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when it won derby stoute said it would be a better horse on softer ground
Yeah record breaking time on Gf screams mudlark.
Big difference from running on proper good gnd with no jar, and heavy at Longchamp.
If they're smart they'll put him away for next year.
If they're smart they'll put him away for next year.
Get some right silly threads on here. This one started a panic in the market so you've got a few minutes of fame mate LOLOL
Wouldn't be worrying about Workforce. He worked this morning and SMS couldn't say anything for sure until he see's how he eats up in the morning. It will also give him an idea what the weather is doing.
If the ground gets worse I guess it's possible he won't go but then neither might Fame and Glory and Cape Blanco would def not go.
Fav could be a knocking bet by default.
Wouldn't be worrying about Workforce. He worked this morning and SMS couldn't say anything for sure until he see's how he eats up in the morning. It will also give him an idea what the weather is doing.
If the ground gets worse I guess it's possible he won't go but then neither might Fame and Glory and Cape Blanco would def not go.
Fav could be a knocking bet by default.
I do not get the worries about Fame & Glory on V soft?
He won his first two starts on Hvy, he does have the class to handle quicker, but like most top class horse probably wants good gnd. He is by Montjeu, whose progency have a better strikerate on Hvy.
Cannot see it suited Cape Blanco.
He won his first two starts on Hvy, he does have the class to handle quicker, but like most top class horse probably wants good gnd. He is by Montjeu, whose progency have a better strikerate on Hvy.
Cannot see it suited Cape Blanco.
betfair release a statement flagging up the weakness of workforce on here,wudnt do that for the sake of pennies
Das it's probably because he got beat against She's our mark on the going at a shorter trip on re-appearnce. I'd obviously put a line through that though. They will adopt difference tactics to last year and he will be tough to beat. All the same i've had enough bets.
Graeme - i would 100% ignore that run. Was in April, how many APOB horses win then?
Also see his post race comments.
"Don´t be disappointed," was the message from Aidan O´Brien about Irish Derby winner Fame And Glory as he ran a couple of stones below his best. He had a reasonable position in the race but didn´t pick up when he was asked to and once Murtagh knew he wasn´t going to win he wasn´t at all hard on him. He obviously needed the run badly and judgement must be reserved on him until he´s seen out again.
Also see his post race comments.
"Don´t be disappointed," was the message from Aidan O´Brien about Irish Derby winner Fame And Glory as he ran a couple of stones below his best. He had a reasonable position in the race but didn´t pick up when he was asked to and once Murtagh knew he wasn´t going to win he wasn´t at all hard on him. He obviously needed the run badly and judgement must be reserved on him until he´s seen out again.
This one started a panic in the market so you've got a few minutes of fame mate LOLOL
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Kings Best was a horse that liked it on top.
Himself and Fallon mowed the one and only Giant 10 years ago in the Guineas.
I just can't see this one going on the ground esp after a break.
As for Fame and Glory, I just don't know why after a midsummer rest they didn't give him a prep for the Arc. Maybe something was niggling him then. He was meant to be targetting the Leop race and then didn't even go to France the next day.
He does go on the ground being by Montjeu so there could be ulterior motives.
Himself and Fallon mowed the one and only Giant 10 years ago in the Guineas.
I just can't see this one going on the ground esp after a break.
As for Fame and Glory, I just don't know why after a midsummer rest they didn't give him a prep for the Arc. Maybe something was niggling him then. He was meant to be targetting the Leop race and then didn't even go to France the next day.
He does go on the ground being by Montjeu so there could be ulterior motives.
he possibly didnt go for the arc trials because they looked really hot .and obrien would have been mindful of the fact that they fukked soldier of fortunes chances up in the arc by having such a hard race in the prix neil i think it was.
as for the heavy ground fame and glory being out of a shirley heights mare has no chance of handling it.
however no one i repeat no one will know what the ground will be like on sunday until they get to the course . 6 of the last 7 runnings of the arc have been on good fast ground despite forecasts of soft or even heavy ground in the last few days in the run up to the race.i will be in paris on friday and if they dont have any rain from then until race time i can guarantee you the arc will be run on fastish conditions as per usual.
as for the heavy ground fame and glory being out of a shirley heights mare has no chance of handling it.
however no one i repeat no one will know what the ground will be like on sunday until they get to the course . 6 of the last 7 runnings of the arc have been on good fast ground despite forecasts of soft or even heavy ground in the last few days in the run up to the race.i will be in paris on friday and if they dont have any rain from then until race time i can guarantee you the arc will be run on fastish conditions as per usual.
@ sl72 and all you di was forgot to put the ? at the end of the thread.. funny how little things can make you famous.
My mate asked me to say thank you as he got double figures which is nice for him but not so nice for the poor sods who laid him.
He's a sticky beggar and he's probably laying it back off by now.
That aside this is as expected news and speaks very loudly about the horses chances.
Forgetting the King George and whatever the hell went wrong then, he'd a 4/5 shot to win what after all is a very poor Arc.
The French horse isn't much, AOB has his excuses for that overrated one paced old yolk Fame and Glory not winning ready and waiting and the only horse who could spoil the party is Youmzain who would surely go close to winning on either of his last 2 performaces. Certainly wouldn't be the price he is if he was trained by Henry Cecil or AOB
Piece of Cake Worfkorce Sir Michael Stoute Ryan Moore......that's Stoute with an E if someone can let the engraver know
My mate asked me to say thank you as he got double figures which is nice for him but not so nice for the poor sods who laid him.
He's a sticky beggar and he's probably laying it back off by now.
That aside this is as expected news and speaks very loudly about the horses chances.
Forgetting the King George and whatever the hell went wrong then, he'd a 4/5 shot to win what after all is a very poor Arc.
The French horse isn't much, AOB has his excuses for that overrated one paced old yolk Fame and Glory not winning ready and waiting and the only horse who could spoil the party is Youmzain who would surely go close to winning on either of his last 2 performaces. Certainly wouldn't be the price he is if he was trained by Henry Cecil or AOB
Piece of Cake Worfkorce Sir Michael Stoute Ryan Moore......that's Stoute with an E if someone can let the engraver know
4/5 your backside. Workforce is no Sea The Stars. If Workforce didn't run in the KG he'd have had to run somewhere else so we can knock that one on the head.
Not sure I agree with you there Greame.
Had W not run in what now appears to be the most curious race of the season it is likely he would have contested the Juddmonte at York. And lines through Cape Blanco et al would see him a clear winner there. Then who knows. Destiny hinges on the choices we make.
Had W not run in what now appears to be the most curious race of the season it is likely he would have contested the Juddmonte at York. And lines through Cape Blanco et al would see him a clear winner there. Then who knows. Destiny hinges on the choices we make.
Seeing as Rip Van Winkle, Byword and Twice Over were all well beaten on their next starts after the Juddmonte International (in races they were widely expected to go very close in) do you not think that the Interntional took a lot out of them and therefore they didn't run up to form next time?
The ground was very fast at York and looks like it jarred them up for a while.
The ground was very fast at York and looks like it jarred them up for a while.
http://www2.france-galop.com/fgweb/Domaines/Courses/course_detail.aspx?aaCrs...
Of course it is ony an assumption TD. But had that happened we would have been looking at a completely different scenario on Sunday.
Yep Brigust, definitely adds another intriguing dimension to the race.
More importantly TD have you had a bet?
I've had a bet on Victoire Pisa at big odds. Winner of the Japanesee 2000 gns and 2nd in their Derby. He was a hot favourite in that race but met trouble in running and finished 3rd having already beaten the Derby winner previously. But for that blip he would have been unbeaten in Japan. Had a prep race behind Behkabad and in a year where there could be a shock he has very good credentials. .
I've had a bet on Victoire Pisa at big odds. Winner of the Japanesee 2000 gns and 2nd in their Derby. He was a hot favourite in that race but met trouble in running and finished 3rd having already beaten the Derby winner previously. But for that blip he would have been unbeaten in Japan. Had a prep race behind Behkabad and in a year where there could be a shock he has very good credentials. .
I don't see how Bigrust. If a horse missed the KG and was said to be heading to the Arc after a derby, then everyone would say he's not right and should be absolutely nowhere near 4/5 on the back of one win. The 'what price would he be if he missed the KG' brigade are a bit silly. Yes he's a good price, and has a smashing chance, but he did run in the KD and he did get cuffed.
Here's one angle:
Sir Michael Stoute's best Arc performances to date:
Pilsudski 2nd (twice)
Conduit, Golan and Ezzoud 4th
Islington, North Light and Pure Grain 5th
Greek Dance, Ask and Little Rock 6th
Most of these were better at 1M4 than 1M2 imo (like Harbinger). They lacked the speed for this race.
Is Workforce better/quicker than these? I think so. Will he prove it? I've no idea.
Only Pilsudski ran in the race more than once, which suggests to me that Workforce should be backed this year.
The owner seems to love this race, the jockey and trainer have never won it and this seems like a very good chance.
Sir Michael Stoute's best Arc performances to date:
Pilsudski 2nd (twice)
Conduit, Golan and Ezzoud 4th
Islington, North Light and Pure Grain 5th
Greek Dance, Ask and Little Rock 6th
Most of these were better at 1M4 than 1M2 imo (like Harbinger). They lacked the speed for this race.
Is Workforce better/quicker than these? I think so. Will he prove it? I've no idea.
Only Pilsudski ran in the race more than once, which suggests to me that Workforce should be backed this year.
The owner seems to love this race, the jockey and trainer have never won it and this seems like a very good chance.
I backed Planteur for the race after the French Derby. Thought he was a better horse than Behhabad judged on that run (still green, held up too far back etc). Obviously was dissapointed with his defeat by Behkabad (again) in the prep couple of weeks back, but think he's still got a solid chance. Have a few £'s on Cape Blanco at big prices, but the ground has gone against him now.
Couldn't put you off the Japanese horse, it does have the makings of a 'shock' race.
Couldn't put you off the Japanese horse, it does have the makings of a 'shock' race.
Oops, getting the Prix De Paris mixed up with the French Derby. Backed him after the Grand Prix De Paris.
Duncan 33/1 and 8/1 place could shock a few.
Gosden and Buick are going well at the moment.
Has good form behind Harbinger and ahead of Sans Frontieres this year.
Won its Arc trial the hard way and would be better suited with pacemakers on Sunday.
Another plus is the softer the ground the better according to Gosden
Gosden and Buick are going well at the moment.
Has good form behind Harbinger and ahead of Sans Frontieres this year.
Won its Arc trial the hard way and would be better suited with pacemakers on Sunday.
Another plus is the softer the ground the better according to Gosden
Good to see someone else give a mention to Victoire Pisa!! I have been backing for last couple of weeks at big prices. Certain of getting a run for your cash. Jockey and trainer were bullish about his chances of winning the Japanese triple crown. Watched all his races in Japan, he certainly does it very easily! Prix Niel run was his first for 3 months,and was not given a hard time by Yusaka Take.
amazing how some people continue to disparage japanese form and runners,as if they've barely improved in the last 20 years.
Some,no doubt, will point to the eclipse of deep impact in the arc as proof.
this isn't fair as even though he was a sick horse at the time,he still managed a close third with a previous arc winner behind him.
agnes world,air shakur,the one that won the marois,and el condor pasa mugged near the finish by montjeu,to my anguish ,are all testament to the quality of eastern raiders.
It looks as if the japanese trainers have learnt from d impact's experience in giving their horses prep races.
note how tenderly ridden nakayama festa was in the prix foy.
Some,no doubt, will point to the eclipse of deep impact in the arc as proof.
this isn't fair as even though he was a sick horse at the time,he still managed a close third with a previous arc winner behind him.
agnes world,air shakur,the one that won the marois,and el condor pasa mugged near the finish by montjeu,to my anguish ,are all testament to the quality of eastern raiders.
It looks as if the japanese trainers have learnt from d impact's experience in giving their horses prep races.
note how tenderly ridden nakayama festa was in the prix foy.
You will not hear me knocking the Japanese horses. Both Red Desire and Buena Vista did me good turns in Meydan this year with form to match last years Arc form. I hope they are being under-estimated.
Well done to original poster for thread title...not clever
Maybe next time you should be more "clever" and not believe something posted by a random person a forum next time eh?
Chin up.
Chin up.
If people layed because of this post then they are stupid punters an shouldn't be betting period.
Of course he didn't do it on purpose.
He's just yet another in the long line of attention seeking saddo's
who try to make people think they are "in the know".
It's backfired spectacularly and he'll be miserable when doing his night shift at McDonald's tonight.
He's just yet another in the long line of attention seeking saddo's
who try to make people think they are "in the know".
It's backfired spectacularly and he'll be miserable when doing his night shift at McDonald's tonight.
Anyone who actually laid it on the basis of the opening post deserves everything they get
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"Never said it was out though"
Title of the thread says.........Workforce out of the Arc.
Are you illiterate as well as an attention seeking lying cnut ?
Title of the thread says.........Workforce out of the Arc.
Are you illiterate as well as an attention seeking lying cnut ?
One click just one click..
You sound like you layed it flyingbolt
Might change my name to Nicky Henderson
You sound like you layed it flyingbolt
Might change my name to Nicky Henderson
I think we've all given him enough attention.
Lets move on.
Lets move on.
Of course I didn't lay it YSC.
Just like you didn't back it.Now slither away you stupid cretin.
Just like you didn't back it.Now slither away you stupid cretin.
"I think we've all given him enough attention.
Lets move on. "
Exactly - we don't want this turning in to the horse racing forum. It's all i'll say.
Lets move on. "
Exactly - we don't want this turning in to the horse racing forum. It's all i'll say.
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