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Disappointed Sans Frontieres isn't going - he was my main AP pick but luckily wasn't too heavily involved. At current odds I like Profound Beauty and Jessicabeel who are proven over the distance. Zipping, Illustrious Blue and Eastern Aria are interesting outsiders. Zipping beat a bunch of these the other day but is getting on a bit.
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Shocking is a worthy fav, has looked top notch this term. I actually can't understand why the handicapper doesn't penalise him although top weight now, it deserves an extra kilo at least.
Can't see So You Think getting the trip but then again who knows but the horse as good as any European horse over 10f imo.
I'm dreaming of the big pay day with Mourayan. Brilliant 2yo, gave Sea The Stars a serious race, Fame and Glory was genuinely better got beat by Profound but I do recall Oxx having excuses that day but it's run in the Ledger that gives me reason it has every chance in this. Probably the worst ride ever in a Group 1, pocket talk I know, boy do I hate Berry but it's hard to argue it wouldn't have won that day if Berry hadn't decided to run into the back of every horse in front of it. So that over an extended 1m6f in its prefered ground is perfect form for this race. Its well in too will more then likely be in the bottom weight group.
Been at the usual Aussie craic of short distances this year but came alive in the Metropolitan over 1m4f and sending it to the front so early was not race winning tactics but great prepping. So the 150/1 dream is still a possibility!
I'm also on Profound at 30s, having lost a decent antepost bet on it last year at least I get a run for my money this time, don't think it was fully wound up for Irish Leger and it'd be great to see Dermot snatch the 150th Cup
Can't see So You Think getting the trip but then again who knows but the horse as good as any European horse over 10f imo.
I'm dreaming of the big pay day with Mourayan. Brilliant 2yo, gave Sea The Stars a serious race, Fame and Glory was genuinely better got beat by Profound but I do recall Oxx having excuses that day but it's run in the Ledger that gives me reason it has every chance in this. Probably the worst ride ever in a Group 1, pocket talk I know, boy do I hate Berry but it's hard to argue it wouldn't have won that day if Berry hadn't decided to run into the back of every horse in front of it. So that over an extended 1m6f in its prefered ground is perfect form for this race. Its well in too will more then likely be in the bottom weight group.
Been at the usual Aussie craic of short distances this year but came alive in the Metropolitan over 1m4f and sending it to the front so early was not race winning tactics but great prepping. So the 150/1 dream is still a possibility!
I'm also on Profound at 30s, having lost a decent antepost bet on it last year at least I get a run for my money this time, don't think it was fully wound up for Irish Leger and it'd be great to see Dermot snatch the 150th Cup
Luca will win it this time with either Bauer or Drunken Sailor. Illustrious Blue should also be in the mix. No prep for Bauer is a slight negative but really he should have won 2 years ago, and the race suits him down to the ground assuming there isn't some huge deluge that changes the usually guaranteed fast going.
So You Think, Linton & Shoot Out are my main bets for this..I layed off most of my ante post bet on Profound Beauty at 26 
is the beauty a 100% runner? I herd Welds comments a few weeks back in an interview and he didnt seem to keen..And after having already backed Rite Of Passage i bailed out the beauty..
is the beauty a 100% runner? I herd Welds comments a few weeks back in an interview and he didnt seem to keen..And after having already backed Rite Of Passage i bailed out the beauty..
So You Think & Linton to impressive winners last night..If this So You Think stays the trip i really cant see past it has looked a freak in its last few runs..And has the master trainer..
Getting the trip is a big question mark for me. 12/1 was short enough, but I really don't like 6/1.
must mean at least a 3 kilo rise or do I have a total lack of understanding of the weights system
Winners of WFA races can't be penalised for the Melbourne Cup after weights have come out.
So You Think is fairly stoutly bred..?? could easily hold its form over the trip!
He is the best horse currently in training anywhere in the world imo and the 56kgs against a field dropping away in depth has him a weight certainty.
If Bart starts him that is plenty evidence to me that the trip won't be an issue.
It will be a sit and sprint anyway and he will belt them
If Bart starts him that is plenty evidence to me that the trip won't be an issue.
It will be a sit and sprint anyway and he will belt them
Horses who win WFA races at 2300m or less are not liable for a penalty for the Melbourne Cup but all handicap winners after the publication of the weights can be penalised . The Australian handicapper has more or less indicated that he will not go too hard on the Caulfield Cup winner for penalty purposes ( last year's winner Viewed only got a 1kg ( 2lbs ) penalty )- presumably so as to encourage horses to 'try' in the Caulfield Cup !
I thought Carpenter arranged Viewed's penalty last year so that it would be on the same weight as Efficient? Deerved more, but didn't get it because of that reason?
I don't really consider drugged up yanks running on synthetic rubbish, and for the most part beating up on weak fields with only a half dozen runners, to be part of the real racing world Bobby S.
I reckon he would probably knock her off as well anyway.
I reckon he would probably knock her off as well anyway.
Only 3 places on BF and also in Aus but English bookies pay 4 places at 1/4 odds
Doesn't look like Eastern Aria will get a place. Shame. I dont get why Bauer hasn't made it? I thought there were 24 places. What am I misunderstanding?
International Horses Assured Of 2010 Melbourne Cup Run:
Campanologist (5th)
Profound Beauty (8th)
Mr Medici (9th)
Illustrious Blue (11th)
Tokai Trick (12th)
Americain (13th)
Manighar (20th )
International Entries In Danger Of Missing Out On 2010 Melbourne Cup Run:
Bauer (24th)
Holberg (30th)
Drunken Sailor (31st)
Eastern Aria (32nd)
International Horses Assured Of 2010 Melbourne Cup Run:
Campanologist (5th)
Profound Beauty (8th)
Mr Medici (9th)
Illustrious Blue (11th)
Tokai Trick (12th)
Americain (13th)
Manighar (20th )
International Entries In Danger Of Missing Out On 2010 Melbourne Cup Run:
Bauer (24th)
Holberg (30th)
Drunken Sailor (31st)
Eastern Aria (32nd)
Horses have their weights measured against benchmarks.
Fillies and mares have a 1.5kg lower benchmark.
Same for 4yos.
So a 4yo filly on 51kg is treated the same as a mature horse on 54kg for Entry purposes.
(Horse with the same benchmark difference are then differentiated by how much prize money won sice a certain date.)
Fillies and mares have a 1.5kg lower benchmark.
Same for 4yos.
So a 4yo filly on 51kg is treated the same as a mature horse on 54kg for Entry purposes.
(Horse with the same benchmark difference are then differentiated by how much prize money won sice a certain date.)
Just had a look.
http://www.springracingcarnival.com.au/asset/cms/SRC%202010/2010%20Emirates%20Melbourne%20Cup%202nd%20Acceptors%20Elimination%20Order%20211010.pdf
Bauer is 26th, will be 24th once Sans Frontieres and Zabrasive are taken out.
So You Think will leapfrog, once he comes in the first three in the Cox Plate tomorrow.
Less sure about who else will leapfrog in the next couple of weeks.
http://www.springracingcarnival.com.au/asset/cms/SRC%202010/2010%20Emirates%20Melbourne%20Cup%202nd%20Acceptors%20Elimination%20Order%20211010.pdf
Bauer is 26th, will be 24th once Sans Frontieres and Zabrasive are taken out.
So You Think will leapfrog, once he comes in the first three in the Cox Plate tomorrow.
Less sure about who else will leapfrog in the next couple of weeks.
Is there any chance Godolphin will pull Campanologist and put Holberg in?
For that to happen, I reckon Dato would have to pull Dariana and perhaps Faint Perfume, to get Precedence in, and then Lloyd Wiliams pull 2 of Mourayan, C'est la Guerre and Zipping to get Linton in, or sumfink!
from The Age in Melbourne
TWO international headliners are believed to be in doubt for Tuesday's Melbourne Cup, as the Victoria Racing Club braces for a mighty storm to hit the spring carnival tomorrow.
The Age learned that Racing Victoria stewards and veterinary surgeons descended yesterday on the Werribee quarantine centre, where a number of international horses are housed. Profound Beauty and Bauer are believed to have lameness problems.
Chief steward Terry Bailey did not return calls from The Age but it is believed the vets have grave concerns over the horses' ability to take their place in the $6 million race.
TWO international headliners are believed to be in doubt for Tuesday's Melbourne Cup, as the Victoria Racing Club braces for a mighty storm to hit the spring carnival tomorrow.
The Age learned that Racing Victoria stewards and veterinary surgeons descended yesterday on the Werribee quarantine centre, where a number of international horses are housed. Profound Beauty and Bauer are believed to have lameness problems.
Chief steward Terry Bailey did not return calls from The Age but it is believed the vets have grave concerns over the horses' ability to take their place in the $6 million race.
Three Melbourne Cup contenders to pass vet
By aap racing/caryl williamson 9:08AM 28 OCT 2010
Australia: Jostling for positions in the Melbourne Cup took on a new twist on Thursday with three contendersundergoing veterinary checks and another two needing to prove themselves before the final field is declared.
Dariana and Faint Perfume from the Bart Cummings stable were subjected to examination by Racing Victoria vets along with the John O'Shea-trained Jessicabeel.
Both the Cummings mares have been out of form this spring but are fully qualified for the Cup and expected to take their places in the field after being passed fit.
Last year's VRC Oaks winner Faint Perfume is scheduled to run in Saturday's Mackinnon Stakes while Dariana will not run again before Tuesday's Cup.
Jessicabeel showed signs of lameness when she straggled in more than 20 lengths from the winner Precedence in the Moonee Valley Cup.
She will take her place in Saturday's Lexus Stakes but will be vetted again after that race.
O'Shea has expressed his anger over the process, fearing Jessicabeel is being targeted.
As the winner of the Australian Stayers' Challenge comprising points throughout the season, the Sydney Cup winner cannot be balloted out of the Cup.
Connections of last year's fourth and fifth Cup placegetters, Master O'Reilly and Harris Tweed, are required to supply vet certificates by Friday after both have suffered bouts of colic in the past two weeks.
Over at the international compound at Werribee, things have been accident and illness-free.
The Dermot Weld-trained Profound Beauty, who finished fifth to the Cummings-trained Viewed in 2008, was put through her paces on Thursday under the watchful eye of the trainer's son Mark.
Dermot Weld is expected in Australia on Sunday but has been in constant contact with his team and although pleased with the reports, he told Melbourne radio Sport 927 the Australians held the aces.
"I think it's a very competitive race this year," he said. "I think you've got a very strong Australian team defending the Cup. I think it will be pretty tough for any of the international horses to win this year.
"You've seen Americain already win the Geelong Cup. But I still honestly believe the bookmakers have it right - the Australian horses are going to be hard to beat this year."
Last year's winner Shocking is the $4.50 favourite ahead of dual Cox Plate winner So You Think ($5.50) with Americain at $10.
By aap racing/caryl williamson 9:08AM 28 OCT 2010
Australia: Jostling for positions in the Melbourne Cup took on a new twist on Thursday with three contendersundergoing veterinary checks and another two needing to prove themselves before the final field is declared.
Dariana and Faint Perfume from the Bart Cummings stable were subjected to examination by Racing Victoria vets along with the John O'Shea-trained Jessicabeel.
Both the Cummings mares have been out of form this spring but are fully qualified for the Cup and expected to take their places in the field after being passed fit.
Last year's VRC Oaks winner Faint Perfume is scheduled to run in Saturday's Mackinnon Stakes while Dariana will not run again before Tuesday's Cup.
Jessicabeel showed signs of lameness when she straggled in more than 20 lengths from the winner Precedence in the Moonee Valley Cup.
She will take her place in Saturday's Lexus Stakes but will be vetted again after that race.
O'Shea has expressed his anger over the process, fearing Jessicabeel is being targeted.
As the winner of the Australian Stayers' Challenge comprising points throughout the season, the Sydney Cup winner cannot be balloted out of the Cup.
Connections of last year's fourth and fifth Cup placegetters, Master O'Reilly and Harris Tweed, are required to supply vet certificates by Friday after both have suffered bouts of colic in the past two weeks.
Over at the international compound at Werribee, things have been accident and illness-free.
The Dermot Weld-trained Profound Beauty, who finished fifth to the Cummings-trained Viewed in 2008, was put through her paces on Thursday under the watchful eye of the trainer's son Mark.
Dermot Weld is expected in Australia on Sunday but has been in constant contact with his team and although pleased with the reports, he told Melbourne radio Sport 927 the Australians held the aces.
"I think it's a very competitive race this year," he said. "I think you've got a very strong Australian team defending the Cup. I think it will be pretty tough for any of the international horses to win this year.
"You've seen Americain already win the Geelong Cup. But I still honestly believe the bookmakers have it right - the Australian horses are going to be hard to beat this year."
Last year's winner Shocking is the $4.50 favourite ahead of dual Cox Plate winner So You Think ($5.50) with Americain at $10.
Quote I posted was from this mornings paper out two hours ago. No idea whether they got injured in work or whatever after yesterdays article was published, but something must be up for vets to be going over them.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/profound-beauty-bauer-woes-place-int...
smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/profound-beauty-bauer-woes-place-internationals...
never tried posting a link before. Dont they work? Bit disappointed about this. At this rate it looks like I may have no betting interest at all in the race!!
smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/
profound-beauty-bauer-woes-place-internationals-under-scrutiny-20101028-175t1.html
smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/
profound-beauty-bauer-woes-place-internationals-under-scrutiny-20101028-175t1.html
Mourayan now looks like he could make the field. Has been backed into 65 on here, but is still 60 in the place market - someone wasnt paying attention!
from Racingandsports
Racing Victoria vets, under the supervision of stewards, will complete veterinary examinations, including inspections of treatment logbooks, of the top 35 ranked horses in the Emirates Melbourne Cup today ahead of final declarations for the $6m race at 5pm tomorrow.
The Bart Cummings-trained mares Dariana and Faint Perfume were examined first yesterday morning, along with Sydney Cup winner Jessicabeel .
The trio were passed fit for racing with Jessicabeel to be re-examined following her run in the Group 3 The Lexus Stakes at Flemington tomorrow.
The six horses residing in the Vintage Crop Stables at the Werribee International Horse Centre were examined earlier this morning with Profound Beauty , Campanologist , Illustrious Blue and Eastern Aria passed fit for racing.
2008 Melbourne Cup runner-up Bauer will be re-examined this afternoon after he is re-shod.
Holberg is being treated for a bruised hoof with trainer Saeed bin Suroor to decide tomorrow morning whether it has improved sufficiently to pay the final acceptance fee.
Holberg is currently 31st in the order of entry and thus not guaranteed a start
Racing Victoria vets, under the supervision of stewards, will complete veterinary examinations, including inspections of treatment logbooks, of the top 35 ranked horses in the Emirates Melbourne Cup today ahead of final declarations for the $6m race at 5pm tomorrow.
The Bart Cummings-trained mares Dariana and Faint Perfume were examined first yesterday morning, along with Sydney Cup winner Jessicabeel .
The trio were passed fit for racing with Jessicabeel to be re-examined following her run in the Group 3 The Lexus Stakes at Flemington tomorrow.
The six horses residing in the Vintage Crop Stables at the Werribee International Horse Centre were examined earlier this morning with Profound Beauty , Campanologist , Illustrious Blue and Eastern Aria passed fit for racing.
2008 Melbourne Cup runner-up Bauer will be re-examined this afternoon after he is re-shod.
Holberg is being treated for a bruised hoof with trainer Saeed bin Suroor to decide tomorrow morning whether it has improved sufficiently to pay the final acceptance fee.
Holberg is currently 31st in the order of entry and thus not guaranteed a start
Ozzy Tabloids selling.
PF not lamer than the average joke on BF
PF not lamer than the average joke on BF
Sorry for being lazy, but ive just bought a horse rated 109. Would that be enough to get in this years Cup ?
Would have been okay for last year, and previous ones, but not this year.
Mourayan is rated 115 here, and isn't quite in.
Drunken Sailor is 112, and is quite a few spots away from getting in. This is the Handicappers fault, as Cumani was told the horse would be given 53kg. The hose put in a couple of imptoved performances, and the horse still got the 53kg promised, rather than the extra kilo it maybe deserved.
Mourayan is rated 115 here, and isn't quite in.
Drunken Sailor is 112, and is quite a few spots away from getting in. This is the Handicappers fault, as Cumani was told the horse would be given 53kg. The hose put in a couple of imptoved performances, and the horse still got the 53kg promised, rather than the extra kilo it maybe deserved.
Number
Horse
Trainer
Jockey
Barrier
Weight
1
SHOCKING
Mark Kavanagh
Michael Rodd
24
57
2
CAMPANOLOGIST (USA)
Saeed Bin Suroor
Kerrin McEvoy
19
56
3
SO YOU THINK (NZ)
Bart Cummings
Steven Arnold
3
56
4
ZIPPING
Robert Hickmott
Nick Hall
16
55.5
5
ILLUSTRIOUS BLUE (GB)
William J Knight
Glen Boss
9
55
6
MR MEDICI (IRE)
Peter Ho
Darren Beadman
5
55
7
SHOOT OUT
John Wallace
Corey Brown
17
55
8
AMERICAIN (USA)
Alain de Royer Dupre
Gerard Mosse
12
54.5
9
TOKAI TRICK (JPN)
Kenji Nonaka
Shinji Fujita
4
54.5
10
BUCCELLATI (GB)
Tony Noonan
Steven King
21
54
11
DESCARADO (NZ)
Gai Waterhouse
Nash Rawiller
1
54
12
HARRIS TWEED (NZ)
Murray & Bjorn Baker
Brad Rawiller
13
54
13
MANIGHAR (FR)
Luca Cumani
Damien Oliver
20
54
14
MASTER O'REILLY (NZ)
Danny O'Brien
Vlad Duric
18
54
15
MONACO CONSUL (NZ)
Michael Moroney
Craig Williams
14
54
16
PROFOUND BEAUTY (IRE)
Dermot K Weld
Pat Smullen
22
54
17
ZAVITE (NZ)
Anthony Cummings
Michael Walker
7
54
18
BAUER (IRE)
Luca Cumani
Chris Munce
2
53.5
19
HOLBERG (UAE)
Saeed Bin Suroor
Frankie Detorri
10
53.5
20
PRECEDENCE (NZ)
Bart Cummings
Blake Shinn
15
53.5
21
RED RULER (NZ)
John Sargent
Mark Du Plessis
8
53.5
22
LINTON
Robert Hickmott
Brett Prebble
23
52
23
ONCE WERE WILD
Gai Waterhouse
Jim Cassidy
11
51.5
24
MALUCKYDAY (NZ)
Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes
Luke Nolen
6
51
Horse
Trainer
Jockey
Barrier
Weight
1
SHOCKING
Mark Kavanagh
Michael Rodd
24
57
2
CAMPANOLOGIST (USA)
Saeed Bin Suroor
Kerrin McEvoy
19
56
3
SO YOU THINK (NZ)
Bart Cummings
Steven Arnold
3
56
4
ZIPPING
Robert Hickmott
Nick Hall
16
55.5
5
ILLUSTRIOUS BLUE (GB)
William J Knight
Glen Boss
9
55
6
MR MEDICI (IRE)
Peter Ho
Darren Beadman
5
55
7
SHOOT OUT
John Wallace
Corey Brown
17
55
8
AMERICAIN (USA)
Alain de Royer Dupre
Gerard Mosse
12
54.5
9
TOKAI TRICK (JPN)
Kenji Nonaka
Shinji Fujita
4
54.5
10
BUCCELLATI (GB)
Tony Noonan
Steven King
21
54
11
DESCARADO (NZ)
Gai Waterhouse
Nash Rawiller
1
54
12
HARRIS TWEED (NZ)
Murray & Bjorn Baker
Brad Rawiller
13
54
13
MANIGHAR (FR)
Luca Cumani
Damien Oliver
20
54
14
MASTER O'REILLY (NZ)
Danny O'Brien
Vlad Duric
18
54
15
MONACO CONSUL (NZ)
Michael Moroney
Craig Williams
14
54
16
PROFOUND BEAUTY (IRE)
Dermot K Weld
Pat Smullen
22
54
17
ZAVITE (NZ)
Anthony Cummings
Michael Walker
7
54
18
BAUER (IRE)
Luca Cumani
Chris Munce
2
53.5
19
HOLBERG (UAE)
Saeed Bin Suroor
Frankie Detorri
10
53.5
20
PRECEDENCE (NZ)
Bart Cummings
Blake Shinn
15
53.5
21
RED RULER (NZ)
John Sargent
Mark Du Plessis
8
53.5
22
LINTON
Robert Hickmott
Brett Prebble
23
52
23
ONCE WERE WILD
Gai Waterhouse
Jim Cassidy
11
51.5
24
MALUCKYDAY (NZ)
Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes
Luke Nolen
6
51
Does anyone have a link to any form guides? I cant seem to find one anywhere...
thx in advance
thx in advance
http://www.racenet.com.au/form/race-form-race.asp?venue=FLEM&mdate=021110&race=7
http://www.racenet.com.au/form/race-form-race.asp?venue=FLEM&mdate=021110&race=7
Cox Plate, Mackinnon Stakes & The Melbourne Cup in the space of 9days we can only hope..Good to see it raining in Aus Profound Beauty will love the ground great e/w chance but the freak is going to take some stopping..
Thanks Falbrav...
I have been living over here in Australia for nearly 4 years now and still havent got used to the way they campaign top class horses over all kinds of distances every couple of weeks. Very different to the UK. Imagine taking a Guineas winner, winning the Eclipse and then running it in the Caesarewitch!
Anyway, See You Think is obviously freakishly good, but I think I will making some small plays with the ones at the bottom that ran in the Lexus.
Good luck everyone!
I have been living over here in Australia for nearly 4 years now and still havent got used to the way they campaign top class horses over all kinds of distances every couple of weeks. Very different to the UK. Imagine taking a Guineas winner, winning the Eclipse and then running it in the Caesarewitch!
Anyway, See You Think is obviously freakishly good, but I think I will making some small plays with the ones at the bottom that ran in the Lexus.
Good luck everyone!
hello Ilnamar, I hope Manighar can give first win to Luca Cumani !!!
MICK KINANE yesterday dampened hopes of a first Irish winner of the Melbourne Cup for eight years, arguing that the trip could well prove beyond Dermot Weld’s star filly Profound Beauty.
Twice a winner of one of the most prestigious races in the world with Vintage Crop and Media Puzzle, the Rosewell House trainer has come to Australia hoping to make it a hat-trick.
However Kinane, who was aboard Vintage Crop for the star’s seminal 1993 triumph, when he became the first jockey to ride an international horse to glory, has played down talk of another Irish raider taking home the gold next Tuesday.
Home charges Shocking and So You Think are currently vying for favouritism for the Flemington contest but Profound Beauty is not alien to the circuit either, having run a superb race there in the 2008 Melbourne Cup, finishing a creditable fifth.
But with her advancing years and a star-studded field — led by the aforementioned duo and also including French raider Americain and Caulfield Cup winner Descardo – Kinane isn’t so sure Profound Beauty, currently a 16-1 shot with Australian bookmakers, can better that run of two years ago.
"I question her ability to go the trip [3200 metres]. I think that a mile and six [2800 metres] is right on the limit for her," said the legendary pilot, back in Melbourne in his capacity as ambassador for Irish racing.
"When you saw her here a couple of years ago, nothing travelled better than her. She’s a beautiful filly, but I question her being able to get it because this year is a much stronger race."
Kinane, who retired last year after leading John Oxx’s Sea The Stars to racing immortality, was much sought after at a special Breakfast with the Stars in Melbourne this week, with the local media desperate to get his take on the rising star of Australian racing.
So You Think is the hottest property in town right now after last weekend’s dominant victory in the Cox Plate – a seventh win in 10 career races for the charge of legendary trainer Bart Cummings.
He was sired by Coolmore’s High Chaparral – a horse Kinane knew well as he was aboard for many of the epic victories enjoyed by Aidan O’Brien’s former favourite. And much like Profound Beauty, Kinane reckoned the marathon distance of the Melbourne Cup could just prove beyond So You Think.
"He is undoubtedly a horse with a lot of pace, a lot of early pace. He finds going quick very easy," he said.
"He started his run very early [in Saturday’s Cox Plate] and put the race to bed very quickly, which is always the hallmark of a good horse.
"But I doubt his ability to go 3200 metres.
"He did start to struggle that last 50 metres. He was at the top of his run. He can go all right but he’s got to change his style to last the 3200," added Kinane, who enjoyed six Group One victories aboard High Chaparral including Derby wins both sides of the Irish Sea and dual Breeders’ Cup victories.
Now standing at stud at Coolmore’s sprawling Australian operation on the lush plains of the Hunter Valley in New South Wales, High Chaparral has proved a prolific sire to this point – something which didn’t come as a shock to Kinane.
"I am not surprised he has been such a great success out here because he was so tough. He was a pretty strong staying horse," added Kinane, who, when asked if O’Brien’s charge would have been suited to Flemington responded with his trademark smirk.
"High Chaparral probably wouldn’t have got [the Melbourne Cup distance] but then he was never asked to."
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Thursday, October 28, 2010
Twice a winner of one of the most prestigious races in the world with Vintage Crop and Media Puzzle, the Rosewell House trainer has come to Australia hoping to make it a hat-trick.
However Kinane, who was aboard Vintage Crop for the star’s seminal 1993 triumph, when he became the first jockey to ride an international horse to glory, has played down talk of another Irish raider taking home the gold next Tuesday.
Home charges Shocking and So You Think are currently vying for favouritism for the Flemington contest but Profound Beauty is not alien to the circuit either, having run a superb race there in the 2008 Melbourne Cup, finishing a creditable fifth.
But with her advancing years and a star-studded field — led by the aforementioned duo and also including French raider Americain and Caulfield Cup winner Descardo – Kinane isn’t so sure Profound Beauty, currently a 16-1 shot with Australian bookmakers, can better that run of two years ago.
"I question her ability to go the trip [3200 metres]. I think that a mile and six [2800 metres] is right on the limit for her," said the legendary pilot, back in Melbourne in his capacity as ambassador for Irish racing.
"When you saw her here a couple of years ago, nothing travelled better than her. She’s a beautiful filly, but I question her being able to get it because this year is a much stronger race."
Kinane, who retired last year after leading John Oxx’s Sea The Stars to racing immortality, was much sought after at a special Breakfast with the Stars in Melbourne this week, with the local media desperate to get his take on the rising star of Australian racing.
So You Think is the hottest property in town right now after last weekend’s dominant victory in the Cox Plate – a seventh win in 10 career races for the charge of legendary trainer Bart Cummings.
He was sired by Coolmore’s High Chaparral – a horse Kinane knew well as he was aboard for many of the epic victories enjoyed by Aidan O’Brien’s former favourite. And much like Profound Beauty, Kinane reckoned the marathon distance of the Melbourne Cup could just prove beyond So You Think.
"He is undoubtedly a horse with a lot of pace, a lot of early pace. He finds going quick very easy," he said.
"He started his run very early [in Saturday’s Cox Plate] and put the race to bed very quickly, which is always the hallmark of a good horse.
"But I doubt his ability to go 3200 metres.
"He did start to struggle that last 50 metres. He was at the top of his run. He can go all right but he’s got to change his style to last the 3200," added Kinane, who enjoyed six Group One victories aboard High Chaparral including Derby wins both sides of the Irish Sea and dual Breeders’ Cup victories.
Now standing at stud at Coolmore’s sprawling Australian operation on the lush plains of the Hunter Valley in New South Wales, High Chaparral has proved a prolific sire to this point – something which didn’t come as a shock to Kinane.
"I am not surprised he has been such a great success out here because he was so tough. He was a pretty strong staying horse," added Kinane, who, when asked if O’Brien’s charge would have been suited to Flemington responded with his trademark smirk.
"High Chaparral probably wouldn’t have got [the Melbourne Cup distance] but then he was never asked to."
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Thursday, October 28, 2010
DK apparantly furious with the vets in Oz for questioning the soundness of PB.
I think Kinane has a good point but that in mind, my hunch is that the mare will be ridden for a place this time
I think Kinane has a good point but that in mind, my hunch is that the mare will be ridden for a place this time
Reminds me a bit of '93 with Weld talking down Vintage Crop's chances so the bookies would push the price out.
What is the going and is there a reliable link to going updates?
Official going is here:-
http://materials.risa.com.au/publishing/downloads/scratch/showmeeting_RISA.asp?show=021110Flemington_VIC.htm&state=VIC
If its updated at 10am each day, then that will be 11pm tonight.
Will probably be a going update on the radio before then.
There will be a Melbourne Cup preview with interviews with trainers etc at 10pm tonight.
http://www.sport927.com.au/
Click on listen live.
http://materials.risa.com.au/publishing/downloads/scratch/showmeeting_RISA.asp?show=021110Flemington_VIC.htm&state=VIC
If its updated at 10am each day, then that will be 11pm tonight.
Will probably be a going update on the radio before then.
There will be a Melbourne Cup preview with interviews with trainers etc at 10pm tonight.
http://www.sport927.com.au/
Click on listen live.
why is Betfair only going 3 places in the Melboutne Cup a handicap after all...
That is how the aussies do it, and they're betting on it as well.
The track manager seems to think that the track will improve to be a Slow 6 or Dead 5 , apparently.
Me2 your comment the aussies are betting on it aswell made me chuckle..the understatement of the year. (agree though its odd they only go first 3)
hoping illustrious blue (have some nice prices) or one of Lucas but you can't not be impressed with So you think
hoping illustrious blue (have some nice prices) or one of Lucas but you can't not be impressed with So you think
Yeah, what I meant is that they're betting into the same market.
How do the aussie going ratings trabslate into GB goings? ie slow 6
From what people are saying, it seems that what they call dead 4 and dead 5 would both be called Good here, albeit dead 5 being on the easy side of Good.
They're also saying that Slow 6 is on the Good side of Good to Soft!
One thing to bear in mind is that the Flemington track now has a sandy composition, which is one of the contributory factors in it not being as soft as one would originally think.
I'd welcome being corrected on any of this.
They're also saying that Slow 6 is on the Good side of Good to Soft!
One thing to bear in mind is that the Flemington track now has a sandy composition, which is one of the contributory factors in it not being as soft as one would originally think.
I'd welcome being corrected on any of this.
shocking for me cant see how so you think wins this
From S/Life website, Track news:
Four seasons in one day: In a very British manner, weather has dominated the talk leading up to the Cup and heavy rain has caused the pubilc car park to be closed with Victorian Racing Club spokesman Bridget Marcou saying "We've been assessing it and it's not going to be in the right condition for cars." Hmmm....are horse drawn carriages acceptable?
On a brighter note only light rain is expected prompting senior forecaster Scott Williams to add "We could do better, but I suppose we could do worse."
A phlegmatic Flemingtonian I suppose.
What does all that mean for the track? Well, extensive research had led me to discover that the going is rated between 1 and 10. Heavy 8 equates to soft, Good 3 to 'ideal track with some give' and that the best case scenario following the weekend's downpour was for the track to ride Dead 5 by Cup time.........make of that what you will but it looks like it's going to be on the slow side folks. Bad news for Bauer but good news for Manighar
Four seasons in one day: In a very British manner, weather has dominated the talk leading up to the Cup and heavy rain has caused the pubilc car park to be closed with Victorian Racing Club spokesman Bridget Marcou saying "We've been assessing it and it's not going to be in the right condition for cars." Hmmm....are horse drawn carriages acceptable?
On a brighter note only light rain is expected prompting senior forecaster Scott Williams to add "We could do better, but I suppose we could do worse."
A phlegmatic Flemingtonian I suppose.
What does all that mean for the track? Well, extensive research had led me to discover that the going is rated between 1 and 10. Heavy 8 equates to soft, Good 3 to 'ideal track with some give' and that the best case scenario following the weekend's downpour was for the track to ride Dead 5 by Cup time.........make of that what you will but it looks like it's going to be on the slow side folks. Bad news for Bauer but good news for Manighar
I've backed the Hong Kong raider Mr. Medici e/w.
Sure to handle the likely easier conditions, won Group One Champions + Chaters earlier this season and went well for much of the way in the Caulfield Cup off a pretty long absense.
Distance is the obvious question mark but how many of his rivals face a similiar conundrum? A few I'd say. Plus, dual Melbourne Cup winner Darren Beadman in the saddle.
There's plenty in with chances though, and of the 24 ruuners, very few can be completely ignored. But at 50/1, Mr. Medici is well overpriced and must give a good account of himself and at leat a run for your momey. Best of luck all.
Sure to handle the likely easier conditions, won Group One Champions + Chaters earlier this season and went well for much of the way in the Caulfield Cup off a pretty long absense.
Distance is the obvious question mark but how many of his rivals face a similiar conundrum? A few I'd say. Plus, dual Melbourne Cup winner Darren Beadman in the saddle.
There's plenty in with chances though, and of the 24 ruuners, very few can be completely ignored. But at 50/1, Mr. Medici is well overpriced and must give a good account of himself and at leat a run for your momey. Best of luck all.
So You Think, Shoot Out & Linton all AP bets for me..Also topped up some on The Beauty would hate to see it win without me having any money on it..Good luck all and enjoy the great race..
I'll join the Americain backers with a small bet and pretend i know what i'm talking about even though it's all about the jockey/trainer confidence 
I've also backed mr medici e/w on here and just realised it's only the first 3 think it could run well though, viva pataca a shrewd judge imo.
think it could run well though, viva pataca a shrewd judge imo.
Anyone have a link showing the order of ballot for the race, having a dispute with my bookie over a horse I suspect was balloted out.
TIA
TIA
Which horse?
I can confirm Faint Perfume was w/d by Bart if it was that one.
I can confirm Faint Perfume was w/d by Bart if it was that one.
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