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Advanced 21 7 - K A Ryan 102 SP SP
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00100-0 Aldermoor (USA) 41 4 - S C Williams 85 SP SP
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3114-6 Arrivederla (IRE) 10 4 - H J L Dunlop 83 SP SP
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0/15500- Big Noise 204 6 - Dr J D Scargill 90 SP SP
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35-2214 Bravo Echo 35 4 - M J Attwater 94 SP SP
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3/1233-4 Cape Rock 10 5 - W J Knight 78 SP SP
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12101-0 Captain Macarry (IRE) 42 5 - J J Quinn 89 SP SP
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10220-1 Castles In The Air 19 5 - R A Fahey 102 SP SP
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44/232-6 Cheviot (USA) 59 4 - M A Jarvis 88 SP SP
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1000-21 Crown Choice 17 5 - W R Swinburn 90 SP SP
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51101-3 Dandy Boy (ITY) 29 4 - David Marnane 92 SP SP
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00040-0 Dhaular Dhar (IRE) 42 8 - J S Goldie 88 SP SP
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2-00613 Dunelight (IRE) 21 7 - C G Cox 106 SP SP
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00-1020 Flipando (IRE) 6 9 - T D Barron 98 SP SP
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11000-0 Golden Desert (IRE) 6 6 - R A Mills 103 SP SP
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13/624-0 Greensward 10 4 - B J Meehan 80 SP SP
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1550-13 Highly Regal (IRE) 10 5 - R A Teal 85 SP SP
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4/66334- Himalya (IRE) 143 4 - J Noseda 108 SP SP
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0000-00 Huzzah (IRE) 21 5 - B W Hills 87 SP SP
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000-222 Internationaldebut (IRE) 19 5 - P T Midgley 89 SP SP
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3140-10 Irish Heartbeat (IRE) 21 5 - R A Fahey 93 SP SP
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52060-3 Kay Gee Be (IRE) 35 6 - W Jarvis 91 SP SP
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00111-1 Mabait 14 4 - L M Cumani 104 SP SP
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2/1100-0 Makaamen 21 4 - B W Hills 95 SP SP
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10001-0 Manassas (IRE) 21 5 - B J Meehan 100 SP SP
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5100-02 Marajaa (IRE) 21 8 - W J Musson 92 SP SP
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33304-0 Mirrored 7 4 - D Nicholls 99 SP SP
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52-1412 New Leyf (IRE) 17 4 - J R Gask 87 SP SP
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20-6653 Noble Citizen (USA) 8 5 - D M Simcock 89 SP SP
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60204-3 One Way Or Another (AUS) 41 7 - J R Gask 92 SP SP
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33025-5 Opus Maximus (IRE) 21 5 - M Johnston 85 SP SP
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120/00-3 Oratory (IRE) 21 4 - R Hannon 91 SP SP
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4132-62 Prime Exhibit 42 5 - R A Fahey 96 SP SP
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004300 Rileyskeepingfaith 6 4 - M R Channon 100 SP SP
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123311- Santefisio 231 4 - P J Makin 83 SP SP
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522006- Signor Peltro 208 7 - H Candy 98 SP SP
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11R402- Spectait 281 8 - Jonjo O'Neill 95 SP SP
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4624-11 Spirit of Sharjah (IRE) 14 5 - Miss J Feilden 102 SP SP
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63440-1 Spitfire 37 5 - J R Jenkins 90 SP SP
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5/2130-1 Splendorinthegrass (IRE) 18 4 - D R Lanigan 98 SP SP
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115- St Moritz (IRE) 384 4 - M Johnston 93 SP SP
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11120-1 Street Power (USA) 22 5 - J R Gask 87 SP SP
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110210- Suruor (IRE) 238 4 - D M Simcock 98 SP SP
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612041 Thebes 8 5 - M Johnston 92 SP SP
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21006-0 Titan Triumph 8 6 - W J Knight 92 SP SP
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21110-0 Wannabe King 21 4 - D R Lanigan 103
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00100-0 Aldermoor (USA) 41 4 - S C Williams 85 SP SP
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3114-6 Arrivederla (IRE) 10 4 - H J L Dunlop 83 SP SP
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0/15500- Big Noise 204 6 - Dr J D Scargill 90 SP SP
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35-2214 Bravo Echo 35 4 - M J Attwater 94 SP SP
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3/1233-4 Cape Rock 10 5 - W J Knight 78 SP SP
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12101-0 Captain Macarry (IRE) 42 5 - J J Quinn 89 SP SP
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10220-1 Castles In The Air 19 5 - R A Fahey 102 SP SP
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44/232-6 Cheviot (USA) 59 4 - M A Jarvis 88 SP SP
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1000-21 Crown Choice 17 5 - W R Swinburn 90 SP SP
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51101-3 Dandy Boy (ITY) 29 4 - David Marnane 92 SP SP
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00040-0 Dhaular Dhar (IRE) 42 8 - J S Goldie 88 SP SP
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2-00613 Dunelight (IRE) 21 7 - C G Cox 106 SP SP
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00-1020 Flipando (IRE) 6 9 - T D Barron 98 SP SP
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11000-0 Golden Desert (IRE) 6 6 - R A Mills 103 SP SP
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13/624-0 Greensward 10 4 - B J Meehan 80 SP SP
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1550-13 Highly Regal (IRE) 10 5 - R A Teal 85 SP SP
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4/66334- Himalya (IRE) 143 4 - J Noseda 108 SP SP
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0000-00 Huzzah (IRE) 21 5 - B W Hills 87 SP SP
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000-222 Internationaldebut (IRE) 19 5 - P T Midgley 89 SP SP
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3140-10 Irish Heartbeat (IRE) 21 5 - R A Fahey 93 SP SP
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52060-3 Kay Gee Be (IRE) 35 6 - W Jarvis 91 SP SP
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00111-1 Mabait 14 4 - L M Cumani 104 SP SP
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2/1100-0 Makaamen 21 4 - B W Hills 95 SP SP
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10001-0 Manassas (IRE) 21 5 - B J Meehan 100 SP SP
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5100-02 Marajaa (IRE) 21 8 - W J Musson 92 SP SP
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33304-0 Mirrored 7 4 - D Nicholls 99 SP SP
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52-1412 New Leyf (IRE) 17 4 - J R Gask 87 SP SP
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20-6653 Noble Citizen (USA) 8 5 - D M Simcock 89 SP SP
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60204-3 One Way Or Another (AUS) 41 7 - J R Gask 92 SP SP
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33025-5 Opus Maximus (IRE) 21 5 - M Johnston 85 SP SP
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120/00-3 Oratory (IRE) 21 4 - R Hannon 91 SP SP
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4132-62 Prime Exhibit 42 5 - R A Fahey 96 SP SP
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004300 Rileyskeepingfaith 6 4 - M R Channon 100 SP SP
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123311- Santefisio 231 4 - P J Makin 83 SP SP
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522006- Signor Peltro 208 7 - H Candy 98 SP SP
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11R402- Spectait 281 8 - Jonjo O'Neill 95 SP SP
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4624-11 Spirit of Sharjah (IRE) 14 5 - Miss J Feilden 102 SP SP
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63440-1 Spitfire 37 5 - J R Jenkins 90 SP SP
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5/2130-1 Splendorinthegrass (IRE) 18 4 - D R Lanigan 98 SP SP
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115- St Moritz (IRE) 384 4 - M Johnston 93 SP SP
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11120-1 Street Power (USA) 22 5 - J R Gask 87 SP SP
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110210- Suruor (IRE) 238 4 - D M Simcock 98 SP SP
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612041 Thebes 8 5 - M Johnston 92 SP SP
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21006-0 Titan Triumph 8 6 - W J Knight 92 SP SP
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21110-0 Wannabe King 21 4 - D R Lanigan 103
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Where's this T0TE betting they reckon they've priced up..?
totesport Victoria Cup sponsors bet: 5 Mabait, 10 Castles In The Air, 12 Prime Exhibit, 14 Irish Heartbeat, 16 Big Noise, Himalya, Kay Gee Be, Oratory, Spirit Of Shajah, Suruor, Thebes, 20 Advanced, Arrivederla, Cheviot, Crown Choice, Dhaular Dhar, Dunelight, Makaamen, Marajaa, One Way Or Another, Signor Peltro, Splendorinthegrass, Street Power, Wannabe King, 25 Bravo Echo, Flipando, Highly Regal, Huzzah, Internationaldebut, Manassas, New Leyf, Santefisio, Spectait, Spitfire, Titan Triumph, 33 Aldermoor, Cape Rock, Captain Macarry, Golden Desert, Greensward, Mirrored, Noble Citizen, Opus Maximus, Rileyskeepingfaith.
going to back one horse every 5 stalls so i have the draw covered
Where'd ya find that? Been checking their website still not showing.
Got a couple in mind,keepin schtum at the mo though ;\
http://www.racingbase.com/category/Racing-News/Victoria-Cup-and-Swinton-Hand...
This favourite is going to start ridiculously short... :|
Going to wait and see what the other books have to say,and betfair more to the point,defo got one in this.
tt has only one live bullet left for the remainder of the flat season so needs to trend carefully :^0
Going to wait and see what the other books have to say,and betfair more to the point,defo got one in this.
You may be disappointed
You may be disappointed
Trends for the past 10 runnings (1999-2009):
AGE (Win-Place-Runners)
4yo: 6-11-92
5yo: 3-10-69
6yo: 1-6-37
7yo+: 0-3-32
9 of 10 winners were aged 4 or 5
4yos have won 6 of the last 10 runnings from just 40% of the total runners.
Horses aged 6+ have managed just 1 win and 9 places from 69 runners in the past 10 years. Advice is to stick with the younger horses.
WEIGHT (Win-Place-Runners)
Horses carrying 9-0 or more: 2-16-94
Horses carrying 8-7 to 8-13: 6-8-72
Horses carrying 8-6 or less: 2-6-64
6 of 10 winners carried 8-7 to 8-13 and they represented just 31.3% of the runners.
OFFICIAL RATINGS
Horses rated 97 to 109: 1-9-48
Horses rated 84 to 96: 7-17-148
Horses rated 71 to 83: 2-4-34
5 of the last 6 winners have been officially rated between 90 and 99. That range has also accounted for the 20 of the 24 places in the last 6 years.
RECENT/PAST FORM
9 of 10 winners had won over 7F+
8 of 10 winners had run in past 40 days
7 of 10 winners ran in a class 2 or higher last time
7 of 10 winners won a race worth 9K+
6 of 10 winners won at class 3 or higher
TRAINERS
David Barron (1-2-4) has found and Michael Jarvis (1-2-5) have both gained a win and 2 places from not many runners in this past 10 runnings.
Brian Meehan (1-0-4), Barry Hills (1-0-12) and Dandy Nicholls (1-0-13) have each trained the winner in the past 10 years.
Ed Dunlop (0-2-6) and John Akehurst (0-2-7) have each filled a couple of places in the past decade.
DRAW (ignore 2005 race at Lingfield)
Horses drawn 1 to 9: 1-12-81
Horses drawn 10 to 20: 6-12-97
Horses drawn 21 or higher: 2-3-34
6 of the last 7 runnings of this race at Ascot have been won by a horse drawn in stalls 10 to 16.
PRICE
5 of 10 winners were priced 14/1 to 33/1
No very strong trend on prices with 5 of the last 10 coming from the first 5 in the betting and then the other 5 were priced 14/1 or bigger.
Favourites (3-3-12) have gained 3 wins in the past ten years, giving a level stakes profit of 2.75.
SUMMARY:
Based on the trends from the past 10 runnings you are looking for a horse:
· Aged 4 or 5
· Carrying 8-7 to 8-13
· Officially rated 90 to 99
· Won over 7F+
· Ran a class 2 or higher last time out
· Run in past 40 days
· Drawn 10 to 16
· Trained by Michael Jarvis or David Barron
AGE (Win-Place-Runners)
4yo: 6-11-92
5yo: 3-10-69
6yo: 1-6-37
7yo+: 0-3-32
9 of 10 winners were aged 4 or 5
4yos have won 6 of the last 10 runnings from just 40% of the total runners.
Horses aged 6+ have managed just 1 win and 9 places from 69 runners in the past 10 years. Advice is to stick with the younger horses.
WEIGHT (Win-Place-Runners)
Horses carrying 9-0 or more: 2-16-94
Horses carrying 8-7 to 8-13: 6-8-72
Horses carrying 8-6 or less: 2-6-64
6 of 10 winners carried 8-7 to 8-13 and they represented just 31.3% of the runners.
OFFICIAL RATINGS
Horses rated 97 to 109: 1-9-48
Horses rated 84 to 96: 7-17-148
Horses rated 71 to 83: 2-4-34
5 of the last 6 winners have been officially rated between 90 and 99. That range has also accounted for the 20 of the 24 places in the last 6 years.
RECENT/PAST FORM
9 of 10 winners had won over 7F+
8 of 10 winners had run in past 40 days
7 of 10 winners ran in a class 2 or higher last time
7 of 10 winners won a race worth 9K+
6 of 10 winners won at class 3 or higher
TRAINERS
David Barron (1-2-4) has found and Michael Jarvis (1-2-5) have both gained a win and 2 places from not many runners in this past 10 runnings.
Brian Meehan (1-0-4), Barry Hills (1-0-12) and Dandy Nicholls (1-0-13) have each trained the winner in the past 10 years.
Ed Dunlop (0-2-6) and John Akehurst (0-2-7) have each filled a couple of places in the past decade.
DRAW (ignore 2005 race at Lingfield)
Horses drawn 1 to 9: 1-12-81
Horses drawn 10 to 20: 6-12-97
Horses drawn 21 or higher: 2-3-34
6 of the last 7 runnings of this race at Ascot have been won by a horse drawn in stalls 10 to 16.
PRICE
5 of 10 winners were priced 14/1 to 33/1
No very strong trend on prices with 5 of the last 10 coming from the first 5 in the betting and then the other 5 were priced 14/1 or bigger.
Favourites (3-3-12) have gained 3 wins in the past ten years, giving a level stakes profit of 2.75.
SUMMARY:
Based on the trends from the past 10 runnings you are looking for a horse:
· Aged 4 or 5
· Carrying 8-7 to 8-13
· Officially rated 90 to 99
· Won over 7F+
· Ran a class 2 or higher last time out
· Run in past 40 days
· Drawn 10 to 16
· Trained by Michael Jarvis or David Barron
This isn't very interesting is it?
Have it between the Fahey pair and the favourite.
Anybody want to make up my mind?
Have it between the Fahey pair and the favourite.
Anybody want to make up my mind?
I like Mabait. He's the one i'm thinking of for this race, but i'll need to check other horses out a bit more.
Just noticed he's favourite, so not much of a pick. Does anyone know if he will run ?
Few e.w quid on Brave Echo @ 40's and 33's.
Always thought he was a decent horse who wanted a (very) fast run uphill 7f (like i'd seen him win over at Leicester as a 2 yr old).Good ground would be fine or a bit softer rather than firmer.
God knows who'll handle the ground on the day or where the best draw is so happy to risk a smallish bet at a huge price just in case the Ascot lottery falls my horses way.
Always thought he was a decent horse who wanted a (very) fast run uphill 7f (like i'd seen him win over at Leicester as a 2 yr old).Good ground would be fine or a bit softer rather than firmer.
God knows who'll handle the ground on the day or where the best draw is so happy to risk a smallish bet at a huge price just in case the Ascot lottery falls my horses way.
Great stuff racecaller, Makaamen and Oratory hit on every requirement.
Brave Echo, Thebes and Noble Citizen only let down by the draw.
Brave Echo, Thebes and Noble Citizen only let down by the draw.
Prime Exhibit seems sure to go well but isn't much of a price. One Way Or Another is another I like. Thebes and Noble Citizen are closely matched on their last run so Noble Citizen looks appealing at the prices.
Spent a couple of hours looking through this earlier and think I might have found one that's a bit of value in Makaamen.
Trends wise he's a good fit;
4yo
8-13
OR93
Won over 7f
Class 2 lto
Last run 21 days ago
Drawn 13
One of, if not the, least exposed in the field he lost his way slightly towards the end of last year after making a very promising start. Debut 2nd behind Evasive with the now 98 rated Infiraad in 3rd as the stables second string on the day reads pretty well. Followed up with a comfortable success when odds on in his maiden the following year. First time in handicap company he won off a mark of 90, by over a length, giving 6lb to the now 103 rated 2nd Wannabe King and 3lb to the 102 rated Fareer.
After that he disapointed in heavy ground at Haydock in May before being off for 5 months and coming back and disapointing again at York. His season ended there but he returned last month in the Spring Cup at Newbury which turned into a very messy race and he got no sort of run at all. He was keen at the start of the race and then for the entire second half he had no room at all and Richard Hills was very easy on him throughout as he was never in the race. Just the outing will have brought him on though and the handicapper has also dropped him 2lb for it. Tadhg O'Shea riding this time who won on him in the handicap last year.
A lot of exposed and/or average sorts in this but maybe Makaamen is won of few who potentially has a lot of improvement left in him.
25/1 at the moment best odds guarenteed.
Savers on Fahey's two and the fav'.
GL
Trends wise he's a good fit;
4yo
8-13
OR93
Won over 7f
Class 2 lto
Last run 21 days ago
Drawn 13
One of, if not the, least exposed in the field he lost his way slightly towards the end of last year after making a very promising start. Debut 2nd behind Evasive with the now 98 rated Infiraad in 3rd as the stables second string on the day reads pretty well. Followed up with a comfortable success when odds on in his maiden the following year. First time in handicap company he won off a mark of 90, by over a length, giving 6lb to the now 103 rated 2nd Wannabe King and 3lb to the 102 rated Fareer.
After that he disapointed in heavy ground at Haydock in May before being off for 5 months and coming back and disapointing again at York. His season ended there but he returned last month in the Spring Cup at Newbury which turned into a very messy race and he got no sort of run at all. He was keen at the start of the race and then for the entire second half he had no room at all and Richard Hills was very easy on him throughout as he was never in the race. Just the outing will have brought him on though and the handicapper has also dropped him 2lb for it. Tadhg O'Shea riding this time who won on him in the handicap last year.
A lot of exposed and/or average sorts in this but maybe Makaamen is won of few who potentially has a lot of improvement left in him.
25/1 at the moment best odds guarenteed.
Savers on Fahey's two and the fav'.
GL
I can see your angle on Makaamen benjy, he is on my shortlist. I have backed Mabait and Dhaular Dhar at 6 and 33 with Billys. I started the season with Mabait as one of my follow till it loses horses and though I hate myself for taking 6s in a race like this I'd hate myself if it won unsupported. As for DD well it has the history, seems well enough in and a reasonable enough draw. Added to my current love affair with the yard that persuaded me despite the age angle.
Wasn't somebody else really keen on Makaamen? But the post seems to have been lost in the forum switchover.
25/1, 5 places, NRNB at b365 btw.
25/1, 5 places, NRNB at b365 btw.
Signing in another Makaamen fan. Form red hot from newbury last year and didn't get a run at all last time when seemed to be going very well.
yeah i'm in for makka...was top trends fit and benjy made a nice case above..thats me done betting on this now though.
mabait 6/1
signor peltro e/w 20s
makka e/w 25/1 5 pl bs.
orator 12/1.
mabait 6/1
signor peltro e/w 20s
makka e/w 25/1 5 pl bs.
orator 12/1.
plat..always room for 1 more if i like what chew gota say 
is it huzzah by any chance...noticed last yr he took 2 runs before his big run behind forgotten t.@ ascot...now 9lbs lower iirc..
is it huzzah by any chance...noticed last yr he took 2 runs before his big run behind forgotten t.@ ascot...now 9lbs lower iirc..
Short list of 3 for me -
Manassas
Dandy Boy
Makaamen
Also like the fav, but is short enough and has a lot of weight, but could be chucked in.
And KGB, might add a saver?
Manassas
Dandy Boy
Makaamen
Also like the fav, but is short enough and has a lot of weight, but could be chucked in.
And KGB, might add a saver?
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER for me, 20-1 a fair price an can see this one running well in a wide open race.
Few things to add to the stats:
- There has NEVER been a winner rated higher than 99
- No winner has been older than six in the last 25 years
- 14/15(@Ascot) have had a double-figure draw
- 10/10 No more than 2 runs that season
- 8/10 had w/pl in a field of 17+ runners
- There has NEVER been a winner rated higher than 99
- No winner has been older than six in the last 25 years
- 14/15(@Ascot) have had a double-figure draw
- 10/10 No more than 2 runs that season
- 8/10 had w/pl in a field of 17+ runners
Aye Nibb, Oratory/Street Power best trends fits imo
Splendorinthegrass (over 9st which is not ideal) & Makaamen have won in 16-runner fields
Splendorinthegrass (over 9st which is not ideal) & Makaamen have won in 16-runner fields
my only doubt street power...was distance...was he only 7f win @ kemp??
had him down as more of a 6f hoss?
had him down as more of a 6f hoss?
Makaamen for me and once last chance for Huzzah as well. Maybe a Barry Hills f/c.
how long before the market wakes up for this race?
at least 2 bookies offer 6/1 on the fav
only 11/2 on here !!!!
at least 2 bookies offer 6/1 on the fav
only 11/2 on here !!!!
I've changed my mind and gone for Advanced. Doesn't fit the age/weight trends but stuff trends. He goes well in these big field races and 7f is his trip these days I reckon, 25/1 looks a good price to me, gl all.
Gone off Crown Choice, Splendorinthegrass stands out to me now
Dunelight, Advanced, Thebes and Noble Citzen all drawn nearby usually like to be there or thereabouts with the leaders, so there should be some pace up that side of the track.
Pretty consistent horse who won lto and a mark of 98 looks more than fair to me, looks pretty unexposed imv.
4 and 5 year olds are what usually win this race iirc
Decent price, worth a pop imv
Dunelight, Advanced, Thebes and Noble Citzen all drawn nearby usually like to be there or thereabouts with the leaders, so there should be some pace up that side of the track.
Pretty consistent horse who won lto and a mark of 98 looks more than fair to me, looks pretty unexposed imv.
4 and 5 year olds are what usually win this race iirc
Decent price, worth a pop imv
Interesting, could the pace angle be negated by them all coming up the middle, which they should by the looks of the going stick
Are you taking Chris Stickels analysis of the going on the track as gospel please? 
nah, like SITG now obv but prob have to cover on Crown Choice having flagged him up very early.
Decent racing all round tomorrow, may well be off to Haddock yet
Decent racing all round tomorrow, may well be off to Haddock yet
Never been to Haydock, don't they get a lot of ar$es there?
Loads on but all handicaps, and hard ones at that!
Loads on but all handicaps, and hard ones at that!
Hadn't noticed this thread. Big noise, won first time up last season, has gone well in bigish fields, back to 1lb above last win backed ew. Also backed Dandy boy, trainer doesn't bring too many over and he did me a favour at the leger meeting last year with santo padre, this horse is lightly raced and looked progressive last year, had a sharpener already. One final dart on makaamen ew.
One way Or Another for me, unlucky last time over a distance too short (has won over 10f in Aus).
Top of my ratings on his 2nd over a straight 7f last year at Newmarket, will probably be well backed for this as he was then.
Jeremey Gask comes from Australia (where the prize money is a lot better than here) and took the trouble to bring this horse over here.
The draw could be good or bad, we'll see but at 20/1 or so he must be thereabouts and I don't think the favorite has improved over 10lbs on his 14th run as a 4yo so he's a lay to me.
Good luck if you back it.
Top of my ratings on his 2nd over a straight 7f last year at Newmarket, will probably be well backed for this as he was then.
Jeremey Gask comes from Australia (where the prize money is a lot better than here) and took the trouble to bring this horse over here.
The draw could be good or bad, we'll see but at 20/1 or so he must be thereabouts and I don't think the favorite has improved over 10lbs on his 14th run as a 4yo so he's a lay to me.
Good luck if you back it.
its arsecot so small stakes titan triumph for me all the unlikely premise he isnt a turf horse but this isnt really a turf track anymore 90 is a fair mark now and the re appearance run last at lingers was better than it appeared.
also forecasting and tricasting the all weather runners in here
also forecasting and tricasting the all weather runners in here
absolute minefield with draw /pace bias to rule.
Unfortunately it will be after the event B4 we find out.
If Mabait has draw & pace in his favour then only 1 winner imo.
Unfortunately it will be after the event B4 we find out.
If Mabait has draw & pace in his favour then only 1 winner imo.
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