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harchibald Joined: 30 Sep 01
Replies: 269 30 Oct 10 20:02 he said because it hasn't rained they haven't done any schooling on the schooling grounds at seven barrows, he said he was fresh and needed the schooling. PP is 17th November. Is this too late ? Can he give weight, jumping skills, a lesser jockey and a beating to Great Endeavour ? Can you trust a word Nicky Henderson says... AhemBINOCULAR? Questions questions |
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horses who were announced not likely to make cheltenham last year
paddydepasterer binocular solwhit trust know one. |
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booster
More likely to beat the 190 odd rated Kauto than a field of handicappers off what in effect is a mark of 153? I'll have a pint of what you are drinking. As long as it isn't meths. |
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on4 chance no chance. hate this horse overhyped soft aas garbage
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Given some of your hyperbolic comments you seem to be the kind of empty vessel who would be better expressing their opinions on the horse racing forum or at the kindergarten before your mum picks you up.
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will dot up imo. everyone is forgetting that at cheltenham it was the end of a long season and he was and still is a really young horse.
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dananderson Joined: 14 Oct 10
Replies: 805 04 Nov 10 20:05 on4 chance no chance. hate this horse overhyped soft aas garbage WALOFS. Even if you only look at his RSA run alone this is clearly b0llox |
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Eternaloptimist, I think he's got little chance of winning the Paddy Power as he's giving a lot of weight to a real good one with Cheltenham form whereas he didn't jump well in a smaller field off a slower pace. In the King Geotge, at a track where he's won easily in impressive fashion, he'll have a better, if slim, chance, of beating Kauto Star. As far as ratings go, if he's much better than 158, as you claim and Kauto is unlikely to run to 190, as I think, then I'd give him a better chance on a course he is more suited to. Personally I think he's over rated but he may fulfill his potential if they change jockey. Dodgy jumpers don't won a lot of top class races. And I don't drink.
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Fair enough. I don't agree with your analysis but at least you have argued your point cogently. By the way as Cohen is able to claim his 5 in the Paddy Power and not in grade 1's he is for this comparison effectively off 153. I know people are making a great deal of GE winning at the festival but on the face of it he beat a field of handicappers by a little over a length. Beyond that he may have had much more in the locker or not a lot, that is all down to conjecture. On the book he doesn't look the snip which some people suggest. Certainly if we are going on what people think a horse may be capable of then you presumably think the horse is capable of running to high 170's to have a sniff in the King George. I would agree with you. Even if he isn't quite as suited by the conditions of the Padder Power that is still a heck of a lot for any other horse to find on the book on that day.
My reservation about the horse is that whilst he has thus far always got to the other side he doesn't always make the most natural shape over an obstacle and he could blunder his chance away. At the price I am happy to take that chance because given his class I still think he could make a couple of minor errors and win. |
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That's what the sport's all about and I guess I'm wrong more often than right like most punters but he's just bound to be overbet as he's everybody's horse to follow, Henderson's stable is featured in the Post next Monday and he's got the unexposed look. He'll certainly be a good horse if he wins off this mark but I'd prefer a top jockey instead of his claimer and I believe Great Endeavour is not far (if any) behind him. If you look at the easy time he had to get him to Cheltenham in March well handicapped, it's believable that ther's more to come. Anyway, we'll know in 8 days' time.
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DanAnderson - on4 chance no chance. hate this horse overhyped soft aas garbage
Thought it was you, 'dananders' - though i believe saying you 'hate' a horse sinks even you to a new low. |
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well not hate but ive got a feeling the horse is soft . and he definitely wont be able jump against tough seasoned handicappers in a race like this . also he will be better on flat tracks .
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also the jhockey is useless. still amuses me every time i watch it his panic in the rsa were he takes the goggles down with a silly look on his face and starts shoveling on the coal. horse should go over hurdles and get beat by big bucks every oputing imo
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Burton Port looks more of a Gold Cup horse to me. Poquelin could run in the Paddy Power with Ryan Mahon taking 5 lbs. off.
Those are two horeses to follow. Give me tough nuts over flashy types any day of the week. |
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flat tracker - no chance
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waley cohens big problem is when he sees the horse isn't going to meet the fence on the right stride, he panics, that's why for a couple times at least per race you'll see him buckaroo out of the saddle....that's the one big difference between him and a top jock...they sit tight on these occasions.
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What this horse doesnt want is to be asked to jump quickly over a trip like this. Connections have blundered he should be in the Hennessy it would be the perfect race for him. He needs time to recover from mistakes and this race wont give him that.
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absolutely no chance of staying the henessy trip
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hardly stopped as if shot in the RSA dan, another year older. Wont run in the race, but hard to say it has "absolutely no chance" of staying .
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Believe it or not hitting 3 or 4 fences can have an effect on how well a horse finishes its race over a staying trip.
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