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Surely this horse is overpriced.....
Firstly, he is very good at Ascot, he won the big Abou Diaby handicap last season over course and distance, after coming second at the royal meeting just two starts before. And we all know it's a horsesforcourses kind of track.
His old trainer Clive Brittain thinks the same....
25Jul09 Ascot ( 7 Gd ,RPR110 )
It was a carefully laid plan. I told the horse to shed a shoe, keep the others waiting and then destroy them! He does like Ascot and he's a 10lb better horse on this racecourse - Clive Brittain
On the bare face of things, his form this season looks dissapointing. However, if you look at his run at Goodwood behind Sea Lord, it was a very good effort, travelling well and was denied at clear run at a vital point. Time before that he ran really well on his first start for Dandy Nicholls at Ascot in the Victoria Cup. Only beaten four lengths.
He did run abismally last time out at York, however, that can happen at York, just look at Forte De Marmite for example.
Has droppped right back to a winning mark on a course he likes over the correct trip. Let's ave it.
Firstly, he is very good at Ascot, he won the big Abou Diaby handicap last season over course and distance, after coming second at the royal meeting just two starts before. And we all know it's a horsesforcourses kind of track.
His old trainer Clive Brittain thinks the same....
25Jul09 Ascot ( 7 Gd ,RPR110 )
It was a carefully laid plan. I told the horse to shed a shoe, keep the others waiting and then destroy them! He does like Ascot and he's a 10lb better horse on this racecourse - Clive Brittain
On the bare face of things, his form this season looks dissapointing. However, if you look at his run at Goodwood behind Sea Lord, it was a very good effort, travelling well and was denied at clear run at a vital point. Time before that he ran really well on his first start for Dandy Nicholls at Ascot in the Victoria Cup. Only beaten four lengths.
He did run abismally last time out at York, however, that can happen at York, just look at Forte De Marmite for example.
Has droppped right back to a winning mark on a course he likes over the correct trip. Let's ave it.
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Wore blinkers for most of his runs last year, can't say i've noticed if he's had them on for Dandy or not sint ...
I suggest we all back it and then delete this thread, as I have a feeling that this has been "plotted up".
definitely worth a crack at the price. This is a hugh taylor type selection imo.
reason I asked about the headgear is because inbetween his two Ascot runs last season they took them off and he bombed out. Put them on again and bosh! But i'd forgotten he changed trainers anyway so probably irrelevant as Dandy will have his own ideas.
reason I asked about the headgear is because inbetween his two Ascot runs last season they took them off and he bombed out. Put them on again and bosh! But i'd forgotten he changed trainers anyway so probably irrelevant as Dandy will have his own ideas.
Looks a very good shout and as stated above we have horse proven on track, over distance, on likely going, placed off higher handicap mark and trainer in form. the icing on the cake for me is that the trainers 2nd / 3rd strings often run well and in some instances win big handicaps as evidenced last Saturday.Draw bias an imponderable but at the price available worth chancing.
Good luck Gunner and all.
Good luck Gunner and all.
Interesting contender, good luck lads
Ascot isn't my track so I won't jinx this one by backing it
Ascot isn't my track so I won't jinx this one by backing it
Completely agree. When I looked at the race he stood out like a sore thumb. Loves C&D, attractive mark, ran well penultimate start, one bad run easily forgiven when it's perfectly possible that the poor run was planned to get him down a couple more lbs for this. Will start at no bigger than 20/1 and probably has a 10/1-12/1 type chance given overall profile.
Think it's a good shout myself, also took some 40s. No 10/1 shot though.
A bit like Redford had the odd nibble before Saturday[;)]
put up in weekender today....will have brought a few nibbles..
Very interesting shout Gunner. I actually backed him at York, which was a silly bet given his racing style. He was never in the hunt but we've seen that many times before when horses get shuffled back and can't get in a blow on the Knavesmire. Certainly wouldn't put anyone off at 40s and has all the traits to go close if things drop right. Good luck all.
don't know what to make of that, 1st time poster.
bit worrying... but this is the perfect race for him, surely only a injury would be a reason for not running in this.
fingers crossed he's declared.
bit worrying... but this is the perfect race for him, surely only a injury would be a reason for not running in this.
fingers crossed he's declared.
I rang PP 2 days ago and was not offered a price, all excuses not to lay one. Used clueless telephone staff to deliver message but so easy to see through. This will run and is handicapped to win on its favourite course and distance. The move to Dandy is the icing on the cake and being a second or third string in this yard means nothing in big handicaps.
I was gutted with the original poster when this was highlighted because I was (probably foolishly) going to "slow play " its chances on the day but its also refreshing (and re-asssuring) that so many ante post punters also like its chance on Saturday.
I was gutted with the original poster when this was highlighted because I was (probably foolishly) going to "slow play " its chances on the day but its also refreshing (and re-asssuring) that so many ante post punters also like its chance on Saturday.
Is this an official chargeeeeeeeeeeeeee horse now ?
custardcream64 22 Sep 10 23:39
Is this an official chargeeeeeeeeeeeeee horse now ?
Me thinks so. I'm on.
Is this an official chargeeeeeeeeeeeeee horse now ?
Me thinks so. I'm on.
yeah raining quite a bit heere atm.
fwiw sint, 3 of his 4 wins have come with the headgear.
fwiw sint, 3 of his 4 wins have come with the headgear.
Interesting Gunner.
Not sure if he will be wearing them at the weekend, but as mentioned earlier im not totally sure it is crucial as each trainer has their own ideas about what's best for the horse. Dandy may put them on, he may not.
Not sure if he will be wearing them at the weekend, but as mentioned earlier im not totally sure it is crucial as each trainer has their own ideas about what's best for the horse. Dandy may put them on, he may not.
he was even tipped in Weekender on Wednesday... quite disappointing really...
looked an interesting runner
looked an interesting runner
Have already put up Imperial Guest at 33. Can't believe he's still a pony with Hills, may have to go in again...
The booking of C. Sou. for JOHNSTONS horse Colepeper is quite interesting .
Have given a look through this, this morning and 2 i think look overpriced are Imperial Guest at 25s and Golden Desert at 33/4/40s
Both wil do for me e/w
Both wil do for me e/w
mary hinge hope you,ve written paddy a letter of apology for the money his clueless telephone operator saved you !
Murtagh on Sarasota Sunshine for Noseda. Won a good race at Salisbury where Thrill was heavily backed for Gosden. Frankie knew he had a horse and eased by with minimum fuss. Lots more left imo 12/1 is very big.
I backed imperial guest last night just before finding this thread, nearly backed al muheer too, but got distracted by the missus and forgot. Imperial guest ran a blinder last time out, and went well at ascot and goodwood earlier in the season, I think he goes close here.
Imperial Guest at 25/1 generally seems a little on the large side for this imo
Started off the season winning comfortably at Brighton off a mark of 85 over 6f
Nto ran in a competitive Newmarket handicap when he was held up in rear and had absolutely no luck in running behind Noverre to go(over 10l behind Himalya rec 10lbs) over 6f
Went on to run arguably his best race so far when 3rd in the Buckingham Palace handicap here at Ascot when stepped up to 7f (only a neck behind Himalya rec 13 which shows the Newmarket run can be ignored) off a mark of 90 3/4l behind the winner Treadwell giving him 1lb, and gets 8lbs from that rival on Saturday where he went off an unfancied 50/1 shot(Castles in the air,swift gift, light from mars all behind)
Then ran in the 32red Hertitage handicap at Newmarket where he was never in it, ignore
Ran better than his finishing postion may indicate here at Ascot nto when 7th behind Castles in the Air in the Victoria International handicap. When he actually led home his group on the far side off a mark of 93 (gettin 7lbs from the winner, gets 11lbs Saturday)
Was 3rd then nto at Newmarket when again hampered in running behind Al Khaleej off 93 (Redford over 4l behind giving 5lbs, giving 11lbs on sat- Gallagher also well behind) was also unfancied this day at 16/1
Stepped back down in trip nto at Yarmouth and never rose a gallop behind Harry patch when going off 2nd fav and finishing 5th of 6
The lto bounced right back to form when stepped back upto 7f at Doncaster 7f in another competitive Class 2 handicap when just getting touched off by Irish Heartbeat off a mark of 92 - was a big step back up in form on his previous run and looked to enjoy the step back up to 7f on better ground - same mark on Saturday
2good runs over the CD this year - Lookin through his form this year he seems to run better when he is unfancied in the betting [smiley:crazy] has nt been beaten too far in some very competitive races this season, sneaks in off bottom weight here with Seb Sanders up and runs off the same mark as he was a good 2nd off last time- draw looks good hopefully(who knows anymore till the race is over) as does ground
25s generally seems a decent bet e/w hopin he puts his best foot forward
Will give a look through the low drawn wons later, gotta av one drawn both sides these days imo[smiley:crazy]
Started off the season winning comfortably at Brighton off a mark of 85 over 6f
Nto ran in a competitive Newmarket handicap when he was held up in rear and had absolutely no luck in running behind Noverre to go(over 10l behind Himalya rec 10lbs) over 6f
Went on to run arguably his best race so far when 3rd in the Buckingham Palace handicap here at Ascot when stepped up to 7f (only a neck behind Himalya rec 13 which shows the Newmarket run can be ignored) off a mark of 90 3/4l behind the winner Treadwell giving him 1lb, and gets 8lbs from that rival on Saturday where he went off an unfancied 50/1 shot(Castles in the air,swift gift, light from mars all behind)
Then ran in the 32red Hertitage handicap at Newmarket where he was never in it, ignore
Ran better than his finishing postion may indicate here at Ascot nto when 7th behind Castles in the Air in the Victoria International handicap. When he actually led home his group on the far side off a mark of 93 (gettin 7lbs from the winner, gets 11lbs Saturday)
Was 3rd then nto at Newmarket when again hampered in running behind Al Khaleej off 93 (Redford over 4l behind giving 5lbs, giving 11lbs on sat- Gallagher also well behind) was also unfancied this day at 16/1
Stepped back down in trip nto at Yarmouth and never rose a gallop behind Harry patch when going off 2nd fav and finishing 5th of 6
The lto bounced right back to form when stepped back upto 7f at Doncaster 7f in another competitive Class 2 handicap when just getting touched off by Irish Heartbeat off a mark of 92 - was a big step back up in form on his previous run and looked to enjoy the step back up to 7f on better ground - same mark on Saturday
2good runs over the CD this year - Lookin through his form this year he seems to run better when he is unfancied in the betting [smiley:crazy] has nt been beaten too far in some very competitive races this season, sneaks in off bottom weight here with Seb Sanders up and runs off the same mark as he was a good 2nd off last time- draw looks good hopefully(who knows anymore till the race is over) as does ground
25s generally seems a decent bet e/w hopin he puts his best foot forward
Will give a look through the low drawn wons later, gotta av one drawn both sides these days imo[smiley:crazy]
Ive backed Imperial Guest too at 33's but having done a bit of research on the effect of the draw over 7 furlongs at Ascot over the past 6 years Ive discovered this: Of the past 25 7f races (Victoria Cup, Buck Palace handicap, Inetrnational and Challenge Trophy) when theres a field of 26 or more and the ground is riding good or faster (which was 12 of the 25 races), the highest drawn horse each time has won three times, been second twice and third twice which is pretty good. Noble Citizen has this years plum draw in 29 so if it stays quick it will be interesting to see how he gets on given hes 25-1 at the mo and has run 2 good races over the straight 7f and 8f track.
draw wont be that important as they'll all come down the middle
Sticking with an e-w bet on the JOHNSTON/SOUMILLON combo of COLEPEPER and a saver on SIDE GLANCE who will be supported by the course and going .
Did Seb go a bit too soon? Great run, just wish I laid off a bit in-running- went close to evens.
Mmm not sure .. Winner in great nick at the moment imo.
They did not run Al Muheer because they had Redford. One for next season,perhaps.
I think Imperial Guest would have gone much closer if the ground hadnt slowed up as hes definitely better on faster ground. His run seemed to peter out very quickly. The high draw bias I predicted did appear, probably because that side of the straight 7 & 8 furlongs just doesnt get used as much as the other side until they meet the round course so its virgin ground. Anyway, still collected on the e/w bit so musnt grumble!
gl gun.
needs to return to form imo but certainly has his favourite conditions on saturday. I'll wait until saturday before deciding to back him or not.
needs to return to form imo but certainly has his favourite conditions on saturday. I'll wait until saturday before deciding to back him or not.
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