TTF! RACING POST GUIDE TO THE JUMPS inc TEN TO FOLLOW JUMPS 2010/11 books

Your totally right Ad man,Should the leader's slip up Im well within shooting distance, and I can honestly say picking my two subs has been the most headwreckingly painful fun I've had since I had a girlfriend

Trouble is chosing obvious subs will not out-fox all th ehigher placed lists. Chosing something obscure carries the risk of a total blow out. But hey, I think I have to gamble now (note to self, be braver at the start ( didn't I say that last year?)).

Obvious subs if you dont have them are:
Binocular - Champion prepared for one race
Master Minded - Somersby far too close for my liking
Big Bucks - is it possible that Grand Cru can beat him
Finians Rainbow -
Time for Rupert - banker for a lot of people

Now as the records of favs under 4/1 is so poor circa 8/9 from 60 in the last three years and Big Bucks is two of them !

Gold Cup is hugely competitive
Champion Hurdle is between three
What can win the Arkle and the RSA will be on most peoples minds - Time for Rupert and Finians will be massive choices for people me thinks

Obvious subs if you dont have them are:
Binocular - Champion prepared for one race
Master Minded - Somersby far too close for my liking
Big Bucks - is it possible that Grand Cru can beat him
Finians Rainbow -
Time for Rupert - banker for a lot of people

Now as the records of favs under 4/1 is so poor circa 8/9 from 60 in the last three years and Big Bucks is two of them !

Gold Cup is hugely competitive
Champion Hurdle is between three
What can win the Arkle and the RSA will be on most peoples minds - Time for Rupert and Finians will be massive choices for people me thinks

Ps I once put in a Calgary bay instead of Our Vic and cost myself 6th place so long shots are not always the way !

Got this from totesport


Hi

During the Bonus window we need to suppress the leaderboard containing ‘selections of the leaders’ as it would be considered unfair to publish their Bonus horses selections while the window is open.

However the overall leaderboard, minus selections was published in yesterdays Racing Post and will appear again in Friday’s edition.

The online leaderboard will available again early next week.

Regards,

tote Ten to Follow

W: ttf.totesport.com
T:  0800 666 160

I've made a list of horses to use as subs.
But it doesn't look too inspired.
**scratches head**

I know the feeling.............
10 lists in Top 500 so need inspiration!
IMHO It basically revolves around a) play safe or b) take a high risk alternative

With ten lists you can afford to mix it up a bit. We really have only three in contention.

Interesting that Solwhit now goes for World Hurdle.

done my bonus list at last....must say it is a great weight of my shoulders..now wait for Racing Post to say scratched..stood on a stone!!!...good luck all

I was hoping they'd keep Solwhit ready for AIN as the 2 1/2 mile race is usually a weak affair and should be an easy 25 pts. He doesn't look like a 3m horse at this level(perhaps non-testing ground at an easy course) and his only trip to CHL was disappointing.

I've got four lists in the mix, so going to shake it up a bit. Still searching for a true dark horse.

Time For Rupert looks quite solid. I can only find one to give him a race. The only risk would be a fast pace and large field forcing some jumping errors. Think he was the last horse I scratched.

Not so convinced about Finnan's Rainbow...

Same here REM..had Time For Rupert in my original lists and replaced with Reve De Sivola..what a total muppet!!!

Yep. I seem to have a knack of making wrong decisions at the eleventh hour.

I always used to include a few novices before the RSA and Arkle became 50 pointers. For the last few years I've taken the view that these are open races and that they are ideal for subs. What happens is that the hyped horses pick up enough points before CHL to merrit inclusion and come CHL I need to sub in for the other races too.

TFR's 2nd to Big Bucks was stand out form and it was just a question of will he jump. (Yes he can.)

We had very little to do with novices when compiling our original lists, thinking that they we're excellent candidates for bonus horses after we saw how the season unwould, so most of our subs will be novices and Ryanair horses.

Bonus horses selected and input safely!

All done and dusted. Had to go big with TFR and jumbled up the rest. Disappointing that so many of my outside fancies are not in the comp. Surely as they have a transfer window for Cheltenham they should at least add horses to the comp who feature prominently?

I can feel the Cheltenham tingle already.



Good luck everyone.

Just finished mine.
Can't believe that my idea of the Grand National winner (State of Play) isn't in after being placed for last two years.

Who's going to Cheltenham this year? JOCI Club will be there for all four days cheering on our point scorers!

Mine are done - cant believe how many horses are not in the list to be picked - this used to be 1000 horses then 600 then 500 then 400 ! about 75 are injured horses, horses  like AEGEAN DAWN, Ainteenthirty not in - they have trimmed it too much -  this transfer window has about 12 horses you can really pick and very few dark horses - Website needs a revamp as well- always thought at this tage they should add horses that have suddenly appeared and novices and 4 yr olds - quick qestion , how many horses are in the contest in the Racing Post Chase?

Dunno but remember noting that the outright 2nd on leaderboard had Nacarat on his list

God, I had an awful dilemma with which horses to pick. I changed my mind at least 20 times but now its done. Put in Poquelin instead of Albertas Run as my Ryanair horse after changing my mind at the VERY last minute.
BTW, the third placed fella has Nacarat!

Could do with Nacarat getting beaten then!

Here is what the top ten have picked - very interesting choices me thinks and most people taking a few risks except the leader !
https://ttf.totesport.com/TTFLeaderboards/LeaderBoard.aspx?CompetitionId=14&PrizeId=1&LeagueId=0

You're right ad man, there are so few horses available to pick from, looking at the leaderboard's subs confirms this. From my own selfish point of view, they have vastly reduced my chances of any success as already had TFR, Medermit and Jessies Dream in a list in top 100. This list also had 10 scoring horses, therefore any of my subs' points (if any) will not count in full

Like you guys..I was wanting to put in TFR BUT thought if Iwas to have a chance of getting in the money I had to take afew risks...so my strategy involved afew fancied horses like Menorah and Riverside Theatre mixed in perms with afew of the lesser lights such as Wayward Prince, Mourad and Fiveforthree..my thinking being if anything goes wrong with Big Bucks then hopefully one of Mullins two could take advantage...risky I know but a miss is as good as a mile!!!!Good luck all

Correct - a miss is as good as a mile and I suspect the further down the leaderboard you go the more speculative the subs will be, the leaders have been very protective and cautious, probably too so imo, one or two outsiders and they're there for the taking

There are a couple of people who have a lot of lists left so their perms will be huge Buzzword has a load of perms i would think - if i could pick a list the guy in 2nd would be the one i would take anyway good luck boys

Cheltenham can sometimes be more difficult if you're in contention for a prize in the Ten To Follow comp. A few years ago, after Rooster Booster won the Champion Hurdle on the Tuesday, we were in 2nd place overall in the competition. Sadly, our list didn't have Moscow Flyer, who came out and won the Queen Mother on the Wednesday, aided by the two other contenders at the time (Latalomne, and another horse) falling either side of him a couple of fences from home. So it went from elation to despair.

Eventually finished 13th, but would have been top 10 had Rooster Booster not been short headed at Aintree a couple of weeks later.

Going into Cheltenham in 54th place, so without great expectations, but rather a slim chance. so hopefully the nerves won't be too bad.

I have that many lists that I don't really keep a close track on them all, but some of my lowest lits overall seemed to have far better chances at Cheltenham,(in respect of current betting markets anyway).  I had a few with less than 200 points that have a horse below in the first half dozen in the betting in a 50pt race.  Low pointed, short priced horses at the moment include Imperial Commander, Binocular, Captain Chris, Somersby, Big Bucks.  And of course Denman and Kauto Star - and I wouldn't write either of those two off.

MESSAGE FOR JOCI..Just out of curiosity my best list is on 411 and contains the following... Hurricane FLY, Master Minded,Binocular,Big Zeb,Long Run,Diamond Harry,Finnians Rainbow,Big Bucks, Denman, Kauto.....as you can see similar in many places to many people.....my 2bonus horses are Menorah (think he is the likeliest winner of Champion) and my wild card is Wayward Prince..also have alist on 396 with the dreaded Reve De Sivola...just out of interest what was in your list on 413?

List on 413:

Binocular
Hurricane Fly
Big Zeb
Imperial Commander
Long Run
Kempes
Big Buck's
Punchestowns
Golden Silver
Weird Al
Poquelin *
Time For Rupert *

List on 400:

Binocular
Peddlers Cross
Master Minded
Kauto Star
Long Run
What A Friend
Big Buck's
Solwhit
Golden Silver
Diamond Harry
Poquelin *
Time For Rupert *

List on 381:

Binocular
Hurricane Fly
Master Minded
Kauto Star
Long Run
Imperial Commander
Big Buck's
Big Zeb
Solwhit
Denman
Riverside Theatre *
Time For Rupert *

I like the look of the 381 list...best of luck

Alderbrook - with your bonus selection for your first list, you've done something I wouldn't consider doing: you selected a third Champion Hurdle horse, when you already had the 1st and 2nd favourites (in Binocular and Hurricane Fly) in your list. I'd have definitely left it to those two, and then targetted another bonus race e.g. Ryanair with my spare bonus horse, which would have given you full coverage of the 7 Cheltenham bonus races. It may well pay off for you however, so let's wait and see.

Iknow but I really do fancy Menorah and saved my Ryanair horses for my lower lists...risky strategy I know but worth a punt

Risky, as you have 7 horses tied up in 2 bonus races (Gold Cup / Champion Hurdle).

A Menorah win would be horrible for us, as we were no big on him at the start of the comp, and as we had two Champion Hurdle horses in each list, could not justify bringing him in as a sub horses when we had 2 / 3 bonus races not covered.

Those of us without a Racing Post Chase horse in our leading lists will be hoping the race fall to one of the following (non TTF) horses:

Crescent Island
Mostly Bob
Saqualrique
Polyfast
Safari Adventures

Its over a season , JOCI let them win if they get a chance - the horse who wins this wont get that many more points for me ! I have a list in 16th - dont fancy it to win as think Cheltenham winners will include Menorah, Denman,Kempes, Master Minded but already had these races covered so you have to go with what you have -

Hurricane, Cue, Big Z, Big B, R Theatre, Long Run, Imp Comm, Solwhit, Silver by N and Golden Silver - subbed in Time for Rup and Finians - have other lists in top 100 and mixed them about a bit more Medermitt Gigginstown horses, etc - Tried to take a learning from a past comp where I left out Our Vic at sub stage, sometimes the obvious is a route best served - gob smacked that the ten leaders have not done the same - mind Buzzword has so many hovering lists that he must have loads of the top horses covered.I hope mine goes on to Aintree with a chance its all about fun really and it does save/cost you more in not backing some of your selections in races !

Pretty happy with the outcome of the Racing Post Chase - could have been worse I suspect. Another bullet dodged.

JOCI - unbelievable!

If your list on 381 wins you'll be sharing the prize with me. TFR & RT subbed in to an identical list.

I should be so lucky to share 1st prize!

I wouldn't say no to sharing first prize.
But not holding my breath.

CANT ACCESS THE WEBSITE..IS IT ME?

i couldnt access it yday, havent tried today.

ok today

Dunguib
Big Zeb
Kalahari King
Kauto Star
Mikael D'Hagunet

I just nearly checked the website to see how I was doing in the monthly comp.

I think I'll wait for 10 days....

there isn't a monthly comp for March this year, just a Cheltenham one if I understand correctly

That's rough if anyone would have won it, but doesn't scoop the Chelt prize.

RIVERSIDE THEATRE has a hairline fracture to his pelvis and will miss the Cheltenham Festival in was revealed on Sunday.

He was a top-priced 11-2 second favourite for the Ryanair Chase.

Out of our top 3 lists, Riverside Theatre went into the 3rd placed one. Poquelin went in the 1st and 2nd placed list. Looks an easier assignment for Poquelin now the main rival is out of action.

all gone wrong here with Riverside in most lists..the only way I can sneak it now is for Mourad or Fiveforthree to win World hurdle and Wayward Prince to win RSA...A REMOTE POSSIBILITY AT BEST:-(

Solwhit finished for the season...

Poquelin beat 3 milers last time and Great Endeavour(moral winner IMHO)was absolutely murdered on the turn in, where he lost position and serious momentum. Kalahari King and Tranquil Sea will pose a far more serious threat.

disaster the last 2 days, lost both riverside theatre and solwhit!

Lost Riverside Theatre(sub), Diamond Harry, and Solwith
Game over methinks, had a great run though. If What a Friend wins the Gold Cup @ around 50/1 I might still make the money[:)]

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Poquelin beat 3 milers last time and Great Endeavour(moral winner IMHO)was absolutely murdered on the turn in, where he lost position and serious momentum. Kalahari King and Tranquil Sea will pose a far more serious threat.


Poquelin was giving Great Endeavour 16lbs and won a length. He was giving Sunnyhillboy 22lbs and beat it 7 lengths. Can see much wrong with that.

The final stage of the TTF kicks off very soon.

Those on the main leaderboard will be torn between who they want to win from a betting perspective, and who they would like to win from a TTF perspective. Those not on the main leaderboard will be hoping to have an interest in the Cheltenham Festival prize!

Lots to play for, so good luck all!

binocular out.

It all happens over the next four days but I can't see it happening for me.  I just love the festival. Might play my video of Dessie to get me in the mood.

Went to a point and watched a youthful My Way de Solzen beat 15yo Thisthatandtother yesterday. It really warms the heart to see these old favourites still running and enjoying themselves.

Let's hope the horses come back safe and well.

Good luck everyone.

Yep, good luck all. We're all in with a shout of the Festival prize!

The leaderboard could well be turned on it's head by 6pm Friday. Ive lost Riverside Theatre, Diamond Harry, Solwith and now Binocular but am still irrationally optimistic. The Monday before the Festival is just like Christmas eve when you were a kid, Enjoy it and Good Luck all

I've got 3 Chelt lists on 104.

Bet Number: 1
1053 Captain Chris (54)    1157 Hurricane Fly (50)    1036 Big Buck's    1121 Fiveforthree*    1161 Imperial Commander
1180 Kauto Star    1199 Mad Max    1211 Master Minded    1240 Niche Market*    1305 Riverside Theatre
1390 What A Friend    1396 Wymott              
Points Total for this Bet: 104    Overall position: 345

Bet Number: 1
1053 Captain Chris* (54)    1157 Hurricane Fly (50)    1036 Big Buck's    1059 Catch Me    1161 Imperial Commander
1180 Kauto Star    1199 Mad Max    1211 Master Minded    1276 Poquelin*    1310 Royal Charm
1390 What A Friend    1396 Wymott              
Points Total for this Bet: 104    Overall position: 345

Bet Number: 2
1053 Captain Chris* (54)    1157 Hurricane Fly (50)    1036 Big Buck's    1038 Big Zeb    1070 Cockney Trucker
1091 Diamond Harry    1180 Kauto Star    1195 Long Run    1199 Mad Max    1276 Poquelin*
1361 The Giant Bolster    1366 The Nightingale              
Points Total for this Bet: 104    Overall position: 345

Dont get too excited with over 200 in front of you, its almost certain that someone has all your bases covered.

REVE DE SIVOLA 3RD...WAYWARD PRINCE 3RD...A MCOY WIN WOULD HAVE OUT ME IN THE TOP 20...SO SO CLOSE..OH WELL ROLL ON NEXT YEAR

Looks like another near miss for me in the 10 To Follow. I was in 48th before today, and have got Long Run, but so has everyone else. Need at least 2 winners at Aintree to make the top 10.

know how you feel..am in 72nd...had mccoy given Wayward Prince a decent ride he should have won the RSA AND THAT WOULD HAVE PUT ME IN THE TOP 12...but been great fun

I was 285th at Chelt with 245pts.
And I'm 912nd with 540 overall.

I'm amazed that the people in 8th overall and that were 2nd at Chelt never put any subs in. 

I am 30th on 617 points.
Glad i won £5k in December's monthly prize...anything else is a bonus [;)]

Good luck - we dropped away as bonus horses failed to fire.

That's impressive, TT.
Have you got any special at Aintree?

Not sure who is going to aintree and who may wait for punchestowns!
My best lists copy and pasted:
1157 Hurricane Fly (150)     1195 Long Run (108)     1036 Big Buck's (85)     1008 Albertas Run* (54)     1267 Peddlers Cross (47)
1224 Mille Chief (39)     1038 Big Zeb (37)     1332 Solwhit (37)     1039 Binocular (35)     1161 Imperial Commander (25)
1080 Cue Card (12)     1396 Wymott*               
Points Total for this Bet: 617     Overall position: 30
1157 Hurricane Fly (150)     1195 Long Run (108)     1036 Big Buck's (85)     1211 Master Minded (70)     1267 Peddlers Cross (47)
1038 Big Zeb (37)     1039 Binocular (35)     1161 Imperial Commander (25)     1132 French Opera (15)     1080 Cue Card (12)
1170 Jessies Dream* (12)     1364 The Midnight Club*               
Points Total for this Bet: 584     Overall position: 181

1157 Hurricane Fly (150)     1195 Long Run (108)     1036 Big Buck's (85)     1211 Master Minded (70)     1008 Albertas Run* (54)
1224 Mille Chief (39)     1039 Binocular (35)     1378 Tranquil Sea (25)     1080 Cue Card (12)     1117 Finian's Rainbow* (12)
1284 Punchestowns (12)     1382 Vic Venturi               
Points Total for this Bet: 590     Overall position: 136
Above 2 lists at least has a grand national runner!!!

Note: top list adds upto 629 but you lose 12 points from cue card as only your top 10 scoring horses count!

Nice one tt. I have one similar to your top list and subbed in Albertas Run too. Just a few points behind you.



But I also have What A Friend.



I might get excited come GN day!

579 is our best

With regard to TT's top list, how many points will he need to get a top ten place come Saturday evening?

You must be excited TT.

I'll settle for the Aintree prize. 

Only 29points off 10th place!
Dissapointed that Long Run and Imperial Commander are not running at Aintree....
Need  horses to win that people above me aint got!!!!!!!!!!
They must all have Big Bucks tomorrow

Fronm the point of view of the Aintree comp, I've got a fair number of runners and have subbed some in the National.
A win for Denman would be bad for me.

Good luck TT.

Yep, IC would have given me a better chance of climbing upwards. Hoping for Binocular, Albertas Run & What A Friend to give me a lift (not sure if Big Buck's makes any difference). WAF alone would probably get me in the money as things stand, but he has to carry a big weight. First time in umpteen years that I've still had a shout come Aintree. Must be grateful for that.

Good luck to everyone else still hoping for something.

REM, I'll cheer WAF on (if he is over the last against none of mine) for you?

So will I, we were 2nd in the April comp after yesterday, and have WAF in that list. Also has Binocular, Finian's Rainbow and Great Endeavour running tomorrow. Sadly, that list had Big Zeb rather than Master Minded!

Shame about Albertas Run. AP threw everything at the horse for the last mile. Still moved up the table with MM. I think Peddlers Cross would stuff me, so need Binocular or any other in the hurdle. Then it's all down to WAF, although I don't know how many others ahead of me who have WAF too? 

GL for the April prize JOCI.

I'm in 38th after Master Minded. Have got Binocular and Great Endeavour running today. Might be able to sneak into the money if they both win, and other results go my way. Best of luck to everyone still in with a shout.

Yep - good luck to all in contention for a prize!

How did folks end up then?

I was 932nd with 590 overall.

And 284th with 86 in April.

My brother has finished 6th.

I finished 59th overall with 666 points,reasonably satisfactory

Good competition this year,plenty in with chances until late stages, April prize  welcome innovation in my opinion

FINISHED 26TH...STILL DONT AGREE WITH SUBSTITUTIONS

Well done to your brother PH.

I don't like the subs either.

He only did 2 entries.£20 for a £7500 pay out not bad.

Well, a top 100 finish for me in the end. Which is a good run for my money and more than I expected. Strangely, all the question marks I had down against my horses came true - so I certainly can have no complaints!

I finished 73rd with 662 points. Another good effort, but not quite good enough to make the money.

I finished 51st and about another 3 lists in the top 100.
Glad I shared the December monthly prize with 3 others. £5,000
Good profit on my investment and in with a shout right to the end, which is always a bonus...
normally on the jumps I have given up all hope by xmas!

Well done !