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22 Dec 10
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I recall edredon bleu winning the king george a few years ago, although my knowledge was knowwhere near the depth of today.
I seem to recall it should not of be able to stay the three miles but did?
What distance did that usually excel at, and have many others who supposidly don't stay, won over three miles round here?
Sizing europe and forpaddydeplasterer anywhere else would not have a prayer of staying the three miles, but round kempton i think they could manage a place behind kauto (obviously)!
I seem to recall it should not of be able to stay the three miles but did?
What distance did that usually excel at, and have many others who supposidly don't stay, won over three miles round here?
Sizing europe and forpaddydeplasterer anywhere else would not have a prayer of staying the three miles, but round kempton i think they could manage a place behind kauto (obviously)!
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I think Sizing Europe would stay 3 miles at most courses, but im not convinced that Forpadydeplasterer will see out the 3 miles at Kempton.
both of them will stay 3miles at kempton or anywhere else for that matter
To win the King George you need to stay more than 3m its utterly brutal. Flat track but early pace is mad that's why horaes fall away and you get them strung out and biggish winning distances often. Forget doubtful stayers and rule out dodgy jumpers likee Long Run (especially with no help from the saddle)
Surely Dessert Orchid showed that if you could win at 2M at break neck pace you could win at 3M at Kempton?
Being able to get into a good rhythm to meet the specific demands of the fences at Kempton is also a key influence on who sees out the trip well.
A flat track with relatively tight turns wouldn't ordinarily be as testing as a wider, galloping track with significant undulations. But the specific combination of the fences, fairly tight turns and often good ground, together with the class and type of horse attracted to the KG, tends to produce races where the pace is pretty strong and those behind have plenty of work on from a comparatively early stage, to hold position and avoid handing too much advantage to the front runner(s).
Class and jumping ability, more than stamina in the abstract, I would say, is the key to seeing out the trip well in the KG. You need to be on a pretty clear winded horse to go that breathless pace often seen in the race. Does SE jump well enough (quickly enough, particularly) to hold position with efficient use of energy and thereby see out the trip well? Is it likely Long Run will get round without one or two significant jumping errors that will have him on the back foot and struggling to chase the strong pace? Will Riverside Theatre be able to show his so far excellent jumping at Kempton in a higher class and with more emphasis on tactical speed (I am not sure how blessed he is in that department)?
Is it possible Paddydeplasterer's run of seconds in big races over shorter distances is down to the horse being very honest and giving most of himself in those races, leaving little left to fight out a finish? Horses like Kauto Star, and even Riverside Theatre, seem to have a more economical running style. Will The Nightingale be able to cope with what is likely to be a much faster pace than he has encountered so far, particularly if the ground is some way from being soft?
Kauto Star, at his best in the KG, has made just about every other horse look like a short runner down that finishing straight. Why expect it to be any different this time would perhaps be the starting point for any analysis of the race.
Albertas Run I have as the classiest horse behind Kauto. If over that nasty fall last time, and the ground isn't too sticky, he might be interesting at current pretty long odds for a place or in the W/O Kauto market. To what extent the stable see the KG as a key target for the horse, however, is an issue and may partly account for why his price looks a bit longer in the market than it ought to be on ratings alone.
A flat track with relatively tight turns wouldn't ordinarily be as testing as a wider, galloping track with significant undulations. But the specific combination of the fences, fairly tight turns and often good ground, together with the class and type of horse attracted to the KG, tends to produce races where the pace is pretty strong and those behind have plenty of work on from a comparatively early stage, to hold position and avoid handing too much advantage to the front runner(s).
Class and jumping ability, more than stamina in the abstract, I would say, is the key to seeing out the trip well in the KG. You need to be on a pretty clear winded horse to go that breathless pace often seen in the race. Does SE jump well enough (quickly enough, particularly) to hold position with efficient use of energy and thereby see out the trip well? Is it likely Long Run will get round without one or two significant jumping errors that will have him on the back foot and struggling to chase the strong pace? Will Riverside Theatre be able to show his so far excellent jumping at Kempton in a higher class and with more emphasis on tactical speed (I am not sure how blessed he is in that department)?
Is it possible Paddydeplasterer's run of seconds in big races over shorter distances is down to the horse being very honest and giving most of himself in those races, leaving little left to fight out a finish? Horses like Kauto Star, and even Riverside Theatre, seem to have a more economical running style. Will The Nightingale be able to cope with what is likely to be a much faster pace than he has encountered so far, particularly if the ground is some way from being soft?
Kauto Star, at his best in the KG, has made just about every other horse look like a short runner down that finishing straight. Why expect it to be any different this time would perhaps be the starting point for any analysis of the race.
Albertas Run I have as the classiest horse behind Kauto. If over that nasty fall last time, and the ground isn't too sticky, he might be interesting at current pretty long odds for a place or in the W/O Kauto market. To what extent the stable see the KG as a key target for the horse, however, is an issue and may partly account for why his price looks a bit longer in the market than it ought to be on ratings alone.
Interesting stuff. If i am honest, i am on kauto already, but am still planning on getting more on, on the day, but just need to make sure (in my head) all eventualities.
My place fancy is naccarat, who appeared alot better after an apparent shoulder operation when winning at donny.
It was alot more dissapointing at haydock, but is a course specialist at kempton, and will be a back to lay bet aswell due to its front running style imo.
Although the only worry is its apparent flat spot it has in most races where it needs to fill up its longs before going on again.
Albertas run has been a shadow of the horse it previously was from what i've seen this season, and although its kempton form is not an issue, it will not even have AP on board.
To many people are reading into riverside theartres course form imo, it appears to go on any ground, but i just don't think its good enough.
My place fancy is naccarat, who appeared alot better after an apparent shoulder operation when winning at donny.
It was alot more dissapointing at haydock, but is a course specialist at kempton, and will be a back to lay bet aswell due to its front running style imo.
Although the only worry is its apparent flat spot it has in most races where it needs to fill up its longs before going on again.
Albertas run has been a shadow of the horse it previously was from what i've seen this season, and although its kempton form is not an issue, it will not even have AP on board.
To many people are reading into riverside theartres course form imo, it appears to go on any ground, but i just don't think its good enough.
What price would you lay Master Minded for next years King George ?
Albertas run is at his best in the spring,but given good ground is more than capable of running well in this.Would not take much notice of his runs so far this season.
Master minded is a horse i always thought could of gone the same route as kauto, but due to the owner wanting to keep the two horses apart has stayed over two miles mainly.
Still time, and if it did go for the king george, i would be a backer at anything bigger than 5/1.
Still time, and if it did go for the king george, i would be a backer at anything bigger than 5/1.
Forpaddydeplasterer will stay three miles at Kempton. Stay behind the winner that is ;)
Seriously, I'm with aka. Go with class and jumping ability rather than stamina. One Man is a good example. He romped home in his King George (run at Sandown that year) but always had jelly legs after three miles at Cheltenham.
Why not go with Class, Ability and Staying power. ie Kauto.
Why not indeed. There aren't (and haven't been) many like Kauto. It would kind of explain why he's going for his fifth.
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