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28 May 10
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No not talking through my pocket but the way they are playing punters is a black day for them a stain indeed
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They think they can do what they like and when they like imo,take last years Derby,his horses didn't enter the parade ring until very late,very poor behaviour ,no class at all imo.[smiley:crazy]
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They are under no obligation to do anything for punters.
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Thats true they operate for their own interests only.And why should it be any different,people are very naive if they ever think otherwise.
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No worse than Jim Bolger
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Prima Donna has nailed it, the naivety of people on here thinking that trainers let alone multimillionaire breeding operations give a fiddlers about punters is astounding. It's a jungle out there....
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He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
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WITHOUT US THE GAME IS FINISHED
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Yep it is true that no one in the racing business seems to care about its customers
Remind me how racings share of the gaming market has gone down compared to other products. As long as they dont bleat about the levy when punters lose faith in the product and switch to other forms of gambling where there is more transparency |
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They didnt want a vet to look at cape blanco after dante why could there be more than the lameness a vet might have found
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good question henry, ive had my suspicions for ages
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I think it would be even more damaging for Ballydole if JM rides SNA now pr ballsup if he does
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IMO because the vet may find that injury was worse than was stated.
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Media luvvies are to scared to ask any decent questions of big stables dont want to upset them,bloody Emma Spencer wouldnt even interview Haley Turner ffs like she is irreplaceable lol
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Good thread Henry. The contempt these people have for us cannot be ignored. Jock Stein once said that football without the fans is nothing. The same would apply to horse racing.
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Henry & Zilzal I agree with you about the punters importance in financing the game but that doesn't mean the trainers/owners/breeders do, the game is tilted in their favour and always has been, that's what bugs me people acting as if this is a new thing.
With regards to the cape blanco affair, playing devils advocate here, O'Brien wasn't at the track and was unaware of how potentially serious (or not) the injury was so letting a bha vet take him for a trot on an injured leg probably didn't sound like the best idea. remember these are stallions with values in the millions and if I was an owner I would be backing the trainer every time. |
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absolutely they have all become more media freindly for one reason to keep us interested in racing like they are giving us a real insight .........how patronising...does anyone really beleive owners and trainers and jockeys dont lay horses through 3rd 4th 5th parties giving them a wage in the process,yes they are seen to be doing something to clean up racing, wow we are treated like thickos at every turn
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Terminal, its mostly my gripe the way Ballydoyle operate now. I have followed racing for around 40 years now and cant remember MVOB running his operation like they do. The most he had in the Derby was three(if i remember rightly in 1977) and i cant remember the who will run saga we have now these days from the yard.
Yep a yards loyalty must be to its patrons, but its a big operation with worldwide supporters and must realise its own importance within the racing world |
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It's such a game. The way it's presented now they have 4 potential Derby winners. Can't all be champions - most likely they will all be average.
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Agree again but for me instead of letting it piss me off I incorporate it into my betting and analysis of markets especially the antepost classics, most of what comes out of these camps is disinformation/hype in order to protect the future STUD value of the horse not to aid the ordinary punter in winning cash...
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Cape Blanco wasnt unsaddled on the track or anything nor was he mortally wounded so a little trot would surely have not made anything worse big time charlie they would have thrown the library at them if it was dandy nicholls for example
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Lets put this another way,do you think the way they behave is good for racing ?
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I agree with you but that says more about the yellowness of the BHA than the behaviour of either trainer you mention.
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i really detest coolmore, not you SOF AND OTHERS, just their empire of ruling the world,
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To be fair though nothing they've done comes close to Bolger's antics with Teofilo and New Appproach.
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I personally find it very sad that they screw this game for everything it's worth to THEM and give sweet FA back.
Not surprising given how they conduct themselves in business (just look at Mtchells and Butler most recently)but still disapointing all the same. By the time the next trainer comes in the eventually replace AOB I would dread to think what state the sport of kings will be in. The sport of paupers more like... |
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Turnip if you read my previous posts you will see that I think the game is completely distorted in their favour, I disagree with it and with some of their behaviour but I am far from shocked by it, but it isn't anything new so instead of punters pissing against the wind and directing their ire at the aforementioned culprits why aren't they attacking the authorities and system that allows them to flourish..
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Imagine what we would have been subjected to if they had Sea the Stars????? Conections had a superstar and you didn't get this hype and bull from them. 25k bet on here tday on SNA after negative publicity makes me question if the wheels have really come off.
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Ballydoyle will do whatever suits their own interests, which they're entitled to do. However, to answer TT's question, then I don't see how the way they operate is doing racing any favours. Ante post betting helps to generate interest in racing, but their shenanigans end up turning many people off getting involved. Personally I don't really care however much they arse about, I will still just back whatever I fancy, they've been chucking horses at the Derby for the last eight years without any success.
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TP,totally agree about the Authorities,bunch of gutless w a n k e r s imo,and Coolmore know it,if this was a lesser operation we were talking about do you think they would get away with it,i think not.
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what is it they're supposed to be getting away with?
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Almost too funny to post. what a load of tripe.
SNA backers talking thru their pockets. |
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zilzal1 10 May 10 16:37
That is the 64k Question, 3yos can suddenly leap forward and bridge a gap. Another question being do you trust SNA's form at his price, we still have the Dante and the Irish 2000 to go yet, and as much as i was taken by him in the RP, i have this nagging feeling that hes going to be one of those two year olds that cost people money at three. Hardly a SNA backer here |
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I'm a SNA layer actually.
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Not getting their horses in the parade ring in the Derby until the last minute,not allowing vets to look at their horses,etc,they seem to think they can do as they wish,it doesn't look good does it.
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Kev,haven't had a bet in it yet.
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Figgis - where do you have JV in your speed ratings please?
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SNA out . Loving it. Absolutely loving it purely for the anticipated financial gains
 However agree with TT. Went to Epsom last year & felt so cheated at the time when 5 horses didn't turn up. In hindsight it wasn't a bad thing to keep looking at the great STS instead |
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I have him on a good figure when winning the Criterium, Kev, the Gallinule though was a farce as far as times are concerned, as they crawled. I think some people are getting a bit carried away by what was pretty much a non event. Although, I've backed Bullet Train and that trial was also slowly run.
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Slow run debut good for JV though, maybe? Wouldn't want him throwing up a big number two weeks before the Derby imo..
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