PADDY POWER GOLD CUP CHELTENHAM NOV 10

The Prawn Curry is very warming

I don't know about meat loaf but there is plenty of bread with it!

5 months off a big chase handicap and we are already discussing it - brilliant. Personally i think Othermix is always over priced.

The Nightingale on soft ;)

Yep I agree Othermix will definitely win a decent prize this coming season. i was on him for the Jewson. My only reservation is that Tom george's horses nearly need a run.

How about Bedlam Boy?

Bedlam Boy is a good shout.

One more, Weird Al.

I just think Weird Al will be badly handicapped this season and maya ctually struggle to win a race.

Trying to think of what twiston Davies may enter as his string are usually flying early in the season. Little Josh, Pigeon Island perhaps??

think Weird Al would be a certainty.

underrated horse.

Kempes

Sunnyhillboy is a stone bonking certainty, hth.

F Murphy runner to be 1 fence behind everything else after 1/2 a mile.

Cert

HEY BIG SPENDER (NAP)

mlb

Little Josh interests me if NTD can iron out afew jumping problems.

Copper Bleu

Long Run

If he were mine I would run Diamond Harry in this. Very good record fresh. The other one would be Roberto Goldback. Now the irish have broken the hoodoo what price they provide the winner two years running?

breedzbreeze. think the henderson horse whos owned by nesbitt might run aswell and looks a good type for it

Sunnyhillboy big chance especially if AP back on top. Roll on.

Billie Magern?? I seem to remember Ollie Magern going close in this

Riverside Theatre.

billie magern more of a hennesy type imo. looks a great prospect. not convinced by his jumping just yet

BENSALEM

agree with bensalem but hope they have him schooling through out the summer.super run over hurdles to end the season-horse has serious engine.

Marked Great Endeavour down for this after his Festival win.

I was going to give bensalem a mention, but wasnt sure if the trip would be a bit sharp, and the fences a bit high.

Nicanor?

Bensalem in the Hennessey surely?

^ Must be right.

Great race, nearly always goes to a second season chaser with what turns out to be a very workable mark. Love Bensalem 4 next season, Henessey + Gold cup route 4 me tho. China Rock wud interest me off 145 or below. Lets start a fred 4 the Greatwood [:D]

this bensalem is one of these horses that people will follow off a cliff and will turn out to be useless

^ rubbish

Agreed, not like he wasn't cruising in the William Hill, definitely has ability, crazy statement.

Bensalem career form figures

11112112F2F2, both times fell when holding every chance, particularly that in the William Hill, and finished last season off with a fine second to top mare Quevega in a grade 1

pretty useless imo

Yep that Bensalem must be useless




Have you ever been guilty of saying anything sensible,Dananders ??

i cant wait for it, the flat is so boring, at least over the jumps we see them year after year!

I'm still reeling from his Billy Hill race, he was cantering.

i didnt say he was useless i said hell turn out to be useless . a bit like my way de solzen declined and katchit has declined. change of trainer you might have a horse capable of finishing a fine 2nd to big bucks in the world hurlde

Nothing wrong with Alan King, an even more ridiculous comment.

with ap back on sunnyhillboy will make the frame. i have a lot of time for young jockeys but frankly mclernon gave him a bad ride at the festival. thinking bensalem will end up useless is an utterly ridiculous thing to say. he is one of those horses that has form figures to emphasise just how big an engine he has, never out the first 2.

Borough HGill Lad couldn't jump to save itself at start of novice career, while not for a secong suggesting Bensalem will reach these dizzy heights, the point is it can be done and if the horse can be trained to learn to jump properly it could go all the way to the top. Hennessy the race though not PP.

Prince de Beauchene anyone?

agree with dananders

Bensalem has shown massive signs of regression, you know that second place finish in a grade 1 hurdle last time out?

more than happy to put on here that bensalem will never win a grade 1 over hurdles or fences

horse has absolutely no top class WINNING form. his biggest win is over our bomber harris. and he even got beat by the slow boat take the breeze from the nicholls yard

Been to this meeting for all bar one since 2003 i think, a great weekend- fcuck sake lads ye are starting early with this thread

not sure Prince De Beachene would like Cheltenham tbh.

But he is a fine scopey individual and a half brother to Miko. Howard has looked after this one imo.

dan, you're may be right, he probably won't win a grade 1 over fences or hurdles, but to say he'll turn out to be useless and that he needs a change of trainer is a stupid statement.

Besides, just because a certain horse doesn't win a grade 1 does not make them useless

hope this helps

CORRECT ^

useless is harsh but hell be way too short next run

Bensalem is and will continue to be a very good horse. He had a frustrating year last year (like many in the yard)but will come back. Of that I have no doubt. I think he will be a Hennessy horse to start with. After all, that handicap mark needs to be exploited in a big race over fences.

Hopefully after a good performance (and victory!) connections then have a decision to make about his long term future. With Big Bucks dominating the hurdling division I would try him in another race after The Hennessy before the Cotswold and then, depending on the outcome, a race at The Festival.

As for the comment on AK. Ridiculous. He has forgotten more about horses than many of us will ever know.

Tartak may be on a decent mark?

I think Bensalem can continue to progress but 2m 4f looks way to short to be seen at his best. Weird Al would run off 152, but if he is potentially top class then would hve to go close, he will have to spot Sunnyhillboy 13lbs which is an ask. As there is a dirth of decent second season chasers this season, I am interested in Copper Bleu off 147. His defeat of Othermix in the Jewson off 139 ( 3 1/2 lengths giving him 1lb)was impressive - I think he can handle a rise of 8lbs as he won with a bit in hand. Certianly couldn't see Othermix turning the form around off 142. The first time tongue tie and step up in trip brought about improvement, and as he was fourth in the Supreme Novices' Hurdle (touched off by Somersby) he could yet prove to be progressive even at the age of 8.

What mark would Crack Away Jack be on for this please?

149 FFT.

1st choice has to be great endeavour he was close up of the strongest run 2m5 ch at the festival and still had enough to fend of sunnyhillboy who is 2nd choice as he had a rough passage in that race both rated low 140s perfect for paddy power. fancied riverside theatre but he is rated a tad high at 154 CANT WAIT!!!!!!!

Great Endeavour would have to be in the shake up on a line through Sunnyhillboy, will be 4lbs worse off for a length and a quarter, but he did have a featherweight in the Byrne plate (as did the first three home) in a race that was run at an excessive pace.

cheers ammers, would be very interesting off this mark if this was to be a target imo

surely bensalems target will be the welsh national?

Copper Bleu?

TTT

War of the world???

Wasnt put in the race at all on saturday and seemed to be using it as a prep race for Galway possibly?

Is at least 5 times better than saturdays effort. May struggle to get in but!

Great Endeavour surely the one here, always highly thought of and had a few warm ups before Cheltenham in March to ensure a competitive rating. Long way off and always a competitive race but got to be a strong fancy looking at his connections' record in the race.

Copper Bleu would have to be of interest.

Dave's Dream - get the impression he was looked after a bit last year.

Seven is my Number.

Hey Big Spender is high on my short list

Bensalem will surely go for one of the big handicap chases but more likely the Henessy instead of this?

Can novices enter this one without running 3 times before hand.  If so I would fancy On Raglan Road. I think he will improve massively over fences.

i would love it if Willie sent Shakervillz over for this..travelled well in the stayers hurdle for a LONG TIME

is Chasing Cars likely to come over for it?

Shakepseare, they have to have 3 runs before closing which is on october 26th.

Ian Williams does have Weird Al who is 2-2 at Cheltenham, and without doubt will win big races in 2011 inc one at the festival i believe, but he has a real star in the making, a 5 year old Chaser called Invisible Man,

Ran twice for Williams, won by 13.5 lengths on debut, followed up with another 11 length win at the Galway festival. gets a huge weight allowance generally as he is only 5 racing against older horses.

Also Williams did say after Galway the horse would be packed up and brought back for the Cheltenham november meet.

If it runs, back it!

Invisible Mans form is nothing special - the conditions of the race in Galway have to be taken into consideration. Invisible Man carried 10-08 despite being rated 135, the second horse Tory Hill Lad was rated 97 carried 11-03 and was beaten 11 lengths, the third horse Banna Bay was rated 129 carried 11-00 and was beaten 13 lengths, Decoy Daddy was 4th rated 127 and beaten 15 lengths. A lot of horses were hampered at a number of fences in the race - all in all I don't think he has run to anything more than his mark of 135

michel le bon

just read on twitter  that bensalem has had a setback and is out for the start of the season minimum

Anything Twister-Davies Runs would be worth a puntat Cheltenham in October/November[;)]

see todays rp re bensalem

Just thinking does anyone fancy Nicky Henderson's Spirit River.If he takes to chasing I think he could go close if entered

yes i do.want him entered for champion chase

as a novice?? no chance