I must give Flyingbolt credit..............

can i have a bit of evens about him swearing in reply

1.01 and that's buying money.

Have you really nothing better to do than constantly repeat the same old thing,Panto Princess ?

You must have a very empty life.

Now when are you going to pluck up the courage to say your insults to my face, you cowardly wretch ?

The lump of rotting cheese drew the limping old rodent out of his stinking litte hole then?

TWO POUNDS IS YOUR UNIT STAKE DOLE BOY. Just admit it you liar.

Or is that a slander ? Or a libel (the form of defamation that is correctly applied to written material as you should know as a renowned barrack room lawyer).


Stil waiting for the lawsuit and also some serious antepost moves for Spirit River for the Grade 1's at the Festival. I reckon the Champion Chae / Champion Hurde double which your namesake so valiantly tried to acheieve could be well within scope.

You sully that brave craeture's name. Change it please.

Panty Prince - I find myself in the hitherto unprecedented situation where I'm happy to defend Bolty (though nothing against him.....he does seem to enjoy trouble) insofar as to say whatever anybody stakes on their horses.....does it really matter? We can't all be successful millionnaire businessmen like your good self so I reckon you should pipe down on that score. Do you think that people who back small stakes have an unworthy contribution to sensible debates on this forum? FWIW, you recommended New Approach as one of your best over the last three decades, so even if you are loaded (which is questionable) the credibility of your opinion has taken a sharp dive!

Differing opinions about the relative merits of New Approach are one thing. You are entitled to that , you put it in a polite fashion and that is fine. You dont seem to want to comment on my selection of Dancing Brave as clearly the best of them all though. Actually agreeing with  or endorsing someone isn't your style (unless of course you are one of the jonny **** lately Sea The Stars lovers).

As for Flyingbolt he has such an aggressive style and winds so many people up on here trying to have constructive debates about horses I think its worth pointing out that he lies about his stakes.

Thanks for your post.

Flyingbolt is fine. He has the bottle,gumption and guts to say what he is backing and why.

This nonsense about £2 stakes is a feeble attempt to try and discredit him. And im not sure why you speak of being a pro on a regular basis.

By: This user is online. Panto Prince
Date Joined: 06 Mar 10 Add contact | Send message When: 11 Dec 10 20:02 hemsby - sayinig that someone 'doesn't suffer fools gladly' implies that they are imbued with some sort of enhanced level of judgement and insight - that that person is somehow better. cleverer or more worthy than others. Its normally used by arrogant older people who think they have some status and rights conferred on them based on wisdom and experience - its actually an arrogant caim (admittedly Flyingbolt isnt making that claim himself).

I simply don't accept that Flyingbolt is any smarter or better informed than dozens of far more polite , constructive and pleasant forumites on here. Furthermore those that do make reasoned, well thought through and often prospective judgments run the risk of being ridiculed or pedantically criticized over trivial insomsistencies. These outbursts add nothing to the debate.

That is all.

Take your own advice, I suggest, PP

PP - you're delusional or ignorant at the very least. You surmise that Sea The Stars is my version of the best of the last three decades. If I was to be a 'guesser' like you, I'd think about consulting the best over 30 years thread first - there might be a clue in there. I was the first person who posted that Dancing Brave was the best in every category! 8/10/12 furlongs...and the July Cup too! PS - absolutely nothing at all against Sea The Stars (how could anyone?) but your New Approach.....his career form is available on many websites for anyone to have a good laugh at and if he ever would've met STS, Kinane wouldn't have needed his whip - a far superior horse!

No idea what all this is about but if PP has been trying to argue that New Approach is the best horse of the last 30 years then he really is in trouble[smiley:crazy]

New Approach   

Clueless as well as a coward.

BTW Princess........ forum's are not considered legally as written word so slander is correct not libel.

One day you might get something right you gutless cretin.

Bolty - are you off again!
PS - is that right about slander?

That is what I was told,Harchi..........and it's not me this time. This pathetic runt has been stalking me for weeks.

Agree about Dancing Brave btw.

For a change.....I know it's not you!

PP.  I'll tell you about flyingbolt.
He has been a good friend for over 20 years, who has more racing knowledge (especially NH) than any man I have personally met. FB never lies, and does not speak unless necessary. He bets in far larger sums than than myself, (which matters not a jot), and has the same "druid countenance" whether he has won a bundle or done his brains. The latter being seldom.
A more mischievous side to his character is far more often seen on these pages

PP is a fkn cretin, please ignore him.
FB is a top man.

Thanks for continuing to bump this thread lads. Sorry for Bolty that Big Buck's got snowed off was a shrood punt.

Oh and sorry uncle I was arguing that Dancing Brave is the best horse of the last 30 years. Perhaps you should actually look at the thread concerned (greatest flat horses of the last 30 years) and draw your own coonclusions. Those that have been watching racing less than 5 years naturally prefer Sea The Stars.

PP - you sound like you're on commission.....it's not pay-per-click!

£2 per click apparently

just for the record from the greatest in last 3 years thread:

By: This user is online. Panto Prince Date Joined: 06 Mar 10
Add contact | Send message When: 16 Dec 10 23:56 No horse in my ifetime has won a Derby after running as free as New Approach did in the first half mile. That is the measure of  the horse. Not saying it was in the Nijinsky/Sea Bird / Mill Reef/ Nashwan league but neither is Sea the Stars. The collateral form of his Derby makes him worth about 115.

People who are new to the game think they have seen something special as it was a good loking sort with lots of 1's after its name. Dancing Brave was a pig to look at by comparison but would have beaten STS with 7lb of lead under the saddle without leaving the steel. Perspective please ladies and gents.

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WHAT A PATHETIC THREAD.

EVEN IF HE BETS 2 POUND WHAT THE HELL HAS IT GOT TO DO WITH ANYONE ELSE?

GET A LIFE PANTO YOU PATHETIC GIMP.

I claim the £2 bet on Big Bucks at evens.

I was quite proud of that carefully laid plot until the weather intervened, it never happened to Yellow Sam!

^ unbelievably shrewd gambler

hard lines though

Mr Eboue is a £2 punter (Nap)

We never saw the best of New Approach imo, if he had stayed in training he would have given STS a race imo. The one day he raced in a professional manner was his Champion Stakes and look what he did to Twice over, His collateral Guineas form with Henry and Ravens pass was also topclass as seen by their exploits in America. STS verses New Approach over one mile two would have been an amazing race, one would have to favour STS but just like we never got to the bottom of STS, we never got to the bottom of New Approach. I think he may just have been one of the best, reading between the lines though

Mr E is no £2 punter - you should see the restaurants he hangs out in!!

How was your gastronomic extravagance the other weekend Mr E - any money left?

This thread is all that is wrong with this forum. We should all agree that we all mass block posters like this. I mean honestly what is difficult about being pleasant? What is so bad with getting things wrong? We all do it, I am happy to admit when I get things wrong.

I also have no problem saying I followed someone else's selection and thanking posters like Far From Trouble and Platini for big priced winners like Planet of Sound and Almost Waining respectively. I get some right too like Poquelin, but I wouldn't go gloat and have go at someone who got their selection wrong. Why would you?

Posters like buddeliea and Steeplechasing for example are people who I seem to never agree with on most things but I never get into arguments with them. In fact I find them two of the best posters because of that, what good is everyone agreeing? I want discussion, I want people who see things differently to me, I want to look at why I get things wrong and others got it right. That's how I can get better at this.

What we don't need on here are people with the kind of attitude of this panto prince and eric_morris / kirk. So we should get together and collectively block these users with the new forum beta feature.

I used to really like this forum. Two years ago this was a great place to discuss this sport. It'll never reach those levels again. Pity.

CV - I've never though Eric Morris was a pain in the arse. I've disagreed with quite a few of his posts and he's not given me any grief. As you state.....sometimes you like to hear contrasting views, even if I'm convinced they're wrong!

CV
Very well articulated. Like you, I used to really enjoy these pages, which have sadly been infiltrated by a few but very loud empty vessels.

How highly would you rate New Approach lads? I'm going to try and put it in context by saying better than Rip Van Winkle, the same level as Henry and Ravens ( I think there could be a different result each time these three raced, especially over 10 furlongs) and a bit behind STS and Zarkava. I've always found this lad a very interesting who like RVW didn't fulfill his potential.

Panto - i am not a 2 pound punter.

But what if I was.

Does putting a 2 pound bet on make a person any less of a man?

There's OAP's in every bookies in the country who have a few quid on every race. Do you suggest cashiers simply dont take thier bets?

Sawyer - Food was excellent at all 3 restaurants. When I get the time I'll write a little report on the best eateries in town.

Neill - I think the saddest thing of all from that outstanding crop of 3yo was the retirement of Ravens Pass. It had only just begun to grow into its skin in the Breeders Cup and out of all of them had the class , temprament and scope to go on and become a superstar - would have loved to have seen an international campaign over 1m / 10f taking in the World Cup.

I think New Approach was on two particular days really top class and don't forget it was in front 10 yards before and 10 yards after the line at Newmarket. If you say it on here you get roundly lambasted by the STS fan club but at Epsom , in particular , I think New Approach would have gone very close to beating STS.

That said nothing gets close to Dancing Brave and Nijinsky that I have seen but most posters on here think the Flat started in 2006 so they don't get much loving on here. Funnily enough Flyingbolt is someone who speaks with a bit of authority on such matters but its 1.01 that his next post is a weights and measures diss up of my New Approach opinion.

I'm pretty sure NA has a big timeform figure, and that Mordin rates him v highly as well. I think he was 130 rated by the official handicapper also, It is more the perception of the racing public that STS would canter all over him tbh, I think he was a really good horse in an exceptional year and it does seem sometimes that the exploits of STS have hung over of the likes of him, Ravens Pass and to a lesser extent Zarkava. I have no doubt that STS was a great horse but the peers that he raced against apart from Rip Van Winkle weren't up to that much in my eyes. I think if NA had been around the same year and faced the same horses  STS faced he'd have been unbeaten as well

The only problem with NA was temprament which would have probably resulted in a defeat at some point IMO. The Raven's Pass /STS/NA issue raises something that I have long advocated which is the abolition of weight for age in the European Pattern system. It would then become virtualy impossible for a 3yo to win an all aged G1 unless they were truly exceptional. That way they could never be described as a true champion and unlock their real stallion potential until they had raced and won G1's at Four. This would aso ensure that tempramentally unsound horses , such as NA, would have to prove  themselves over a longer period to really deliver the big bucks as stallions. We should be breeding resillience, soundness and solid racecourse temprament into the gene pool. I am staggered that Montjeu is so popular getting so many nutters and softies (mixed with a few good ones for sure!).

PP - I am staggered that Montjeu is so popular getting so many nutters and softies (mixed with a few good ones for sure!).
Really? Did he sire Panto Prince?

Panto Prince was / is extremely straightforward.

Unlike your good self

I'd fancy Panto in a head bobber against Harchibald though.

PP - to be honest.....so would I