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13 May 10 14:41
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The Poule d'Essai des Pouliches (the French equivalent of the 1000 Guineas) takes place at Longchamp on Sunday 16th May.

Trends for the past 10 years below:

AGE
Race for 3yos

BREEDING
Irish bred: 4-6-38
American bred: 3-4-21
British bred: 2-9-36
French bred: 1-1-31
UAE bred: 0-0-1
Irish and American bred horses (combined record of 7-10-59) have won 7 of the last 10 from approximately 46.5% of the total runners
Speed in a horse’s pedigree seems key with only 1 of the 10 sires having won over further than a mile.
8 of 10 winners were sired by a horse that ran in the Prix Morny (finished 62161221) (5 different sires)
6 of 10 winners were sired by a horse that finished in the first 3 in the Prix De La Salamandre (only 3 separate sires)
9 of 10 winners were sired by a horse that ran in either the French or English 2000 Guineas
Zamindar has sired 3 winners and Kingmambo has sired two winners since 2000.

RECENT/PAST FORM
8 of 10 winners won last time out
10 of 10 winners finished in the first 3 last time out
10 of 10 winners had run that season
10 of 10 winners had run in the past 35 days
6 of 10 winners had won at Longchamp (3 of 4 exceptions were having their first course start)
10 of 10 winners had had between 2 and 6 career starts
10 of 10 winners had finished in the first 4 on all career starts
6 of 10 winners had won a group or listed race (2 exceptions placed in a listed race, other 2 exceptions won their maiden last time out)
9 of 10 winners had won over 7F or 8F
9 of 10 winners were born in Jan, Feb or March

OTHER RACES
Prix De La Grotte winner (Anna Salai): 8932214112 (3-4-10)
Prix De Marcel Boussac winner (Rosanara): 851214 (2-1-6)
Prix Imprudence winner (Joanna): 2851 (1-1-4)
Prix Du Calvados winner (Joanna): 1 (1-0-1)
Prix Finlande winner (Baine): 1 (1-0-1)
Prix La Camargo winner (Liliside): 0205 (0-1-4)
Prix Miesque winner (Lixirova): 74 (0-0-2)
3 of 10 winners ran in the Prix De Marcel Boussac, finishing 112
3 of 10 winners ran in the Prix De La Grotte, finishing 111
2 of 10 winners ran in the Prix finlande, finishing 13
2 of 10 winners ran in the Prix Imprudence, finishing 31

TRAINERS
Francois Rohaut (2-1-3) has saddled 2 winners and a second from his 3 runners in this.
Alain de Royal-Dupre (2-1-6) has won this twice, with 5 of his 6 runners making the first 4. Pascal Bary (2-1-7) has also gained 2 winners and a place in the past decade.
Andre Fabre (1-2-6), Aidan O'Brien (1-2-10), Jean-Claude Rouget (1-1-5) and John Gosden (1-0-6) have all trained one winner since 2000.
Alex Pantall (0-2-6) has seen 2 of his 6 runners make the frame.
British based trainers (1-3-29) have won just 1 running of this in the past 10 years from approximately 22.8% of the runners.
Irish trained runners (1-3-14) have also gained 1 win and 3 places from less than half the number of British-trained runners.

Draw
If you omit the one running of this race with less than 10 runners the draw stats read:
Horses drawn 1 to 4: 3-9-36
Horses drawn 5 to 8: 6-2-36
Horses drawn 9 to 12: 0-6-34
Horses drawn 13 or higher: 0-1-13
All 9 winners in renewals with 10+ runners were drawn 8 or lower.

PRICE
No strong trends on the prices though 5 of the last 10 winners went off at double-figure odds.
Favourites (2-5-10) have won this just twice in the last 10 years, giving a level stakes loss of 7.38. Both winning favourites were odds-on, two other odds-on favourites have been turned over in the past decade.

SUMMARY:
Based on the trends from the past 10 years you are looking for a horse:
• American or Irish bred (sire emphasis on speed)
• Sire ran in the Morny, Salamandre and/or a 2000 Guineas
• Born in January, February or March
• Had 2 to 5 career starts and run this season
• Won a race in the past 35 days
• Never finished worse than 4th
• Won over 7F or 8F
• Course winner
• Won the Prix De La Grotte or Prix Marcel Boussac
• Trained by F Rohaut, P Bary or A de Royal-Dupre
• Drawn 8 or below

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By:
push
When: 13 May 10 14:50
Good stuff, thanks again.
By:
downallstar
When: 13 May 10 14:53
Cheers rc.
By:
redal2
When: 13 May 10 14:54
Thanks for your work racecaller.
By:
McK30wn
When: 13 May 10 21:36
where can you see the line upu, i seen it the other day on ATR but cant get it on RP, any betting on it also?  when the draw for the stalls? the horse i fancy doesnt meet half the stats but 1st for everything...
By:
jamesp
When: 14 May 10 10:25
Here is the final line-up for the Pouliches on Sunday:

1.  Lady Of The Desert (B.Meehan) 16113-3
2.  Full Steam (A.Fabre) 2-1
3.  Special Duty (C.Head-Maarek) 2121-31
4.  Rosanara (A.De Royer Dupre) 113-3
5.  Joanna (J-C.Rouget) 12113-1
6.  Liliside (F.Rohaut) 9212-111
7.  Dolled Up (R.Collet) 23113423-9
8.  Barouda (J-M.Beguigne) 311-7
9.  Ayun Tara (X.Nakkachdji) 351112-2
10. Baine (F.Rohaut) 112-11

Thoughts, comments and selection to follow.  At first glance it looks a more competitive race than the English 1000 Guineas...
By:
push
When: 14 May 10 10:40
Thought God would have run Anna Salai in this race.
By:
Graeme83
When: 14 May 10 10:40
Godolphin should have left Anna Salai over there.
By:
redal2
When: 14 May 10 10:40
1.  Lady Of The Desert (B.Meehan) 16113-3
2.  Full Steam (A.Fabre) 2-1
3.  Special Duty (C.Head-Maarek) 2121-31
4.  Rosanara (A.De Royer Dupre) 113-3
5.  Joanna (J-C.Rouget) 12113-1
6.  Liliside (F.Rohaut) 9212-111
7.  Dolled Up (R.Collet) 23113423-9
8.  Barouda (J-M.Beguigne) 311-7
9.  Ayun Tara (X.Nakkachdji) 351112-2
10. Baine (F.Rohaut) 112-11

That is a race to savour. I could make a case for 4 or 5 of them. Anyone know the going situation as some of these have form on softer ground only? I'm inclined to give Joanna my vote at the moment.
By:
Graeme83
When: 14 May 10 10:41
Typed that at the same time Push. They're taking their 4 Fabre horses and putting them over here. She will go to the Irish 1000 gs.
By:
push
When: 14 May 10 10:50
cheers, hope they dont have time to mess her up before the Irish 1000 then.
By:
humzini
When: 14 May 10 10:51
Anna Salai, Rosanara, Deluxe & Joanna all look high class fillies so should be a great race

I think Juddmonte will save Special Duty for the Coronation as they've got some decent alternatives for the Pouliches

The English Guineas also had a plethora of great prospects - but as we all know was very unsatisfactory

We'll probably have to wait till July and the Falmouth or maybe August and the Nassau to see them all lining up again with some being targeted for the Oaks and others Coronation

Oaks - Rumoush, Seta, Pollenator, Gile Na Greine,

Coronation Stakes - Music Show, Special Duty, Jacqueline Quest, Blue Maiden, Pipette,
By:
humzini
When: 14 May 10 10:53
I was obviously talking rubbish about Special Duty
By:
fuzzyone
When: 14 May 10 12:31
Joanna whooooooosh Devil
By:
Pret a Gagner
When: 14 May 10 13:40
Joanna for me.
Special Duty unplaced.

http://blog.bookies.com/horse-racing/1220/longchamp-2010-french-1000-guineas-poule-dessai-des-pouliches-betting-preview.html
By:
downallstar
When: 14 May 10 16:47
The two Francois Rohaut runners for me.
By:
jamesp
When: 14 May 10 21:43
Lady Of The Desert is well held by Special Duty on last year's Cheveley Park form and there is no obvious reason why she should reverse form (now we know that Special Duty stays a mile).  Full Steam won a moderately-run mile conditions race last time by 3 lengths, but the form is nothing special and a lot more is needed here.  Liliside is three from three this year (all on very soft or heavy ground), last time won a Listed race by a head from Zagora (who went on to land the Gr.3 Prix Vanteaux by 2½ lengths from the Prix Marcel Boussac runner-up On Verra); needs to make further improvement on faster ground against much better opposition.  Barouda won last year's Gr.3 Prix des Reservoirs and was 7th on her seasonal return in the Prix de la Grotte (held by Rosanara): plenty more is needed here.  Dolled Up is bred to get this trip but disappointed on her seasonal debut in the Prix de la Grotte (behind Rosanara) and has plenty to do to reverse last year's form with Special Duty.  Ayun Tara was a close 2nd to Barouda in last year's Prix des Reservoirs and finished runner-up to Siyaadah in the UAE 1000 Guineas: neither performance is good enough to suggest she can get competitive here.  Baine won a 9f Listed race at Longchamp (soft ground) narrowly from the exposed American Nizzy (subsequently last of five to Zagora) and needs to find about a stone on that form.

The three with the best form credentials are Special Duty, Rosanara and Joanna.  Special Duty was beaten a length by Joanna in the Prix Imprudence (soft ground) but returned to somewhere near her best form when winning the 1000 Guineas last time (well drawn); she goes particularly well on straight tracks and needs to show her versatility here over the round mile at Longchamp.  Joanna has progressed well with racing and finished her juvenile campaign with a good 3rd to Rosanara in the Gr.1 Prix Marcel Boussac; she showed that she had trained on well when winning the Prix Imprudence in good style on her seasonal return; she should be suited by the step back up to a mile.  Rosanara holds Joanna on last season's Prix Marcel Boussac form and ran an eyecatching race on her seasonal reappearance in the Prix de la Grotte (ran on well to lead inside the final furlong, no extra final 100 yards): if she needed that race and is back to her best here she will have a big chance.

A fascinating and high-class race.  It's hard to get away from the claims of the three form fillies.  If she's back to her very best, Rosanara would have particularly strong claims.  But Special Duty is a very smart filly and may reverse Prix Imprudence form with Joanna on the likely quicker ground.  If Rosanara is a significantly bigger price than Special Duty on the day, I will back Rosanara.  Otherwise I will be cheering on Special Duty, who did me a very big favour in the 1000 Guineas.
By:
mike hunt
When: 15 May 10 09:41
Barouda won last year's Gr.3 Prix des Reservoirs and was 7th on her seasonal return in the Prix de la Grotte (held by Rosanara): plenty more is needed here.

Barouda had no luck uin runnin that day under Kieran - would have gone close and will win tomorrow IMO
By:
Princesse D'Anjou
When: 15 May 10 18:29
Flo Jo will win Grin
By:
redal2
When: 15 May 10 18:43
I'm with princesse, saver on Rosanara.
By:
downallstar
When: 15 May 10 20:13
Liliside & Baine for a small interest, looks a good race.
By:
bacchanal
When: 15 May 10 21:32
Very interesting shape to the race with valid doubts about 3 of the top 4 in the market (Special Duty probably flattered by the draw at Newmarket, Rosanara turned over in the Prix de la Grotte, and Lady Of The Desert little chance of getting home).

Full Steam is a nicely bred (full sister to Zamindar & Zafonic), lightly-raced filly running for Andre Fabre. The nice prices about her with GB bookies have been mineswept today but the 16s still available may yet be worth taking.

Barouda is also too big at 20s, presumably because of her uninspiring 7th in the Grotte, but she'd surely have beaten Rosanara there if Fellon hadn't got her into all sorts of trouble on the rail. Peslier steps in tomorrow.
By:
fuzzyone
When: 15 May 10 21:34
Joanna wins imo. Silly
By:
WorkOnIt
When: 15 May 10 21:37
Agree with mike and bacchanal....Barouda far too big.

Not really a stretch to beleieve she'd have finished ahead of Rosanara last time with a clear run.
By:
jair1970
When: 15 May 10 21:50
I'm all over Rosanara here.

Unlike Special Duty, has been clearly targeted at this race.
Excellent form over CD which holds Joanna.  Clearly prepping last time out.  Dream team of Aga khan / Royer-Dupre.  Isn't Zarkava but is being campaigned the same way.

Given form lines,like others, i'd price this up with 3 vying for favouritism so astounded to see 6.2 on offer, even allowing for the obvious prejudice of this being a British betting exchange making Special Duty 2.76.

If you like Joanna (currently 5.3) or Rosanara, you're getting a good deal imo!
By:
Leatherhead
When: 15 May 10 22:43
Like an unexposed type for this. Full Steam fits the bill and is interesting at a big price.
By:
Jmr78
When: 16 May 10 00:04
Joanna wins this imo

Gl all
By:
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
When: 16 May 10 01:49
Leatherhead     15 May 10 22:43 
Like an unexposed type for this. Full Steam fits the bill and is interesting at a big price



You are not wrong. Has it evaded the pricewise kybosh?
By:
jamesp
When: 16 May 10 10:07
bacchanal 15 May 21:32
Full Steam is a nicely bred (full sister to Zamindar & Zafonic), lightly-raced filly running for Andre Fabre.


Full Steam's dam Western Appeal is a full sister to Zafonic and Zamindar (and was nothing special on the racecourse - Listed placed and finished last of 10 in a Group 3).
By:
bacchanal
When: 16 May 10 10:11
yes apologies, jp. Hopefully this offspring isn't bad, following the rave reviews of her run at Chantilly.
By:
Fran Merida
When: 16 May 10 10:31
What time is this please ?
By:
fuzzyone
When: 16 May 10 10:33
1.35
By:
Fran Merida
When: 16 May 10 10:34
1.35 pm ta.
By:
Fran Merida
When: 16 May 10 10:44
Is Rosanaras last run available to watch on ATR website ?? Cant seem to view at the mo ..
By:
Graeme83
When: 16 May 10 10:49
Rosanara & Siyouni double
By:
fuzzyone
When: 16 May 10 10:56
^^^ did that double in the trials Cry
By:
Fran Merida
When: 16 May 10 10:58
I dont think they have the frecnh racing available as it goes , just england and ireland.
By:
bacchanal
When: 16 May 10 11:10
here you are, Fran:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqLo-C1aF88
By:
redal2
When: 16 May 10 11:13
I've backed Joanna and Rosanara and also put them in doubles with D1ck Turpin and Siyouni, so hope you're right Graeme
By:
Fran Merida
When: 16 May 10 11:20
cheers bacc
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