I don't dispute that he is a very good horse, and COULD be a very good 3yo. I just think that the hype thrown onto his potential 3yo career was ridiculous, and happened because of what STS achieved.

Can't see him running in the Arc myself,could see him back at HQ for the champion stakes AFTER a small race here in Ireland,Cape Blanco going to Doncaster.

Bellamy I brought the French Derby form up but never said Behkabar was awful but it would take another step forward for him to be top class, imo. He is definitely a case of the best available though if not the best possible.
I too cannot see SNA running in the Arc but I will not be laying him anytime soon.
Thank goodness the 3 year old milers look top class this season because the longer distance runners do look a bit limited, I think you will agree?

*on Arc day

the shortness in the betting suggests hes going to turn up. idegive him a big chance wouldnt suprise me 1 buit if he won it

I wouldn't lay him, noone kmows what is going on with him, I hardly feel qualified to have an oppinion

The gullible being reeled in again. He has an entry so they can say that's how much they think of him but he isn't quite ready yet. If he wins the Arc John McRirick will win 100m olympic gold.

It's our duty as forumites, punters and viewers to stop giving their horses more attention than other peoples. It only adds to the hype and gives lazy journos the ammo to write about them all the time. Why don't we make threads about other trainers whos horse won't run....let's make a thread about John Oxx sending Arazan.

"Arazan (4) is more 'hype' than SNA because he hasn't won anything of note"




That's a load of mince. How can their be more hype surrounding an injured horse than SNA, who is one of the most over hyped horses of all time. What has SNA done apart from win a race that Crowded House won a year before ?

Is that the same race won by Derby winners Authorized, Motivator and High Chaparral? He has won a Group 1 unlike Arazan. He has finished 6th in the 2000 Guineas unlike Arazan. He was unbeaten as a 2 year old unlike Arazan. He is ready to return to the track unlike Arazan. Is that enough for you?

that when the problem wid SNA was highlighted as previously was murdering all on the gallops it may have been a mixture of Midas Touch improving has shown good from this year and SNA being below form that why he has been off. Basically due to hype his guineas run was deemed below par but look what all the horses around him has done since. The point of this thread was to highlight that if were to run in a poor looking arc 50s on here a few weeks back would look good on the day ;)

Calm  down Graeme, you do make me chuckle.
AOB elected SNA as his best 3 year old this year. Nothing that has happened so far has disproved that fact. In fact there is still every possibilty he may be proved right. Of course there is also the possibilty that SNA may not be as good as they or we first thought. Don't forget Ryan Moore chose Workforce instead of Harbinger. And I am sure MS was fully behind him. Things happen and, unlike you, we do not have the benefit of hindsight. If, as you say, SNA was over hyped then that would provide you with a great opportunity to make some dough so instead of moaning just cash in.
However where I totally and absolutely disagree with you is when you say the horse was over hyped. He was not.
He was, hopefully, the champion we all look forward to every year through the winter months and the beginning of a new flat season, the classics. No-one knew what the future held but he was unbeaten in three races. He had won possibly the best Group 1 of the year impressively. His trainer stated he was the best he had in training and his list of good 2 year olds was long. That is not hype. That is fact. Whether you believe that or not is your problem. The trainer, the jockey, the press, the formbook and everyone else who follow him may have been wrong but they are facts, like it or not.

Graeme, Graeme, Graeme. You must start trying to make your case without the benefit of hindsight. That is the position I am, and have always been working from.
At the time of the Guineas the winner of the RP Trophy (SNA) hadn't run but the 2nd and 4th had run, in the Craven, and run impressively. Supporting the so called 'hype' surrounding SNA. Al Zir, had been unbeaten prior to his 3rd in the RP trophy, and the word from Godolphin, at the time and supported by FD riding him in the Guineas, that he was their best 3 year old. Everything surrounding SNA and even the subsequent success of the first three in the 2000 Guineas show that AOB had every right to think he was thier best horse.
This is definitely and absolutely not hype. Subsequent results may mean they, and I, were wrong but that is only with the benefit of hindsight. A precious commodity available only to a select few.

He could be anything, that's why I'sd haste to lay him, what if he brings his early homework to the track?

Maybe they are moving the Arc to Dundalk this year. I'm sure Rusti will be along to explore the possibility.

A few things here.

Graeme - SNA was not getting tonked on the gallops by MT, this is fact - not silly speculation or rumour.

When judging horses i find it more profitable to judge a horse on ability and form rather that it happened to win a certain 2 year old mile race that i simply have never liked. The fact it ran in the racing post, which seems to be your whole anchor of your argument is not only silly but illogical.

Btw im a celtic man and am not after an argument.

Cheers.

Same as the Dewhurst...........SFA!

'There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealing is done!'

But the trouble is they hardly ever go off at really fancy prices because of the hype, even in you followed RVW through the losing times you cant have made much of a profit unless you like Martin Gayle

Then you ARE going to go skint following the wrong one

brigust1 Joined: 07 Dec 01
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The 'basis' you are asking about is this:

1) Went into winter quarters as potentially a superstar.

2) Ran 3 times unbeaten as 2 y old including a Group 1.

3) Was hot favourite for possibly the best 2000 Guineas for a decade and not beaten far.

was it[smiley:crazy]