waley Cohen
23 Ballytrim (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 8lb R Power ?
24 Becauseicouldntsee (IRE) Noel Glynn, Ireland  8   10st 8lb D N Russell
25 Comply Or Die (IRE) David Pipe 12 10st 8lb T Murphy
26 Nedzer's Return (IRE) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 8lb  ?  190 in from  310 on Bf
27 Northern Alliance (IRE) A. J. Martin, Ireland 10 10st 8lb  ?
28 Quinz (FR) Philip Hobbs 10 10st 8lb R Johnson
29 Quolibet (FR) Jonjo O'Neill 7 10st 8lb  NR ? 440 in from 860 on betfair
30 Grand Slam Hero (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 10 10st 7lb P Brennan
31 Roll Along (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 11 10st 7lb ?
32 King Fontaine (IRE) Malcolm Jefferson 8 10st 6lb J Halliday
33 State of Play Evan Williams 11 10st 6lb P Maloney
34 Hello Bud (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 13 10st 5lb S Twiston Davies
35 In Compliance (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 10st 5lb P Flood/R Loughran ?
36 Santa's Son (IRE) Howard Johnson 11 10st 5lb NR ? 630s on Betfair
37 West End Rocker (IRE) Alan King 9 10st 5lb R Thornton
38 Bluesea Cracker (IRE) James Motherway, Ireland 9  10st 4lb AJ Mc Namara
39 Can't Buy Time (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 9 10st 4lb ? NR 295 out from 250 on Betfair ?
40 Character Building (IRE) John Quinn 11  10st 4lb N Carberry
41 Ornais (FR) Paul Nicholls 10st 4lb 9 N Schofield / R Mahon
42 Piraya (FR) David Pipe 10st 4lb 8 J Farrelly NR ? 830s on BF
43 Surface To Air Chris Bealby  10 10st 4lb Tom Messenger
44 That's Rhythm (FR) Martin Todhunter 11 10st 4lb
45 Arbor Supreme (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 9 10st 3lb MP Walsh ?
46 Frankie Figg (IRE) Howard Johnson 9 10st 3lb
47 One Cool Cookie (IRE) Charlie Swan, 10 Ireland 10st 3lb D Casey ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------  WITH A FEW RANDOM DROP OUTS  ?

48 Our Monty (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 8 10st 3lb
49 Royal Rosa (FR) Howard Johnson 12 10st 3lb


50 Always Waining (IRE) Peter Bowen 10 10st 2lb
51 Golden Kite (IRE) Adrian Maguire, Ireland  9 10st 2lb
52 Skippers Brig (IRE) Nicky Richards 10 10st 2lb
Report grade 1 March 30, 2011 4:35 PM BST
Robbie Power on Killyglen
Report 247lol April 1, 2011 11:09 PM BST
A few negative comments about state of play,but he has in fact got some of the strongest credentials,far stronger than the likes of Big Fella Thanks or TMC.
Question to the doubters,when was SOP'S last run prior to winning the hennessy?,and what is his record first out?,there lies your answer to his chances.[;)]
Report Angel Gabrial April 2, 2011 11:42 AM BST
He pulled up first time out last season.[;)]
Report sintonian April 2, 2011 7:23 PM BST
One Cool Cookie OUT Cry
Report A.H HUNTER esq. April 2, 2011 8:20 PM BST
sint you around on here mate ? Back early ?
Report A.H HUNTER esq. April 2, 2011 8:20 PM BST
Why national market suspend ?
Report sintonian April 2, 2011 10:21 PM BST
my life doesn't revolve around football Bunter.
Report grade 1 April 2, 2011 10:49 PM BST
Updated from Antepost thread.

1 Don't Push It (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 11st 10lb 11 AP Mc Coy
2 Tidal Bay (IRE) Howard Johnson 11st 9lb 10  B Hughes
3 Midnight Chase Neil Mulholland 9 11st 8lb NR ?
4 Synchronised (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 8 11st 6lb NR ?170 on betfair
5 Vic Venturi (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 11st 6lb 11 AE Lynch/R Loughran
6 What A Friend Paul Nicholls 11st 6lb 8 D Jacob
7 Majestic Concorde (IRE) D. K. Weld, Ireland 11st 5lb 8 RP Mc Namara ?
8 Or Noir de Somoza (FR) David Pipe 9 11st 5lb  T Scudamore
9 Dooneys Gate (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 4lb PW Mullins or NR 210 on bf ?
10 Scotsirish (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 11st 2lb D Condon ?160 on bf
11 Big Fella Thanks Ferdy Murphy 9 11st 1lb  9 G Lee
12 Ballabriggs (IRE) Donald McCain 10 11st 0lb 10 J Maguire
13 The Tother One (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 11st 0lb Mr R Mahon
14 Niche Market (IRE) Paul Nicholls 10 10st 13lb H Skelton
15 The Midnight Club (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 13lb 10 R Walsh
16 Backstage (FR) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 12lb 9 P Carberry
17 Chief Dan George (IRE) James Moffatt 11 10st 12lb 11 P Aspell
18 Silver By Nature Lucinda Russell 9 10st 12lb 9 P Buchanan
19 Notre Pere (FR) Barry Potts, Ireland10  10st 11lb 10 AE Lynch or possible NR
20 Calgary Bay (IRE) Henrietta Knight 8 10st 10lb  H Frost
21 Killyglen (IRE) Stuart Crawford, Ireland 9 10st 10lb R Power
22 Oscar Time (IRE) M. M. Lynch, Ireland 10 10st 9lb S Waley Cohen
23 Ballytrim (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 10 10st 8lb NR
24 Becauseicouldntsee (IRE) Noel Glynn, Ireland  8   10st 8lb D N Russell
25 Comply Or Die (IRE) David Pipe 12 10st 8lb T Murphy
26 Nedzer's Return (IRE) Gordon Elliott, Ireland 9 10st 8lb  ?  190 in from  310 on Bf
27 Northern Alliance (IRE) A. J. Martin, Ireland 10 10st 8lb  B J Geraghty
28 Quinz (FR) Philip Hobbs 10 10st 8lb R Johnson
29 Quolibet (FR) Jonjo O'Neill 7 10st 8lb  NR JT McNamara? 440 in from 860 on betfair
30 Grand Slam Hero (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 10 10st 7lb P Brennan?
31 Roll Along (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 11 10st 7lb ?
32 King Fontaine (IRE) Malcolm Jefferson 8 10st 6lb D O Regan
33 State of Play Evan Williams 11 10st 6lb P Maloney
34 Hello Bud (IRE) Nigel Twiston-Davies 13 10st 5lb S Twiston Davies
35 In Compliance (IRE) D. T. Hughes, Ireland 11 10st 5lb L Aspell
36 Santa's Son (IRE) Howard Johnson 11 10st 5lb NR ? 630s on Betfair
37 West End Rocker (IRE) Alan King 9 10st 5lb R Thornton
38 Bluesea Cracker (IRE) James Motherway, Ireland 9  10st 4lb AJ Mc Namara ( or AP Mc Coy Mischief)
39 Can't Buy Time (IRE) Jonjo O'Neill 9 10st 4lb goes?
40 Character Building (IRE) John Quinn 11  10st 4lb N Carberry
41 Ornais (FR) Paul Nicholls 10st 4lb 9 N Schofield
42 Piraya (FR) David Pipe 10st 4lb 8 J Farrelly NR ? 830s on BF
43 Surface To Air Chris Bealby  10 10st 4lb Tom Messenger
44 That's Rhythm (FR) Martin Todhunter 11 10st 4lb
45 Arbor Supreme (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 9 10st 3lb D Casey?
46 Frankie Figg (IRE) Howard Johnson 9 10st 3lb
47 One Cool Cookie (IRE) Charlie Swan, 10 Ireland 10st 3lb D Casey ?dead
48 Our Monty (IRE) W. P. Mullins, Ireland 8 10st 3lb
49 Royal Rosa (FR) Howard Johnson 12 10st 3lb
----------------------------------------------------------------------  WITH A FEW RANDOM DROP OUTS  ?

50 Always Waining (IRE) Peter Bowen 10 10st 2lb
51 Golden Kite (IRE) Adrian Maguire, Ireland  9 10st 2lb
52 Skippers Brig (IRE) Nicky Richards 10 10st 2lb
Report sintonian April 4, 2011 8:40 PM BST
There dont appear to be many fans of West End Rocker Cry

This horse has won 2 from 3 this season including a Grade 3 H'cap. He is on a rapid upward curve imo and if he did not PU lto when the ground was atrocious he'd be around 16/1 imo.

When he ran in the Scottish National in 09 off 137 he was badly hampered at the 20th and then pulled up. He's 4lb higher for the weekend but conceivably could be higher had he won that day. Handicapper gave him a chance as he had a year off and started this campaign off 129. 141 is still workable imo.
Report downallstar April 5, 2011 4:06 PM BST
Northern Alliance 50-50 to make it....
Report betilyerded April 5, 2011 7:02 PM BST
Dont know what to make about the Northern Alliance comments. I really like his chances and have supported the horse accordingly but I would rather he be pulled from the race if all is not well than give my money to the bookies when he pulls up after a circuit. Barry Geraghty is usually straight up in his comments on his ATR blog so maybe we will know more tomorrow. Ive never had anything to do with horses but would have thought that horses can recover quite quickly from stone bruises so it may not be all that bad.
Report PFtrader April 5, 2011 7:23 PM BST
sintonian

WER is one of 5 I have been backing throughout the winter and it has a decent chance in my book. Will definitely prefer better ground and hopefully he will get into a rhythm fairly quickly, has looked a bit iffy jumping his first few fences this year but when he starts popping away he looks good. Jockey didn't knock him about last time at Haydock on desperate ground when his chance had gone so probably a bit overpriced on here at the moment.

good luck
Report PFtrader April 10, 2011 7:36 AM BST
Some idiot said Ballabriggs was a "very doubtful stayer" earlier on this thread.

Congratulations to those who backed the horse, a thoroughly deserved success from a very brave animal.
Report sintonian April 10, 2011 9:11 AM BST
agree. McCain some trainer.

Robert Thornton (West End Rocker, brought down 6th): "I got brought down. I was jumping like a buck and thought I was in for some ride but then got brought down."

Cry gutted, I was so convinced he'd have gone close to winning.
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