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22 Nov 10
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Is there a market for how many lengths this horse wins the Hennessey by? I'm thinking 14.
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Both Pandorama and Silver By Nature are best in bogs. Think Mythical Prince's assessment is off the mark with regards to the likely going. I'd predict a going description of good to soft, good in places come Saturday.
Long lay off not a concern as he was ready to run 2 weeks ago, has had a racecourse school since too.
Any explanations from the trainer why Pandorama was found to be bleeding at the start of his prep race?....doesn't fill you with any confidence to be competing in a race like the Hennessey.
No, looks like he banged his nose, scoped clear that evening/next morning.
Schooled over 2miles at Punchestown since under Timmy Carroll, travelled over today.
Schooled over 2miles at Punchestown since under Timmy Carroll, travelled over today.
thanks for the info downallstar. the nose bleed not a concern to me because noel meade said he thinks he must have bumped it on something. pandorama is top class and everything is giving him far too much weight end of story. roll on saturday
downallstar
25 Nov 10 00:10 No, looks like he banged his nose, scoped clear that evening/next morning.
Schooled over 2miles at Punchestown since under Timmy Carroll, travelled over today.
Thanks for the info, Noel.
25 Nov 10 00:10 No, looks like he banged his nose, scoped clear that evening/next morning.
Schooled over 2miles at Punchestown since under Timmy Carroll, travelled over today.
Thanks for the info, Noel.
Pandorama no chance beat lenabane 4 and half lengths leop levels
burton port beat same horse 6 and half lenghts at aintree levels
Burton Port only 6 yr old so has more improvement in him
burton port ties in with weird al on a line through long run.
Burton port taken to the cleaners by Diamond Harry so there you have your hennessy winner !
burton port beat same horse 6 and half lenghts at aintree levels
Burton Port only 6 yr old so has more improvement in him
burton port ties in with weird al on a line through long run.
Burton port taken to the cleaners by Diamond Harry so there you have your hennessy winner !
pandorama beat the RSA winner off levels in similar ground to tomorrow!
is unbeaten over fences
has only even been beat on debut and once more by mikael d'hag in his whole career, he has an outstanding chance!
is unbeaten over fences
has only even been beat on debut and once more by mikael d'hag in his whole career, he has an outstanding chance!
The rsa was run on a lot quicker ground than is the case tomorrow the big shouldered horses like d harry and punchestown never stood a chance at cheltenham it was a rank bad sun alliance and if you fancy pandorama due to him beating weapons amnesty at leop just read the thread again with lenabane that form doesn't entitle him to beat burton port.
Repeat pandorama bt lenabane 4 half of levels leop
burton port bt lenabane 6 half of levels aintree
That makes burton port the better bet like i said he was only a 6 yr old last year so has more improvement in him.
Don't follow hype follow the form book !
Repeat pandorama bt lenabane 4 half of levels leop
burton port bt lenabane 6 half of levels aintree
That makes burton port the better bet like i said he was only a 6 yr old last year so has more improvement in him.
Don't follow hype follow the form book !
Pandorama beat Weapons amnesty a nose off levels at leop
Weapons amnesty beat burton port 7 lengths off levels at chelt
Now who comes out best on form lines?
Racing isnt as simple as taking 1 form line and thinking it will be proven over and over!!
Oh and im a denman fan cmon the tank
Weapons amnesty beat burton port 7 lengths off levels at chelt
Now who comes out best on form lines?
Racing isnt as simple as taking 1 form line and thinking it will be proven over and over!!
Oh and im a denman fan cmon the tank
sounds like splitting hairs imo
and I thought the ground that day Pando beat WA was plenty testing which it wont be tomorrow. Probably going to be quite tacky
and I thought the ground that day Pando beat WA was plenty testing which it wont be tomorrow. Probably going to be quite tacky
Come On Hardy Joined: 18 Apr 06
Replies: 12 26 Nov 10 23:31
Pandorama beat Weapons amnesty a nose off levels at leop
Weapons amnesty beat burton port 7 lengths off levels at chelt
Now who comes out best on form lines?
Racing isnt as simple as taking 1 form line and thinking it will be proven over and over!!
Oh and im a denman fan cmon the tank
CORRECT!
squig's never loses using his collaterl form line theory! has the game by the b0llocks imo
Replies: 12 26 Nov 10 23:31
Pandorama beat Weapons amnesty a nose off levels at leop
Weapons amnesty beat burton port 7 lengths off levels at chelt
Now who comes out best on form lines?
Racing isnt as simple as taking 1 form line and thinking it will be proven over and over!!
Oh and im a denman fan cmon the tank
CORRECT!
squig's never loses using his collaterl form line theory! has the game by the b0llocks imo
Ah if only I could read form like squiggy and I would be a millionaire. FWIW the ground at Newbury although isn't soft is very testing from what I have seen. It's going to take a real slogger to win tmoz.
Meade hasn't uttered one word of concern about the ground.
Noel Meade took his place in the stands at Down Royal before the Grade 2 two-and-a-half-mile chase two weeks ago. He could hardly have been happier with Pandorama. His work had been great, he had schooled well, the horse was exactly where he wanted him to be, and this was the ideal starting point in a season that could lead to God only knew where.
He watched through his binoculars as Pandorama cantered down to the start under Paul Carberry, his easy movement carrying him effortlessly over the ground. Butterflies. Even now, almost 40 years after he took out a licence, five champion trainer awards later, he gets nervous before he sends out a good one.
“I don’t care who you are,” declares the trainer. “Michael Stoute or Henry Cecil or Aidan O’Brien, you’re always going to be nervous before one of your good horses runs.”
He watched on the big screen as they circled at the start, and he saw the starter examining his horse. He thought at first that they were checking his noseband, his equipment, but it soon became apparent that there was more to it than that. He took out his phone to ring Paddy Graffin, who was looking at the horse with the vet, but because he was in the North, and becasue he didn’t have the international dialling code keyed into his phone, the call didn’t connect. He raced down the stands and into the weigh room, from where he was able to talk to the starter via walkie-talkie.
There was a trickle of blood on Pandorama’s nose. It didn’t look too serious, the horse seemed fine, he cantered a couple of hundred yards away and back to the start, and Paul said he felt fine, but the trainer was in no doubt about the best course of action. Take him out. You couldn’t take a chance. Not with a horse as good as Pandorama. If he had been a low-grade handicapper, maybe you could have let him run, but not Pandorama.
“This horse had won eight of his nine races,” recalls Meade now, sitting in his office, two weeks on. “He was favourite for the race, and here he was with a bit of blood on his nose. If I had let him run and he had run badly, I would have kicked myself for starters, but everybody else would have kicked me as well, probably before I got the chance.”
As it turned out, it wasn’t serious. The blood was coming from a little pouch just inside the horse’s nose, not from his lungs, and that was crucial. It was largely a superficial cut, he probably banged it in the box or in his stable. He could have run, it almost certainly wouldn’t have affected his performance, much in the same way as a nose bleed wouldn’t really affect a human’s performance. Even so, Meade is glad he didn’t take the chance.
In terms of planning Pandorama’s route this season, his withdrawal from the Down Royal race was barely a bump. Next Saturday’s Hennessy Gold Cup at Newbury has been his early-season target for quite some time. In terms of preparation, it would have been ideal if he had been able to run at Down Royal, but he is fit, he is close to his optimum racing weight, and Meade was able to get a good gallop into him at Punchestown last weekend instead, which should put him spot on.
“I was thinking,” says Meade slowly, “that if Paul Nicholls let one of his good horses run in it, we would get in off 10 stone, even though we would be out of the weights. But when you think about it, if we didn’t run in the Hennessy, we’d be looking at the John Durkan or the Lexus, and we’d be meeting all those good horses on level weights. The Hennessy was the obvious race.”
Meade has known Hennessy heartache before. Harbour Pilot 2002, the Kays Syndicate’s horse had travelled and jumped well through the race, and he had just about put his head in front on the run to the final fence. Paul Carberry saw a stride, one, two, up, only Harbour Pilot didn’t. The horse wasn’t certain, he took another little stride for himself, got in too close, and belted the middle of the fence. He did well to stand on his feet, but he lost all momentum and all chance, and he did well to stay on to pass the post in third place.
“That was a tough one,” rues the trainer. “If he had jumped the last, he surely would have won. The Hennessy is a great race, it’s one of those old races, steeped in tradition and with big prize money. It would be a great one to win.”
You can tell that the trainer struggles to curb his enthusiasm when he talks about Pandorama. Phrases like nice horse and good chance mask the regard in which he holds the son of Flemensfirth to an extent, but they don’t conceal it completely. His body language gives it away. The thought that he puts into the adjectives that he uses, the effort to side-step the superlatives. He remembers going down to see the horse, on the instigation of then owner and trainer John Halley, after he had won his point-to-point at Dungarvan, and being impressed.
“I was after buying Parsons Pistol from John the previous year,” recalls Meade. “He was a good horse, but John told me that this fellow was better. He asked me a price for him, and I just said okay. There were a good few people interested in him at the time, so I didn’t bid John or offer him a price, I just said grand, I’d have him at that. I think a couple of people might have been disappointed that they didn’t get a second chance to bid.”
Pandorama won his two bumpers, won his maiden hurdle and a Grade 2 novices’ hurdle, then got beaten by Mikael D’Haguenet in the Grade 1 Barry & Sandra Kelly Memorial Hurdle at Navan in mid-December 2008. Most people were disappointed with that, as most people usually are when a 2/7 shot gets beaten, but Meade wasn’t too preturbed. Mikael D’Haguenet, Willie Mullins’s horse, had beaten his Realt Dubh three weeks previously, and he knew how good Realt Dubh was.
Meade caught Willie’s attention on the walk back to the winner’s enclosure.
“That’s the best novice you have,” he told Willie.
Willie twisted his face in a do-you-really-think-so way.
“I’m telling you,” said Meade. “I know how good my fellow is, and how good Realt Dubh is. He’s your best.”
Mikael D’Haguenet won his next four, two Grade 2s and two Grade 1s, including the Ballymore Hurdle at the 2008 Cheltenham Festival.
Pandorama didn’t go to the 2008 Cheltenham Festival. He won the Grade 1 Deloitte Hurdle at Leopardstown that February – probably fortuitously as Cousin Vinny departed at the last, apparently with the race in the bag – and Meade toyed with the idea of going to Cheltenham, but he wasn’t sure. He and Paul Carberry discussed it at the Texaco Sports Awards the following week.
“Cheltenham is probably not the thing for him this season,” ventured Paul. “He could win the Ballymore, but he would be on top of his head the whole way, and it wouldn’t do him any good. This fellow could be a Gold Cup horse. Why would you risk ruining his chance of winning a Gold Cup?”
It was rhetorical. Pandorama stayed at home.
Meade doesn’t say it, but this is his Gold Cup year. He is seven, he will be eight next March, the ideal age for a Gold Cup horse. He won all three of the novice chases that he contested last year, including the Grade 1 Knight Frank Chase at Leopardstown’s Christmas Festival, when he beat subsequent RSA Chase winner Weapon’s Amnesty by a short head. His potential is boundless.
The road that will take him deep into this National Hunt season starts at Newbury on Saturday. Noel Meade will be watching from the stands, nervous again.
He watched through his binoculars as Pandorama cantered down to the start under Paul Carberry, his easy movement carrying him effortlessly over the ground. Butterflies. Even now, almost 40 years after he took out a licence, five champion trainer awards later, he gets nervous before he sends out a good one.
“I don’t care who you are,” declares the trainer. “Michael Stoute or Henry Cecil or Aidan O’Brien, you’re always going to be nervous before one of your good horses runs.”
He watched on the big screen as they circled at the start, and he saw the starter examining his horse. He thought at first that they were checking his noseband, his equipment, but it soon became apparent that there was more to it than that. He took out his phone to ring Paddy Graffin, who was looking at the horse with the vet, but because he was in the North, and becasue he didn’t have the international dialling code keyed into his phone, the call didn’t connect. He raced down the stands and into the weigh room, from where he was able to talk to the starter via walkie-talkie.
There was a trickle of blood on Pandorama’s nose. It didn’t look too serious, the horse seemed fine, he cantered a couple of hundred yards away and back to the start, and Paul said he felt fine, but the trainer was in no doubt about the best course of action. Take him out. You couldn’t take a chance. Not with a horse as good as Pandorama. If he had been a low-grade handicapper, maybe you could have let him run, but not Pandorama.
“This horse had won eight of his nine races,” recalls Meade now, sitting in his office, two weeks on. “He was favourite for the race, and here he was with a bit of blood on his nose. If I had let him run and he had run badly, I would have kicked myself for starters, but everybody else would have kicked me as well, probably before I got the chance.”
As it turned out, it wasn’t serious. The blood was coming from a little pouch just inside the horse’s nose, not from his lungs, and that was crucial. It was largely a superficial cut, he probably banged it in the box or in his stable. He could have run, it almost certainly wouldn’t have affected his performance, much in the same way as a nose bleed wouldn’t really affect a human’s performance. Even so, Meade is glad he didn’t take the chance.
In terms of planning Pandorama’s route this season, his withdrawal from the Down Royal race was barely a bump. Next Saturday’s Hennessy Gold Cup at Newbury has been his early-season target for quite some time. In terms of preparation, it would have been ideal if he had been able to run at Down Royal, but he is fit, he is close to his optimum racing weight, and Meade was able to get a good gallop into him at Punchestown last weekend instead, which should put him spot on.
“I was thinking,” says Meade slowly, “that if Paul Nicholls let one of his good horses run in it, we would get in off 10 stone, even though we would be out of the weights. But when you think about it, if we didn’t run in the Hennessy, we’d be looking at the John Durkan or the Lexus, and we’d be meeting all those good horses on level weights. The Hennessy was the obvious race.”
Meade has known Hennessy heartache before. Harbour Pilot 2002, the Kays Syndicate’s horse had travelled and jumped well through the race, and he had just about put his head in front on the run to the final fence. Paul Carberry saw a stride, one, two, up, only Harbour Pilot didn’t. The horse wasn’t certain, he took another little stride for himself, got in too close, and belted the middle of the fence. He did well to stand on his feet, but he lost all momentum and all chance, and he did well to stay on to pass the post in third place.
“That was a tough one,” rues the trainer. “If he had jumped the last, he surely would have won. The Hennessy is a great race, it’s one of those old races, steeped in tradition and with big prize money. It would be a great one to win.”
You can tell that the trainer struggles to curb his enthusiasm when he talks about Pandorama. Phrases like nice horse and good chance mask the regard in which he holds the son of Flemensfirth to an extent, but they don’t conceal it completely. His body language gives it away. The thought that he puts into the adjectives that he uses, the effort to side-step the superlatives. He remembers going down to see the horse, on the instigation of then owner and trainer John Halley, after he had won his point-to-point at Dungarvan, and being impressed.
“I was after buying Parsons Pistol from John the previous year,” recalls Meade. “He was a good horse, but John told me that this fellow was better. He asked me a price for him, and I just said okay. There were a good few people interested in him at the time, so I didn’t bid John or offer him a price, I just said grand, I’d have him at that. I think a couple of people might have been disappointed that they didn’t get a second chance to bid.”
Pandorama won his two bumpers, won his maiden hurdle and a Grade 2 novices’ hurdle, then got beaten by Mikael D’Haguenet in the Grade 1 Barry & Sandra Kelly Memorial Hurdle at Navan in mid-December 2008. Most people were disappointed with that, as most people usually are when a 2/7 shot gets beaten, but Meade wasn’t too preturbed. Mikael D’Haguenet, Willie Mullins’s horse, had beaten his Realt Dubh three weeks previously, and he knew how good Realt Dubh was.
Meade caught Willie’s attention on the walk back to the winner’s enclosure.
“That’s the best novice you have,” he told Willie.
Willie twisted his face in a do-you-really-think-so way.
“I’m telling you,” said Meade. “I know how good my fellow is, and how good Realt Dubh is. He’s your best.”
Mikael D’Haguenet won his next four, two Grade 2s and two Grade 1s, including the Ballymore Hurdle at the 2008 Cheltenham Festival.
Pandorama didn’t go to the 2008 Cheltenham Festival. He won the Grade 1 Deloitte Hurdle at Leopardstown that February – probably fortuitously as Cousin Vinny departed at the last, apparently with the race in the bag – and Meade toyed with the idea of going to Cheltenham, but he wasn’t sure. He and Paul Carberry discussed it at the Texaco Sports Awards the following week.
“Cheltenham is probably not the thing for him this season,” ventured Paul. “He could win the Ballymore, but he would be on top of his head the whole way, and it wouldn’t do him any good. This fellow could be a Gold Cup horse. Why would you risk ruining his chance of winning a Gold Cup?”
It was rhetorical. Pandorama stayed at home.
Meade doesn’t say it, but this is his Gold Cup year. He is seven, he will be eight next March, the ideal age for a Gold Cup horse. He won all three of the novice chases that he contested last year, including the Grade 1 Knight Frank Chase at Leopardstown’s Christmas Festival, when he beat subsequent RSA Chase winner Weapon’s Amnesty by a short head. His potential is boundless.
The road that will take him deep into this National Hunt season starts at Newbury on Saturday. Noel Meade will be watching from the stands, nervous again.
i fooking love mikael, superstar, love him!!
Looks like something up with this beast after the terrible showing today.
didn;t he get hampered early on by the falls of Madison and Neptune ..
yup, hampered by the fall, which maybe spooked him a bit, he made a right hash of the next. Game over after that.
It was game over long before he got hampered, just wasn't travelling at all.
He put in a bad jump early and lost a few places, then was badly hampered by the two fallers. Deserves another chance.
Couldn't write him off after that.
1 poor jump then hampered and looked spooked. Carberry didn't look in total control after being hampered and absolutely clouted the next. Game over. I was really disappointed but when I saw the replay he didn't have much of a chance after the fallers in front of him. As has been said a lot lately horses need to find a rhythm and poor Pando had no chance.
1 poor jump then hampered and looked spooked. Carberry didn't look in total control after being hampered and absolutely clouted the next. Game over. I was really disappointed but when I saw the replay he didn't have much of a chance after the fallers in front of him. As has been said a lot lately horses need to find a rhythm and poor Pando had no chance.
Small field soft ground Irish chase to get confidence back next stop.
defo worth another chance. Hope he's not another Beef or Salmon....
Jumped first, clouted 2nd, badly hampered 3rd, walked though 4th, popped over 5th, eased and pulled up entering home straight.
If he's anything as good as Beef Or Salmon, I'm sure connections will be delighted!
could prob pick up some of the irish g1s given that they can be quite easy to win sometimes
wouldn't be surprised if something was amiss....he was fooked from the first fence onwards....need his confidence building up again too i don't doubt.
dont often see the hennessy won from the back? performance a bit disappointing from him and wierd al. i never thought wierd al had the pace to win a race like it but maybe something was amiss. im sure il be put straight by some ppl who rave about him too bad by both to be true though id say
too bad by both to be true though id say
Weird Al left his race with Little Josh. Pando just had too much going on for his first run back and IMO it will turn out he was just unlucky.
Yes I would defo give him another chance after that.
Masterminded Joined: 24 Jun 08
Replies: 1102 28 Nov 10 09:42
Weird Al left his race with Little Josh. Pando just had too much going on for his first run back and IMO it will turn out he was just unlucky.
I see what you're saying, and it's quite possibly true, but on that basis, then surely Little Josh would have had little chance of winning the Paddy Power, which came a week earlier than the Hennessy?
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Weird Al left his race with Little Josh. Pando just had too much going on for his first run back and IMO it will turn out he was just unlucky.
I see what you're saying, and it's quite possibly true, but on that basis, then surely Little Josh would have had little chance of winning the Paddy Power, which came a week earlier than the Hennessy?
Little Josh was carrying a lot less weight. After the race there was some real concern over Weird Al staggering around and almost collapsing from what I was told. I do think if Weird Al is given some time he could still become a Gold Cup contender but that was the reason I could not back him in the Hennessey.
sorry it was only 6lbs less so not a huge amount but still less at a more suited distance!
Weird Al needed oxygen after the race at Carlisle I think (or at least finished distressed).I'm one of the ones who raved about him but I'd leave well alone next time - horse is talented but perhaps does n't has strongest constitution.
Don't see how Pandorama can be described as unlucky - just overrated to me - significant that yesterday was his first race outside Ireland. May well not have been his true running but I'd want to take him on anywhere this side of the water after that.
Don't see how Pandorama can be described as unlucky - just overrated to me - significant that yesterday was his first race outside Ireland. May well not have been his true running but I'd want to take him on anywhere this side of the water after that.
Has anyone heard anything back from connections regarding the horse?
Nightmare run. Wasn't at the races. The below synopsis from downallstar was spot on
Jumped first, clouted 2nd, badly hampered 3rd, walked though 4th, popped over 5th, eased and pulled up entering home straight.
Small field, soft ground in the Lexus will be right up his hoop!!
Nightmare run. Wasn't at the races. The below synopsis from downallstar was spot on
Jumped first, clouted 2nd, badly hampered 3rd, walked though 4th, popped over 5th, eased and pulled up entering home straight.
Small field, soft ground in the Lexus will be right up his hoop!!
.....and Joncol's and Cooldine's and Glencove Marina's and Kempes' etc
Deserves another chance but not what I was hoping/expecting to see.
Rease it was the horses first race in 11 months, give the horse a break.
Absolutely baffling to call the horse overrated having only been beaten once and was clearly never going in the Hennessey yesterday.
You judge pandorama on that run. Any horse that beats weapons amnesty in a G1 when Charles Byrnes has backed his own horse is a serious horse. Weapons Amnesty then hacked up in the RSA. I backed burton Port myself due to concerns about ground and lack of a run regarding Pandorama and Carberry on board (Think horse gets on a lot better with D condon). I would have no hestitaion inn backing Pandarama to beat Diamond Harry in the Lexus over Christmas proving he has come out of this race injury free.
i agree. hes obviously better than yesterdays running suggested
I have to disagree, Reve.
Being a multiple Grade 1 winner, Pandorama imo is about as good as he showed yesterday. He would have had to overperform to get past the 6th fence imo. Yesterday is obviously about Pandorama's measure.
Being a multiple Grade 1 winner, Pandorama imo is about as good as he showed yesterday. He would have had to overperform to get past the 6th fence imo. Yesterday is obviously about Pandorama's measure.
OK, overrated perhaps a bit harsh but in what way was he unlucky yesterday? Not ready, maybe but he was neer going well enough to be called unlucky.
If the horse has Gold Cup pretensions, it looks increasingly likely he'll turn up at Cheltenham having never seen the place on his second visit to these shores having run a stinker on the first (and possibly needing a bit of cut in the ground).
Would be a massive leap of faith to back him for that race - and I doubt he'll beat Diamond Harry in the Lexus because the latter won't be there.
Appreciate - as I stated in original post - that yday was n't his true running but there are plenty of doubts for me irrespective of collateral form with the British second season novices via WA.
If the horse has Gold Cup pretensions, it looks increasingly likely he'll turn up at Cheltenham having never seen the place on his second visit to these shores having run a stinker on the first (and possibly needing a bit of cut in the ground).
Would be a massive leap of faith to back him for that race - and I doubt he'll beat Diamond Harry in the Lexus because the latter won't be there.
Appreciate - as I stated in original post - that yday was n't his true running but there are plenty of doubts for me irrespective of collateral form with the British second season novices via WA.
Would suggest you watch the replay. he was knocked out of the race very early on and the jockey accepted it.
I've watched it Prince, he was hampered at the third but was n't going well before that.
He put in a bad jump, then got seriously hampered, so two things combined cost him any chance pretty early. It was the first run in 11 months. Can't believe anyone is trying to read anything into that race yesterday. How can a horse who doesn't even run a fraction of the race be judged.
I'm just sceptical generally CV - the fact he has n't run for 11 months makes me sceptical as does the fact he's never made it to the Festival, bangs his nose and misses Hennessy prelim.I'll hold my hands up if the horse proves me wrong - won't be the first time or the last.
Mr. R. Walsh thought his price was skinny enough yday!
If he hacks up in the Lexus I'll post on here and acknowledge it.Do you think he's likely to win the Gold Cup?
Mr. R. Walsh thought his price was skinny enough yday!
If he hacks up in the Lexus I'll post on here and acknowledge it.Do you think he's likely to win the Gold Cup?
Noel Meade might get Pandorama back on the course at Christmas after a series of mishaps forced Paul Carberry to pull him up early in the race.
"He's just got back and seems OK," said the County Meath trainer.
"It was just most unfortunate. He made a bad mistake at the second fence, ran into the fallers at the fourth, then he made another mistake at the next.
"I'd doubt very much he'd go for the Durkan (Punchestown) now - we'll probably wait.
"We might run him at Christmas, but I haven't really thought about it yet."
"He's just got back and seems OK," said the County Meath trainer.
"It was just most unfortunate. He made a bad mistake at the second fence, ran into the fallers at the fourth, then he made another mistake at the next.
"I'd doubt very much he'd go for the Durkan (Punchestown) now - we'll probably wait.
"We might run him at Christmas, but I haven't really thought about it yet."
i think they should try a set of glasses for pandoramas next run because it looked to me as if he didn't notice the 2nd fence was there....and yes i'm bitter as i backed him and was expecting a big run
Reaseheath, owner said he might go straight for the Gold Cup or he may run in the lexus beforehand. He will be/is entered in the Lexis and if he doesnt go straight to the Gold Cup this seems the only option considered for him and I would fancy Pandorama to beat him there provided he came out of Newbury unhurt
And R Walsh totally wrote off Burton Ports chances before hand to. Ruby is honest when giving his opinion but he is always biased towards Nichols/Mullins horses when giving his views
Could be another one who is better suited by small field races on Irish winter ground. See no reason to think he can't make his mark in some of those races in good company in future.
Willie, fair enough - yes, I nearly acknowledged Ruby's comments about Burton Port but left them out as they did n't suit my argument!
Anyone else peed off at all these horses going "straight for the Gold Cup"? It's only November ffs!
^ What next Kauto pulled out of the King George!?
far cry from 06/07 where Kauto and Exotic ran 6/7 times each
Sign of the times methinks. The NH season seems to revolve around Cheltenham more and more these days
He's a winter horse for sure, March in Cheltenham is unlikely to suit him.
He's clearly a class act and every horse should be forgiven one run and a seasonal debut, whatever happened.
He's clearly a class act and every horse should be forgiven one run and a seasonal debut, whatever happened.
lightly raced animal- first race in 11months, in england, in a race of this size, against proven g1 horses... why did i back him? ebcause he could be special.. lets wait and see
If he ever runs in a big field again, expect him 2 be front rank getting a clear view of the fences.carburys waiting tactics just dont suit in big fields.
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Nightmare run. Wasn't at the races. The below synopsis from downallstar was spot on
Jumped first, clouted 2nd, badly hampered 3rd, walked though 4th, popped over 5th, eased and pulled up entering home straight.
Small field, soft ground in the Lexus will be right up his hoop!!
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Joncol wont be winning any more left races going left handed not the amount of ground he loses at each fence, especially when under pressure. Something definetly looks amiss
Date Joined: 05 Oct 05 Add contact When: 28 Nov 10 12:15 Has anyone heard anything back from connections regarding the horse?
Nightmare run. Wasn't at the races. The below synopsis from downallstar was spot on
Jumped first, clouted 2nd, badly hampered 3rd, walked though 4th, popped over 5th, eased and pulled up entering home straight.
Small field, soft ground in the Lexus will be right up his hoop!!
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Date Joined: 13 Mar 04 Add contact When: 28 Nov 10 12:19 .....and Joncol's and Cooldine's and Glencove Marina's and Kempes' etc
Joncol wont be winning any more left races going left handed not the amount of ground he loses at each fence, especially when under pressure. Something definetly looks amiss
He proved today how unlucky he was in the Hennessey. Hope you all kept the faith this is a serious horse!
No better sight in horse racing than Paul Carberry taking a pull going down to the last fence/hurdle in a Grade One. Particularly if you've backed him. Have to say, Pandorama isn't a horse I fell in love with immediately but thought he was a big price today on the groud and would now rate him Ireland's best chance in the Gold Cup. I think they'll train him for the Irish Hennessy though and then head to Cheltenham as a kind of an overthought. Not suggesting the Gold Cup isn't on their minds but I think the easier Irish race will probably take priority on more suitable ground.
again, if gets his ground then yes, got a saver at 50s (i think it was that) but wouldnt fancy it unless weather was poor
Could be a strange race this season the Gold Cup as it is a transitional year for a few of the better horses in all likelihood and it could open the race up to the younger horses.
i still wouldnt rule out what a friend, nicholls said at start of season he isnt as far forward as the rest after the wind op, then ran in the betfair because they obv had denman in the hennessy. should come on alot for the run, i still like it. also like pride of dulcote, good hurdles form (half length 2nd to weapons amnesty and staying on, beat little josh by 24 lengths) and beat punchestowns after 400+ days off the track. likely running in irish hennessy so a good run there and surely must have a great chance in a declining division?
Dunno think the BF Chase was his breakthrough race if it was going to happen he was really disappointing in that with little excuse.
Be assured Mr Meade is aiming this at Chelters as his number one target and they expect to win.
2011 Gold Cup Winner.
2011 Gold Cup Winner.
^ not got the best festival record has he? Noel Meade?
Pando will only run if yielding or softer. I've been on ap since October and can't see him making it there.
you would atleast give him a bash if ran well in the irish henessey... even if he doesnt make it he could trade shorter between now and the festical.
Mr Meade isnt running at the festival, the horse is.
Is he a bet for the Gold Cup at 16/1 NRNB Ladbrokes. Surely if he gets his ground, he's going off single figures, if it's too quick, he doesn't run?
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Mr Meade isnt running at the festival, the horse is.
Meade's record is relevant in the context of your assertion that 'they expect to win'.If you can't see that then we're going to struggle.
How do you know they expect to win? Are you sure that their thinking is n't similar to most i.e. the horse has a good chance on softish going? Did they 'expect to win' the Hennessy?
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Mr Meade isnt running at the festival, the horse is.
Meade's record is relevant in the context of your assertion that 'they expect to win'.If you can't see that then we're going to struggle.
How do you know they expect to win? Are you sure that their thinking is n't similar to most i.e. the horse has a good chance on softish going? Did they 'expect to win' the Hennessy?
Yes, they did expect to win the Hennessey. And the Gold Cup.
Anyone with up to date news on Pandorama and the Gold Cup?
Price seems to be holding up.
Price seems to be holding up.
report in the post other day saying all systems go for the Gold Cup
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